Tannehill vs Luck Updated

[dolpns13]

Post of the year right here!

this was much funnier.. At any time between 09 and now:

and finally:

 

[nyjunc]

Ah, I was expecting eventually seeing you reply to this...I guess stats only matter when they work for you, well guess what?

When Tannehill and Luck met this year, Tannehill had a better game....Fact

Last year Andrew Luck was rated only 1 position better then Tannehill, this year Luck has improved a bit, Ryan 1 position behind again...Fact

Andrew Luck has had a more consistant O-line, Ryan has not....Fact

Andrew lost his best passing weapon, Ryan has lost to date 3 weapons that would have been instrumental in his success...Fact

These are facts, not just stats, if you wish you can ignore the obvious, but please stop crappy on each post that bring up something positive concerning the Dolphins, and start hoping/praying one day Geno will be able to turn into something close to a consistent QB, and not become another Mark Sanchez.

who cares if he had a better game? when mark Sanchez met Peyton manning in the 2010 playoff he has a better game, when he met Tom Brady in the 2010 playoffs he had a better game. In PLAYOFF GAMES on the road not week 2 or 3 of the reg season. does this mean mark is as good as those 2?

who cares about rationgs? ratings tell us Matt Schaub and Tony Romo are better than Dan marino.

Luck's OL isn't good either.

who are these 3 weapons instrumental in his success? He never played a game w/ Keller. Gibson? ok but they didn't lose the top 2 targets including the biggest FA acquisition.

Clearly his coaches thought he would be fine. That's why they drafted a QB and then played Sanchez in a meaningless part of a preseason game.

:lol2:

New GM, if not for the new GM Mark would be starting.

If you honestly think that there is a single GM or coach in the NFL that thinks that Mark Sanchez is better that Ryan Tannehill right now, you are seriously out of your mind.

mark is damaged goods right now but he's been better than Ryan and let's see Ryan w/ similar talent(w/ a weaker Pats team to deal with) get his tam to a title game- let's just see him get his team in a legit playoff race.

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Straw man.....

A. I never said it happens all the time.
B. How often it happens has no bearing on it happening with the Jets.
C. A team does not replace a young QB with an unknown if they believe he was integral to their success for 2 seasons so recently.

You can choose to ignore that the team was shielding Sanchez for his first two seasons and that he imploded when given more responsibility, but I don't have to.

Just say you don't have examples and move on. You can't so I got my answer.

Yes, terrible. 68.3 4th quarter QB rating. More intereceptions (22) than touchdowns (20) and 52.5% completion percentage.
Show me just ONE franchise QB who has put up numbers that bad in their career. They don't because the good QBs play well in the 4th quarter.

:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2: Ratings:lol2::lol2:

You Tony Romo has one of the best ratings in 4th qtrs., right? Stop looking at blind #s and see what these guys actually do.

 

[Vaark]

I'd go to Michelle Ryan for morality advice before junc for QB evals :idk:

 

[nyjunc]

vaark talking about morality. Priceless

 

[tay0365]

Colts OL is worse than the Dolphins IMO. Luck covers up a lot of the Colts short comings.
Very interesting comparison between the two though. I'd take Luck over Tannehill in a heartbeat.

Not Really, watch how quickly pass-rusher get away from the Block of the linemen on the Colts compared to the Dolphins. Do the Dolphins have more quality players, probably, but the holes are much bigger with Miami where they exist, and Ryan has hardly any time to get the play off because of it.

Ryan can move as well or better then Luck if they allowed him, but seems Sherman has told Tannehill he can not take off if there is nobody open within a certain time, but instead hang in the pocket and try to make the play. On the other hand seems Tannehill is starting to be allowed to run if given the chance, so hopefully that will start helping the line, and keep Ryan fresher as long as he remembers to slide, and not try for that extra yard.

 

[ciscoholgate]

Not Really, watch how quickly pass-rusher get away from the Block of the linemen on the Colts compared to the Dolphins. Do the Dolphins have more quality players, probably, but the holes are much bigger with Miami where they exist, and Ryan has hardly any time to get the play off because of it.

Ryan can move as well or better then Luck if they allowed him, but seems Sherman has told Tannehill he can not take off if there is nobody open within a certain time, but instead hang in the pocket and try to make the play. On the other hand seems Tannehill is starting to be allowed to run if given the chance, so hopefully that will start helping the line, and keep Ryan fresher as long as he remembers to slide, and not try for that extra yard.

Luck is light years ahead of Tannehill when it comes to pre snap reads and moving in the pocket. A lot of what Luck does is he avoids pressure and sacks to help out his OL. Tannehill doesn't do that (yet).

 

[LandShark13]

you mean the guy that has as many wins w/ less talent as the great Ryan Tannehill?

I worry about wins, I don't worry about meaningless fantasy #s

To be fair Junc looking at just wins is just as blind as looking at just stats.

 

[FinHopeful]

please stop looking at blind stats, there is absolutely no comparison btw the 2. That doesn't mean Ryan is bad but he's nowhere near Luck no matter what the #s say. It's not about the overall #s, it's about how you got there that matters.

I agree that blindly looking at stats is not a good method for comparing QBs. The 25 sacks versus the 41 sacks matter. I believe the main reason these numbers are different is the quality of the offensive lines, but there is a component of QB decision making maturity. It is clear that luck can manage the mental process better. I believe that the difference in experience is at least half of why Luck is further along. It is very clear that Ryan has advanced significantly in his ability to manage the mental part of the game, but it is equally clear there are plenty of opportunities for improvement.

 

[ciscoholgate]

You Tony Romo has one of the best ratings in 4th qtrs., right? Stop looking at blind #s and see what these guys actually do.

I don't consider Romo a franchise QB, but I see how some could. Numbers are what we have to tell how much a guy helps his team win. I don't go by just ratings either. Sanchez doesn't play well in the 4th quarter so it's obvious his team was carrying him to wins. Well it's obvious to anyone who knows football which obviously you don't because you can't get off of Sanchez nuts.

 

[nyjunc]

To be fair Junc looking at just wins is just as blind as looking at just stats.

I don't judge solely on wins, I use many difference factors when evaluating but the most important for me is wins.

I agree that blindly looking at stats is not a good method for comparing QBs. The 25 sacks versus the 41 sacks matter. I believe the main reason these numbers are different is the quality of the offensive lines, but there is a component of QB decision making maturity. It is clear that luck can manage the mental process better. I believe that the difference in experience is at least half of why Luck is further along. It is very clear that Ryan has advanced significantly in his ability to manage the mental part of the game, but it is equally clear there are plenty of opportunities for improvement.

how many are b/c of the OL vs. how many are b/c Luck gets away from the rush and ryan does not? not all sacks are on the OL, a RB could miss a blitz pickup, a QB misses a read, etc...

 

[Vaark]

vaark talking about morality. Priceless

junc talking about objectivity: Hysterical

 

[nyjunc]

I don't consider Romo a franchise QB, but I see how some could. Numbers are what we have to tell how much a guy helps his team win. I don't go by just ratings either. Sanchez doesn't play well in the 4th quarter so it's obvious his team was carrying him to wins. Well it's obvious to anyone who knows football which obviously you don't because you can't get off of Sanchez nuts.

even last year he led us to some late game wins including a comeback at Miami. mark was an excellent big moment QB. Did he fail at times? of course, all QBs do but he succeeded more often than not in those big moments late in games. Look it up and watch the tape if you can.

 

[mega-fin-love]

Sanchez sucks, Geno Smith sucks, Njunc sucks. For the life of me I will never understand why posters allow themselves to be trolled by him. A troll can only troll when you let him. This guy ruins thousands of threads a year because people let him. Disgusting

 

[nyjunc]

junc talking about objectivity: Hysterical

Except I didn't discuss objectivity even though Stevie Wonder could see who the homer is btw us.

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Sanchez sucks, Geno Smith sucks, Njunc sucks. For the life of me I will never understand why posters allow themselves to be trolled by him. A troll can only troll when you let him. This guy ruins thousands of threads a year because people let him. Disgusting

The guy that has no life that just spends his days hitting the "no thanks" button on my posts is talking about one of the best posters on the site. Amazing. The ones who ruin threads are the whiny complainers that can't keep up and just spend their time bashing posters rather than trying to attack the posts.

 

[FSU Truth]

I wonder.....if no one responded to him and everyone had him on ignore what would happen??? Would he simply just go away or would he begin to have conversations with himself?