Teammates Bullied Martin

[finfan54]

There's a reason it didn't stop.

Just a question of what it is.

what if he is gay? is that a good reason? Just a thought to think outside the box.

Quite frankly, I think this is serious 5th grade shiit. I Know Mckinney doesnt have much to do with it. I wonder what he must be thinking as former outsider newbie. Could be Karma that Incog was injured last night and we did allright without him too.

I served in the US Army. I went through some hazing type stuff. I went through fraternity hazings in HS. It doesnt do much of anything positive for anyone in my book. Its done because you are either made to feel accepted or not accepted. Its gangster mentality.

 

[GoonBoss]

So if I called a co worker a poopy-head....Does that make me a bully? If I do it twice?

 

[GoonBoss]

what if he is gay? is that a good reason? Just a thought to think outside the box.

Quite frankly, I think this is serious 5th grade shiit. I Know Mckinney doesnt have much to do with it. I wonder what he must be thinking as former outsider newbie. Could be Karma that Incog was injured last night and we did allright without him too.

I served in the US Army. I went through some hazing type stuff. I went through fraternity hazings in HS. It doesnt do much of anything positive for anyone in my book. Its done because you are either made to feel accepted or not accepted. Its gangster mentality.

Being gay could be the reason. No, it's not valid if that is the reason.

If you read my quote, I wasn't passing judgement on the reason, I just said that
there was one. Hell, it could be that everyone thought he was cool, since he
participated in similar activities, allegedly. I also don't think hazing is gangster menatality.
I think it's a ritual that symbolizes a passage into peer acceptance. It's a question
of what level it gets too. If it's too light, it rings hollow. If it's too harsh, it is counter productive.

I don't think that getting up from a table when someone else sits down elevates to any
level besides;" GTF over it, sissy."

ETA; I'd bet my life that McKinney has participated in far, far worse incidents of this nature.

 

[finfan54]

Being gay could be the reason. No, it's not valid if that is the reason.

If you read my quote, I wasn't passing judgement on the reason, I just said that
there was one. Hell, it could be that everyone thought he was cool, since he
participated in similar activities, allegedly. I also don't think hazing is gangster menatality.
I think it's a ritual that symbolizes a passage into peer acceptance. It's a question
of what level it gets too. If it's too light, it rings hollow. If it's too harsh, it is counter productive.

I don't think that getting up from a table when someone else sits down elevates to any
level besides;" GTF over it, sissy."

ETA; I'd bet my life that McKinney has participated in far, far worse incidents of this nature.

I was just commenting on on your comments and I know you are seeing things from an environmental perspective but these are grown ups playing professional football. I just dont think it was right to call him "weirdo" and not make him feel accepted. I think that is highly unproffessional. I would never call anyone a degrading name in public to their face. Its more a sign of who I am than who they are.

Its just not right but as adults? OMG.

 

[So Be]

So, it's your opinion that hazeing/pranking/name calling/bullying just now started under Philbin?

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What's the definition of a bully? How is it a 6'8 300 plus pound man could be bullied?

You know better than that, just the control of it when it went too far.

 

[finfan54]

So if I called a co worker a poopy-head....Does that make me a bully? If I do it twice?

thats just being silly.

 

[GoonBoss]

You know better than that, just the control of it when it went too far.

You used Shula as an example of someone who wouldn't tolerate foolishness. I'm just saying some of the stories of
player misbehavior under Shula are legion.

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it makes you immature.

I'd accept that. Does it make me a bully? Or am I only a bully if they get offended?

 

[mega-fin-love]

Being gay could be the reason. No, it's not valid if that is the reason.

If you read my quote, I wasn't passing judgement on the reason, I just said that
there was one. Hell, it could be that everyone thought he was cool, since he
participated in similar activities, allegedly. I also don't think hazing is gangster menatality.
I think it's a ritual that symbolizes a passage into peer acceptance. It's a question
of what level it gets too. If it's too light, it rings hollow. If it's too harsh, it is counter productive.

I don't think that getting up from a table when someone else sits down elevates to any
level besides;" GTF over it, sissy."

ETA; I'd bet my life that McKinney has participated in far, far worse incidents of this nature.

There may technically be a reason but it is not a good one no matter what it is. Bullying is for losers. I see what you are getting at about someone being the weak link in a life or death situation such as a prison. I get it. In that situation I understand the concern about someone being a cowherd or whatever and putting you at risk.....but even in that situation bullying is not the answer. It is never the answer

 

[GoonBoss]

I was just commenting on on your comments and I know you are seeing things from an environmental perspective but these are grown ups playing professional football. I just dont think it was right to call him "weirdo" and not make him feel accepted. I think that is highly unproffessional. I would never call anyone a degrading name in public to their face. Its more a sign of who I am than who they are.

Its just not right but as adults? OMG.

"Weirdo" is tame where I work. I wouldn't even consider that an insult. I don't see the need to bend over backwards,
or sacrifice the group for an individual. There's an easy way to stay away from an NFL locker room. Take that degree
and put it to work. There's an easy way to stay away from the Army. Don't join. There's an easy way to not undergo
frat hazing. Don't join. Humans are pack animals by nature, and groups will push out those that don't belong/behave.

That's just the way it is.

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There may technically be a reason but it is not a good one no matter what it is. Bullying is for losers. I see what you are getting at about someone being the weak link in a life or death situation such as a prison. I get it. In that situation I understand the concern about someone being a cowherd or whatever and putting you at risk.....but even in that situation bullying is not the answer. It is never the answer

If you are helpless to resist, it's one thing. I'd characterize that as bullying. If you are capable of resisting, that's just on the person
laying down and being a doormat.

 

[So Be]

So if I called a co worker a poopy-head....Does that make me a bully? If I do it twice?

I think if you said that, most would think you needed some help with your shots on others and/or vocabulary. :)

IF you actually said that "The Duke" is rolling over in his grave, LHAO!!!

 

[phintim]

I hate bullies. Still you I do not agree with how the media is currently handling it. The only way to stop the bully syndrom is to teach someone how to stand up to the act of bullying and not become a bully. I am a little older but my father had a saying in our household never let me catch you start a fight or catch you running from a fight because I will whip your butt when you get home. That solution worked. I am afraid the current solutions that they are teaching with dealing with bullying is going to create a generation of sissies that will not know how to stand up for themselves and others if the need arises.

 

[So Be]

You used Shula as an example of someone who wouldn't tolerate foolishness. I'm just saying some of the stories of
player misbehavior under Shula are legion.

The stories are well documented, as is the control of them and the players causing them.

 

[mega-fin-love]

"Weirdo" is tame where I work. I wouldn't even consider that an insult. I don't see the need to bend over backwards,
or sacrifice the group for an individual. There's an easy way to stay away from an NFL locker room. Take that degree
and put it to work. There's an easy way to stay away from the Army. Don't join. There's an easy way to not undergo
frat hazing. Don't join. Humans are pack animals by nature, and groups will push out those that don't belong/behave.

That's just the way it is.

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If you are helpless to resist, it's one thing. I'd characterize that as bullying. If you are capable of resisting, that's just on the person
laying down and being a doormat.

He has been laying down like a doormat. No question about that. Doesn't make bullying him right though. Just because you or I are tough and it would not bother us that much doesn't mean it won't bother other people. We are all different. He is clearly more sensitive than we are. That's not a free pass to abuse someone.

 

[So Be]

"Weirdo" is tame where I work. I wouldn't even consider that an insult. I don't see the need to bend over backwards,
or sacrifice the group for an individual. There's an easy way to stay away from an NFL locker room. Take that degree
and put it to work. There's an easy way to stay away from the Army. Don't join. There's an easy way to not undergo
frat hazing. Don't join. Humans are pack animals by nature, and groups will push out those that don't belong/behave.

That's just the way it is.

That is not the way it is, although it may have been in somewhat per-historic times where you now reside and/or. work. There's a whole new world out there regardless of what you may think.

 

[peace4all]

How do you know when someone is going to snap? Is it ok all the way up until they snap? How about if that guy
that Martin helped hide the car on snapped? You have to take into context what the culture of the workplace is. In
a nail salon, I'd expect the employee to go to HR, or a manager and report a hostile work environment.

In an NFL locker room, I'd expect the employee to toss the other employee through the salad bar. (Figguritively)

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What's the point that it "encourages immoral behavior?"

The thing with the car happened only once. When it happens on a regular basis for over a year and a half(as most reports suggest in regatds to Martin), then it's a pretty safe guess that that person will soon feel singled out and humiliated and will snap. Whether they do it like he did or punch the other person in the mouth, it still creates a bad atmosphere and tension in the locker room.

Immoral behaviour is when the badass attitude goes out of control and causes incidents that negatively affect team members, team immage and lastly on-field play.