Tannehill versus Wilson: Did we draft the right quarterback?

[iambanned]

Hey, you can get into discussions about the differences in the teams as a whole, but Tannehill has flat-out left plays on the field with under-throws, lack of pocket-awareness, bad choices on audibles, etc. Wilson passes the eye-test better too.
Slam Sherman all you want but we've all seen Tannehill just flat-out miss passes that should've been TDs. We fail to score points cuz guys just fail to make the plays that are there to be made.

You can throw numbers all you want, but the answer is on film. That first half was a snapshot of Tanny coming up short.

 

[cleezy13]

Hey, you can get into discussions about the differences in the teams as a whole, but Tannehill has flat-out left plays on the field with under-throws, lack of pocket-awareness, bad choices on audibles, etc. Wilson passes the eye-test better too.
Slam Sherman all you want but we've all seen Tannehill just flat-out miss passes that should've been TDs. We fail to score points cuz guys just fail to make the plays that are there to be made.

You can throw numbers all you want, but the answer is on film. That first half was a snapshot of Tanny coming up short.

Yeah but again what you don't realize is Wilson is comfortable back there has all day to throw and has a ridiculous running game to open it up, if you take that away Wilson will look like a completely diff player your so called eye test isn't factoring in a O-line that couldn't block a Highschool team and has absolutely no running game...Your not comparing apples to apples esp when the line is the single most imp thing to any QB and a bad line can affect you in so many ways (If you've never played QB you wouldn't understand)....Look at David Carr his career was ruined cause of his O-Line dude never had a chance to show what he could do then he's labeled a bust when really if you put him behind a decent Oline he starts getting into a rhythm his confidence is at a high level he's taking more chances, and getting his timing down with his wr ect and obv a running game to set up play action (Wilsons bread and butter) all that is huge if you want to talk about eye tests and not saying Carr wouldnt have been a stud but I guarantee you he would have been labeled a complete bust with a decent line.

 

[Vaark]

Ryan came into the league running his college system which was a huge advantage for him.

Maybe some day Ryan can get into this discussion but after 2 years it's obviously a slam dunk for Wilson. I know he has Marshawn Lynch which is a huge weapon but their OL isn't very good either and he saves a lot of sacks.

And even now, as a top 6 QB in the league this season - if not higher, is light-years ahead of Sanchez on his best day. He'll actually earn his way into a second playoff season. As far as Tannehill, he's just scratching the surface unlike The Buttfumbler who proved he's hit his ceiling by throwing into triple coverage and missing wide open men in his 3rd and 4th seasons.

Yet another reason why the guy who drafted Ducasse, stood pat with The Buttfumbler... and traded a 4th/ exchanged a 6th for Tebow and paid him a few $mil should have been kicked to the curb sooner

One member of the Jets' front office was high on Seahawks' Russell Wilson coming into April’s NFL Draft.

Senior Personnel Executive Terry Bradway championed the former Wisconsin quarterback's cause, defensive coordinator Mike Pettine said today. It earned Wilson the nickname of “Russell Bradway” around the organization.

 

[Mr. Day]

Russell Wilson's numbers would look a lot different behind this crappy offensive line and would have won less with this Swiss cheese defense.

 

[Shouright]

In other words numbers don't always accurately portrait the story.

Well first the numbers have to mean something.

You trust your thermometer to tell you your temperature because the numbers on a thermometer mean something. In other words, statistical measures need to be shown to validly measure something before they can be used to indicate or represent that something.

Just because some numbers are meaningless doesn't mean they all are.

 

[Shouright]

wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. A thousand times wrong.

Well now that you put it that way....

 

[nyjunc]

Russell Wilson's numbers would look a lot different behind this crappy offensive line and would have won less with this Swiss cheese defense.

If his OL is better it's not by much and your D is the reason you are still somewhat in the playoff race. It's not Sea's D but you have a good D, if you had a better QB you'd be 8-4 or better and comfortably in.

 

[jvw]

Russell Wilson's numbers would look a lot different behind this crappy offensive line and would have won less with this Swiss cheese defense.

I bet we have more wins with Wilson behind center...Seattle was missing 3/5 of its OL for much of the season due to injury and Wilson was taking a ton of sacks, the difference is he wasn't turning the ball over.....the offense was able to keep field position by punting....

His number would not be as good as they are now but I bet we have 2-3 more wins and winning this week would be eliminating most team from playoff contention instead of staying alive.....

 

[DolFan in NE]

Someone check back with me in 2 years and then I'll answer. To answer this now is lunacy. Right now Seattle is a better TEAM than Miami. Yes, in part because of the QB play but also because of all other phases of the game. Seattle's front office's drafts have been far superior to ours. They draft player that play right away, we draft players that barely play at all. If you believe a QB's play isn't help by all facets of the team, you're cracked. Russell Wilson is in a FAR better situation that Ryan Tannehill at the point.

 

[Shouright]

Someone check back with me in 2 years and then I'll answer. To answer this now is lunacy. Right now Seattle is a better TEAM than Miami. Yes, in part because of the QB play but also because of all other phases of the game. Seattle's front office's drafts have been far superior to ours. They draft player that play right away, we draft players that barely play at all. If you believe a QB's play isn't help by all facets of the team, you're cracked. Russell Wilson is in a FAR better situation that Ryan Tannehill at the point.

And that's entirely possible, but keep in mind that there was a large number (by my take) of people here who thought the same thing when the similar comparison was between Chad Henne and Matt Ryan, that Henne would be doing better in Atlanta and vice-versa. Now take a look at them both.

 

[DolFan in NE]

And that's entirely possible, but keep in mind that there was a large number (by my take) of people here who thought the same thing when the similar comparison was between Chad Henne and Matt Ryan, that Henne would be doing better in Atlanta and vice-versa. Now take a look at them both.

You can count me in the group that though Henne sucked. I'm by no means a Matt Ryan guy but I hated Henne. I think Tannehill has already surpassed Henne. I used to cringe every time Henne threw a ball. A dazzling throw one minute followed by a throw right into the number of a defender the next. That coming from a 4 year college starter and someone with a few years of pro experience.

 

[Vaark]

And that's entirely possible, but keep in mind that there was a large number (by my take) of people here who thought the same thing when the similar comparison was between Chad Henne and Matt Ryan, that Henne would be doing better in Atlanta and vice-versa. Now take a look at them both.

Actually, going back to the ACC, a couple of 2nd half shutouts, a complete game offensive shutout and a total of 24 points scored in those final 2 quarters going back 6 games, a 1-5 "win or go home on vacation" (1-4 NFL) record and relinquishing huge leads going into the second half persuade me that with what Melty had to work with, especially his postseason cold weather record, Henne might or might not have made the postseasons but surely he'd have done as well as, if not better than Melty in those playoffs. .200 NFL winning percentage with what he had to work with are about the most convincing "stats" I could think of. Anyone who denies or makes light of his consistent postseason chokefulness loses credibility on assessing or assorting stats on any other QB in my eye.

 

[nyashfan]

If Seattle were so convinced about Wilson a) they wouldn't have paid Matt Flynn starter money and b) they would've drafted him in the first or second round.

Why shouldn't we be comparing anything? Isn't that how you judge a team's general manager and scouting department, By looking at the players that they chose, the players they didn't choose and how those players actually worked out? Russell Wilson will most likely be playing in the NFC championship game and possibly in the Super Bowl. Dolphin fans will be ecstatic if Ryan Tannehill gets us to a wild card game. Why isn't it fair at some point to make that comparison?

 

[nyjunc]

If Seattle were so convinced about Wilson a) they wouldn't have paid Matt Flynn starter money and b) they would've drafted him in the first or second round.

didn't they acquire Flynn before the 2012 draft? what does what they felt at the time have to do w/ now? that's like saying if NE really liked Brady they wouldn't have waited until the 6th rd to get him.

 

[PeterNorth]

Clearly you miss the cynicism of the post. Statistics can be a valuable tool when used correctly. Day after day I see stats used as a know all end all where there is subjective influence unaccounted for. The 1-0 won/loss is a representation of how skewed numbers can be.

Perhaps you were being sarcastic, but others in the thread who said the exact same thing clearly were not.