Teammates Bullied Martin
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overworkedirish
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I thought Rich Eisen was really baiting Cam Wake in the post-game chat - and Wake handled it beautifully. Concerning that the media will try and distract our active roster with this stuff.
GoonBoss
Finheaven Templar
He was. I thought it was an inappropriate question.
ronnieb_23
Rookie
What I've been taught is that if you treat everyone the same each person will take it differently. After being with the team 1.5 years I feel like the players around him know him pretty well and knows how he responds to certain criticisms.
Now, you can argue, like in your case, that it's life or death. I think in the nfl is NOT life or death (but there is a very slim chance that it can be). As an NFL team it is difficult to just fire somebody then hire somebody, then train them, then get them up to speed and hope they work out. Where as Martin is just as good if not better than clabo regardless of age at this point in their careers and it's easier to keep a guy like martin around at RT rather than draft someone, start them and hope they work out.
I understand your whole weak link thing, but at this point in the season I actually do fell safer having Martin at RT rather than Clabo. I also feel like with the 4 game skid we have been on...singling players out and creating division in the locker room is the dumbest thing you can do at this point while the phins can still make a wild card. There is no time for making other players feel pathetic ON YOUR OWN TEAM..you're trying to make the playoffs!! You need to build repor and gain trust among each other and be able to gel and play like a solid team!
I find it more pathetic that a group of players actually did this to one single player. Its not like Martin was with 3-4 other guys..
Now, you can argue, like in your case, that it's life or death. I think in the nfl is NOT life or death (but there is a very slim chance that it can be). As an NFL team it is difficult to just fire somebody then hire somebody, then train them, then get them up to speed and hope they work out. Where as Martin is just as good if not better than clabo regardless of age at this point in their careers and it's easier to keep a guy like martin around at RT rather than draft someone, start them and hope they work out.
I understand your whole weak link thing, but at this point in the season I actually do fell safer having Martin at RT rather than Clabo. I also feel like with the 4 game skid we have been on...singling players out and creating division in the locker room is the dumbest thing you can do at this point while the phins can still make a wild card. There is no time for making other players feel pathetic ON YOUR OWN TEAM..you're trying to make the playoffs!! You need to build repor and gain trust among each other and be able to gel and play like a solid team!
I find it more pathetic that a group of players actually did this to one single player. Its not like Martin was with 3-4 other guys..
mega-fin-love
Just trust me
Are you suggesting there is a valid reason that he was bullied?
GoonBoss
Finheaven Templar
Peered out?
Yes. I'm suggesting there could be a valid reason.
ETA; If you hang out with wolves, you need to be a wolf, no matter if you are or not.
As Ive said previously, I can't believe it was only the teams I was on that peered guys
off the team that wouldn't, or couldn't put in the work, couldn't get along, etc.
It's not a nail salon. It's football. Hell, it's life.
ohall
A Miami Dolphins fan, not a players fan.
As much as I despise bullies, this is football. Martin should have manned up and simply finished his meal, and then dealt with it like a man.
But IMO the fact that the OL essentially got up and left him, speaks more negatively on the ppl that stood and left that table than in any way it could towards Martin. He's still a team mate, that kind of move goes beyond a unit of men. I mean, with that one move they essentially told the entire team Martin is not one of us, for whatever reason. I'm not sure how you take that away, as far as a unit doing something like that.
But IMO the fact that the OL essentially got up and left him, speaks more negatively on the ppl that stood and left that table than in any way it could towards Martin. He's still a team mate, that kind of move goes beyond a unit of men. I mean, with that one move they essentially told the entire team Martin is not one of us, for whatever reason. I'm not sure how you take that away, as far as a unit doing something like that.
ohall
A Miami Dolphins fan, not a players fan.
I can't think of any one reason beyond that team mate being accused of some sort of vulgar actions could I ever be a part of getting up from a table and leaving him like that. I'm not saying Martin in any way has been accuses of such a thing.
The only rational thing I can think of is they told him if he attempted to sit down with them, they would leave the table. But it still seems like a **** move to me. Martin is still a team mate, at that point any way. If I was on that team, I wouldn't think too highly of those OL that got up.
GoonBoss
Finheaven Templar
About 12 or so guys on my shift did that EXACT same thing to one of our shift supervisors at
the prison. Know what he did? He got up and cussed us like a drunken sailor with a very impressive
slew of curses with a finale of "**** you ****suckers."..... He then sat down and ate his meal.
He also then called a few people and told them that they needed to report to OIG (Prison Internal Affairs)
as we were targets of an investigation, and got one of the OIG guys to go along with it.
Guess what? Nobody cried, or reported it to HR, or had to go home, or have counseling....
An HR rep would stroke out at what we do to each other at my workplace. If two guys have
issues with each other there's a place they go to settle it. I can't say the name of the place,
but it's where big boys handle beefs.
Oh, and we were still a team, and a unit. Best shift on the farm. To include that supervisor.
ronnieb_23
Rookie
Is there a forum for this prison where everyone around America can talk about it?
Why would anyone cry, or report it or go home when they initiated it? Congrats on being the best team or unit on the farm...are you the best in the country? like most of the nfl athletes are?
As a fan, I expect professionalism from my team whether it gets into the media or not...and hearing about a group of professional athletes treat one of their own guys like that actually makes me feel less of my team whether Martin is a pro bowler or 3rd stringer...
I hate seeing Miami go through the same **** every year and this is not the type of action that will get you over the hump. A guy won't like every single dam player on the team but you can suck it up and act like a dam team at least right?
GoonBoss
Finheaven Templar
It is a peer group. Every peer group utilizes organizational pressure in one form or another. I was simply using my experience playing
football, and in my workplace to draw a parallell to what happened. If you disagree with that, well, that's your right and opinion, I just
happen to think your outlook is very colored with a polyanna-esque hue. Part of being a team is eliminating those who, for whatever reason
aren't part of the team.
Yes. I believe my shift was the best in the country. In fact, I have no doubt about it. We work in one of the most adverse environments
in the country, and we can still "bully" each other and not have a ****ing complex about it.
I guess maybe I'm just tougher minded than some other people. There is not one single thing someone could
say to me that would chase me away from work, school, or whever I was. At school, I fought. In football,
I busted my ass, and fit in. In my workplace, I give as good or better than I get.
There's no excuse for being a ****ing ***** in a man's workplace like football.
Again, this goes deeper than team mates walking away at the table as a joke. No one here knows what is it at the core of the issue and like the media, are speculating. What are facts are that America has gotten soft as a society and that's a hard pill for some to swallow. I am far more concerned with kids in school being bullied than an adult being pranked amongst his peers. Clearly, Martin has mental issues that he needs to get help with and doesn't belong in an environment like an NFL locker room.
Did anyone notice how much better the OL played tonight? I don't think it's a coincidence that with him gone the play was better.
Did anyone notice how much better the OL played tonight? I don't think it's a coincidence that with him gone the play was better.
GoonBoss
Finheaven Templar
Funny how that worked, isnt it?
And I agree. I'm lots more sympathetic to bullying in a youth enviroment, but, you know what I told my
middle son, who's now an Infantryman in the US Army when I found out (he didn't tell me) he was being bullied?
I told him to go punch whomever was doing it hard, fast and repeatedly next time they did it.
He told me he'd get suspended or expelled, and I told him that we'd home school if we had to.
Problem was solved.
If you are getting "bullied" as an adult you need to grow the **** up and handle your business.
ronnieb_23
Rookie
My outlook on a team happens to be find a way to make it work and, in this case, basically means work with what you've got. I believe the trade deadline is over (could be mistaken on that one) so there won't be any trading for superior talent any time soon.
You have your own experiences but I can still argue that your not the United States army or trained assassins guarding a prison so you wouldn't be the best in the country. You can't tell me there is one guy on your shift that is not weaker than one other guy in some aspect either. Team's are made up of different talents and specialties. You may have a good team but you know there is a weak link some where that complements or spells quite a few of the other team members because if you all were the same then once one weakness is found your team isn't very strong anymore is it?
Being tough minded doesn't necessarily mean kicking another guy to the curb. It's figuring out what their strengths are and using it to your advantage. This I believe is where we don't see eye to eye. You think just because a guy responded to the situation how he did, shouldn't be playing on the team. I think each individual responds differently to certain reactions and I have seen my fair share of it in college baseball (only D3, im not bragging, I'm just saying..). A guy makes one mistake and the coach ******* him out like he doesn't belong on the team. Guess what happened to that coach 3 years later? Fired because of consecutive losing seasons
There's a difference in calling out a player to get a better performance out of them and there are ways of doing it such as benching...but making a team member feel like they are not part of a team only hurts the unit if you ask me