Tannehill versus Wilson: Did we draft the right quarterback?

[PeterNorth]

Let's not forget the most important stat in the debate:

RT - 1
RW - 0

That is by far the least important stat in the debate. Yes, Tannehill's TEAM is 1-0 versus Wilson's TEAM. Yes, Tannehill played well in that game, especially on the winning drive. However, the Dolphins were incredibly fortunate to even be in a position to win due to the ridiculous personal foul called on Earl Thomas.

How in the hell can anyone seriously believe a single victory can prove anything in the first place, though? It's one of the most mindnumbingly absurd things I've read-sadly by more than a few people in this thread. It is ludicrous even by Finheaven standards.

Thad Lewis, of all people, is 1-0 against Tannehill. Is he a better quarterback?

Come on, people. Use at least a tiny bit of common sense.

 

[jason_taylor]

Why shouldn't we be comparing anything? Isn't that how you judge a team's general manager and scouting department, By looking at the players that they chose, the players they didn't choose and how those players actually worked out? Russell Wilson will most likely be playing in the NFC championship game and possibly in the Super Bowl. Dolphin fans will be ecstatic if Ryan Tannehill gets us to a wild card game. Why isn't it fair at some point to make that comparison?

So let me ask you something ? say Wilson takes Seattle to the Super Bowel and wins it , Are you going to say that Wilson is a better QB than Dan Marino ? Look bro it takes more than Just a good QB , Yeah it starts with that , But you have got to have a good running game Seattle has that , you have got to have good WRs Yeah Seattle has that to ,and defence ? oh yeah he has that very much , and MOST IMPORTANT Seattle has GOT TO Protect Wilson and give him time to make his throws , and yeah they do have that , so IMO Seattle has a complete Team While Tannehill is still putting his Team together as he gose But its coming along , Tannehill will be a great QB when all is said and done BUT it takes more than just a great QB you have got to have the tools it takes to be great , and as of righ now Miami is still putting all the peices together , were not there yet but we are close ,, very close and when we get our OL fixed and Tannehill gets a little more polished Teams better look out because Tannehill will be in the Talks with play offs for the next few years .

 

[roy_miami]

That is by far the least important stat in the debate. Yes, Tannehill's TEAM is 1-0 versus Wilson's TEAM. Yes, Tannehill played well in that game, especially on the winning drive. However, the Dolphins were incredibly fortunate to even be in a position to win due to the ridiculous personal foul called on Earl Thomas.

How in the hell can anyone seriously believe a single victory can prove anything in the first place, though? It's one of the most mindnumbingly absurd things I've read-sadly by more than a few people in this thread. It is ludicrous even by Finheaven standards.

Thad Lewis, of all people, is 1-0 against Tannehill. Is he a better quarterback?

Come on, people. Use at least a tiny bit of common sense.

Geno is 1-0 vs Drew Brees too.

 

[Shouright]

Geno is 1-0 vs Drew Brees too.

And somewhere, out there, there's an extremely poor quarterback who managed to be 1-0 against Joe Montana, and another one who managed to be 1-0 against Dan Marino.

 

[LANGER72]

Seattle is clicking with the better ground game and better defense. Arguably a better head coach too. Wilson fits perfectly into what they do.
Miami was changing to a different scheme on offense and defense with many personnel changes and a rookie head coach.
You cannot compare the drafting of either QB at this point. You have to wait 10 years, then look back.

 

[shoveyjoe2442]

Tannehill's YPA is also affected by the lack if running game and the fact that he is throwing it 40 times a game right?

 

[ChambersWI]

Sheesh I'm surprised there isn't a Nick Foles thread yet.

Let me put it to everybody this way, if you actually saw Wilson play in college you knew he had the talent to be an NFL QB he was just really short. Same thing (combined with Wanny's stupidity) caused Drew Brees to fall to the second round. If Wilson was 6'2, IMO he would have been picked number 2 in the draft and I honestly feel that he would've given Andrew Luck a run for number 1 overall pick.

But honest question, why must we compare Ryan Tannehill to every damn QB in his draft class when the 2 having the best seasons were 3rd round picks? Why must everybody now all of a sudden want Ryan Tannehill to be a failure? Why must we look at QBs in other systems and say "we ****ed up"? Why can't we be happy that Tannehill is having a very solid season? Has he made mistakes? Of course. Does he have things he still needs to work on? Yep. Do some deflect criticism away from him? Yes. As he improved? Yes.

You know what I saw about Wilson? Good for him, I hope he has a great career and shows everybody who said he was too short that they were wrong about him.

Do I think we made a mistake in drafting Ryan Tannehill? Nope. I hope he continues to improve and I hope we continue to add pieces around him.

 

[MD]

That is by far the least important stat in the debate. Yes, Tannehill's TEAM is 1-0 versus Wilson's TEAM. Yes, Tannehill played well in that game, especially on the winning drive. However, the Dolphins were incredibly fortunate to even be in a position to win due to the ridiculous personal foul called on Earl Thomas.

How in the hell can anyone seriously believe a single victory can prove anything in the first place, though? It's one of the most mindnumbingly absurd things I've read-sadly by more than a few people in this thread. It is ludicrous even by Finheaven standards.

Thad Lewis, of all people, is 1-0 against Tannehill. Is he a better quarterback?

Come on, people. Use at least a tiny bit of common sense.

Clearly you miss the cynicism of the post. Statistics can be a valuable tool when used correctly. Day after day I see stats used as a know all end all where there is subjective influence unaccounted for. The 1-0 won/loss is a representation of how skewed numbers can be.

 

[MD]

And somewhere, out there, there's an extremely poor quarterback who managed to be 1-0 against Joe Montana, and another one who managed to be 1-0 against Dan Marino.

In other words numbers don't always accurately portrait the story.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

tannehill's performance is independent of running game variables. They have nothing to do with each other.

wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. A thousand times wrong.

 

[iambanned]

This central question is ridiculous. Of course we drafted the wrong guy, but so did everyone else until the 3rd round, after Seattle paid Matt Flynn a ton of money. Seattle just got lucky. Wilson might be in the top 5 in the league in terms of just being a winner. He has all the intangibles that scouts always overlook. If Tannehill had his brains and guts, he'd be the best ever ever ever ever...

Even though Tanny is a box of rocks his physical ability still allows him to hang in there and make some plays.

We're still hoping he can learn things most people believe to be innate. Hey, at least his curve is better than Alex Smith. That guy only took 5 years just to be serviceable. Tanny's in year 2 and I'd already take him over Smith if I needed a game won today.

 

[nyjunc]

Wilson came into the league a lot more polished and more experienced at the QB position. So this discussion will always be slanted in Wilson's favor, after 1.75 NFL seasons under their belts.

Ryan came into the league running his college system which was a huge advantage for him.

Maybe some day Ryan can get into this discussion but after 2 years it's obviously a slam dunk for Wilson. I know he has Marshawn Lynch which is a huge weapon but their OL isn't very good either and he saves a lot of sacks.

 

[FinHopeful]

Why shouldn't we be comparing anything? Isn't that how you judge a team's general manager and scouting department, By looking at the players that they chose, the players they didn't choose and how those players actually worked out? Russell Wilson will most likely be playing in the NFC championship game and possibly in the Super Bowl. Dolphin fans will be ecstatic if Ryan Tannehill gets us to a wild card game. Why isn't it fair at some point to make that comparison?

You judge decisions based upon knowledge at the time. Success after the decision can be used to validate whether the collection of information for the decision and the strategy behind the decision was sound. Even if Wilson was 28-0 as a starter, it would not allow you to judge the draft without laying out the context of the decision.

Here is the speculative case for a quick case for Wilson. He fits the mould of a QB that can run a read option style offense. He has very good experience during college. He looks like he can make all the throws. He demonstrates the maturity, leadership, and intelligence that all NFL teams covet.

The evaluation is that the results show we were correct about his maturity and mental make up. The strategy for how to employ him is successful. The way he wins validates all of our evaluation. Good pick and more importantly ... Great validation of the procedure used by the Seahawks.

 

[Phinatic8u]

This central question is ridiculous. Of course we drafted the wrong guy, but so did everyone else until the 3rd round, after Seattle paid Matt Flynn a ton of money. Seattle just got lucky. Wilson might be in the top 5 in the league in terms of just being a winner. He has all the intangibles that scouts always overlook. If Tannehill had his brains and guts, he'd be the best ever ever ever ever...

Even though Tanny is a box of rocks his physical ability still allows him to hang in there and make some plays.

We're still hoping he can learn things most people believe to be innate. Hey, at least his curve is better than Alex Smith. That guy only took 5 years just to be serviceable. Tanny's in year 2 and I'd already take him over Smith if I needed a game won today.

Tannehill is far from a box of rocks.

 

[cleezy13]

Wilson came in with a superbowl ready team built around him which makes him look waaaaaayyyy better than he really is and I'm not saying he's bad at all but put him on Mia his first and 2nd years and he's not even talked about unless its about him being a bad pick. He reminds me of Roethlisberger who also came in to a superbowl ready team and has always had great WR at his disposal as well as a ridiculous D to carry him but really he's overrated cause he never wins when his D doesn't carry him but he's considered Elite because of 2 Superbowls that he a 100% shouldn't of won....The dude got a Superbowl win with the worst qb rating in the history of the Superbowl which I think it was like 13.2 or something but the point is he still gets a win now that's unreal!! His other one was James Harrison pk 6 at half to seal that game against cards or the Steelers def lose cause he got completely outplayed by warner, 9/10 times there losing that game....There's no diff with Wilson he can have bad games and still get wins cause his team around him and now he looks like a stud but really how hard is it when you have a team that has every piece to the puzzle already in place, Wilson and Pig Pen have had the easiest transition in the NFL out of anyone by a mile and to me that's hollow cause really there not as good as advertised......Another example would be Luck as soon as he loses his main wr he sucks well that's cause Wayne saved his ass on many throws and made him look better than he is and its not like he doesn't have other weapons/good oline/seam threat TE/pretty good D but he looks completely diff.

Tanny on the other hand has had the worst transition and is still putting up good numbers and that's with the worst O-Line and Running game in the league put him on Sea or those Pitt teams ben had for his whole career and even Indy and he's prob breaking records or at least doing every bit of what those 3 did if not better, which is why he will be the best out of this whole class. What he's doing is pretty amazing considering 17 tot college starts and transitioning to a team that's rebuilding and giving him no weapons the first year and then the putrid oline for 2nd year (which is way worse than having no weapons)...Yes he's had his moments but damn look at what he has to deal with the guy cant even get comfortable in the pocket cause he knows he has to get rid of it faster than any other QB and that's why your seeing timing issues on the Deep ball its not cause he cant throw it, its cause he doesn't have the confidence in knowing if he stays strong in the pocket and can really step into his throws with balance ect like he did his first year with a average at best WR core when he completed 40% of his deep balls oh and one other thing he lost his go to guy in Gibson as well as Keller who would have helped immensely (even though clay has been a pleasant surprise) ......That's why I get so annoyed at people who are quick to bash him just look at what the 2nd year QB has to deal with its insane.