Teammates Bullied Martin

[GoonBoss]

My outlook on a team happens to be find a way to make it work and, in this case, basically means work with what you've got. I believe the trade deadline is over (could be mistaken on that one) so there won't be any trading for superior talent any time soon.

You have your own experiences but I can still argue that your not the United States army or trained assassins guarding a prison so you wouldn't be the best in the country. You can't tell me there is one guy on your shift that is not weaker than one other guy in some aspect either. Team's are made up of different talents and specialties. You may have a good team but you know there is a weak link some where that complements or spells quite a few of the other team members because if you all were the same then once one weakness is found your team isn't very strong anymore is it?

Being tough minded doesn't necessarily mean kicking another guy to the curb. It's figuring out what their strengths are and using it to your advantage. This I believe is where we don't see eye to eye. You think just because a guy responded to the situation how he did, shouldn't be playing on the team. I think each individual responds differently to certain reactions and I have seen my fair share of it in college baseball (only D3, im not bragging, I'm just saying..). A guy makes one mistake and the coach ******* him out like he doesn't belong on the team. Guess what happened to that coach 3 years later? Fired because of consecutive losing seasons

There's a difference in calling out a player to get a better performance out of them and there are ways of doing it such as benching...but making a team member feel like they are not part of a team only hurts the unit if you ask me

We are the best, in my opinion at what we do in the country. We guard a maximum security prison. The only people in the US Army that guard a prison
to my knowledge in the US is the unit at Ft Leavenworth, KS.....Which is not a maximum security unit. I'd take a guy from my shift over a soldier from Leavenworth any day, and twice on sunday....Oh, and I served in the US Army for eight years (Only a combat medic, and a cavalry scout...I'm not bragging, I'm just saying)..And to my knowledge there are no teams of trained assassins guarding any US prison. So unless you can enlighten me, that part of your post is straight up ignorant garbage. We are/were what I said; The best at what we do in the country.

No, being tough minded doesn't mean kicking another guy to the curb. It DOES mean not to scream and cry and RUN AWAY from your workplace, or wherever you happen to be. THAT is WEAK for a grown ass man, I don't care how you slice it. As far as your coach, that's not the same thing at all.
That would be analogous to Philbin, not the other players engaging in that process, which is inappropriate for supervisors.

 

[ronnieb_23]

Again, this goes deeper than team mates walking away at the table as a joke. No one here knows what is it at the core of the issue and like the media, are speculating. What are facts are that America has gotten soft as a society and that's a hard pill for some to swallow. I am far more concerned with kids in school being bullied than an adult being pranked amongst his peers. Clearly, Martin has mental issues that he needs to get help with and doesn't belong in an environment like an NFL locker room.

Did anyone notice how much better the OL played tonight? I don't think it's a coincidence that with him gone the play was better.

Are you 100% sure the o line played better or did Sherman actually stick with the run in this game? Glad to see Miller finally brake the century mark

 

[Shouright]

Richie Incognito may be behaving better on the field with regard to penalties, but I suspect he's still a sadistic dick and is probably primarily responsible here.

 

[GoonBoss]

Richie Incognito may be behaving better on the field with regard to penalties, but I suspect he's still a sadistic dick and is probably primarily responsible here.

He has a long history of making teammates run off?

 

[Shouright]

He has a long history of making teammates run off?

He has a long history of personality problems of an aggressive nature.

 

[ronnieb_23]

We are the best, in my opinion at what we do in the country. We guard a maximum security prison. The only people in the US Army that guard a prison
to my knowledge in the US is the unit at Ft Leavenworth, KS.....Which is not a maximum security unit. I'd take a guy from my shift over a soldier from Leavenworth any day, and twice on sunday....Oh, and I served in the US Army for eight years (Only a combat medic, and a cavalry scout...I'm not bragging, I'm just saying)..And to my knowledge there are no teams of trained assassins guarding any US prison. So unless you can enlighten me, that part of your post is straight up ignorant garbage. We are/were what I said; The best at what we do in the country.

No, being tough minded doesn't mean kicking another guy to the curb. It DOES mean not to scream and cry and RUN AWAY from your workplace, or wherever you happen to be. THAT is WEAK for a grown ass man, I don't care how you slice it. As far as your coach, that's not the same thing at all.
That would be analogous to Philbin, not the other players engaging in that process, which is inappropriate for supervisors.

That part of my post meant that I thought there were superior talents that would be in that line of work, not necessarily those exact types of people. If what you say is true then it is ignorant garbage and I have no problem admitting it.

The concept of "bullying", which is the thread title, is what I was applying to the coaching example. Is that not still bullying an athlete regardless of title or age? There is a difference in calling out players or motivating players and I don't think they went about it the right way.

If you can say your the best in the country then all the power to ya. I'm not here to rip on your career, im just challenging the fact that you feel you are the best in the country since it takes quite a team to be the best. Idk how many maximum security prisions there are but could prolly find out if I googled it. There still are players from every team that say they would rather have player a who is on their team rather than player b who is on an opposing team so its not like what your saying is anything new.

 

[GoonBoss]

He has a long history of personality problems of an aggressive nature.

Must be pretty bad to make a grown man cry and leave the team.

 

[GoonBoss]

That part of my post meant that I thought there were superior talents that would be in that line of work, not necessarily those exact types of people. If what you say is true then it is ignorant garbage and I have no problem admitting it.

The concept of "bullying", which is the thread title, is what I was applying to the coaching example. Is that not still bullying an athlete regardless of title or age? There is a difference in calling out players or motivating players and I don't think they went about it the right way.

If you can say your the best in the country then all the power to ya. I'm not here to rip on your career, im just challenging the fact that you feel you are the best in the country since it takes quite a team to be the best. Idk how many maximum security prisions there are but could prolly find out if I googled it. There still are players from every team that say they would rather have player a who is on their team rather than player b who is on an opposing team so its not like what your saying is anything new.

I didn't say it was a fact that we were the best. I said it was my opinion that we were. There are no soldiers out there that I would
take over a seasoned correctional officer for the job we do. Its a completely different skill set. I would know. I've done both.
I could not give a damn less what you think of my career. Rip away. It's not like it was my dream from when I was a kid or anything.
I'm just telling you that I think we are the best at what we do in the country. You may not agree and that's fine.

The concept of the thread title is only a concept. You call it bullying. I call it peering out. Regardless of WHAT you call it, your
coach's actions may or may not have been appropriate. Either way, its not what happened here. The guys that go to work with
this guy every day, for whatever reason rode him, unlike they have ever done to anyone else. They were his
PEERS, not his SUPERIOR. There's a reason for that, and the process is completely different.

 

[fsuhunter]

We are the best, in my opinion at what we do in the country. We guard a maximum security prison. The only people in the US Army that guard a prison
to my knowledge in the US is the unit at Ft Leavenworth, KS.....Which is not a maximum security unit. I'd take a guy from my shift over a soldier from Leavenworth any day, and twice on sunday....Oh, and I served in the US Army for eight years (Only a combat medic, and a cavalry scout...I'm not bragging, I'm just saying)..And to my knowledge there are no teams of trained assassins guarding any US prison. So unless you can enlighten me, that part of your post is straight up ignorant garbage. We are/were what I said; The best at what we do in the country.

No, being tough minded doesn't mean kicking another guy to the curb. It DOES mean not to scream and cry and RUN AWAY from your workplace, or wherever you happen to be. THAT is WEAK for a grown ass man, I don't care how you slice it. As far as your coach, that's not the same thing at all.
That would be analogous to Philbin, not the other players engaging in that process, which is inappropriate for supervisors.

Look at me look at me. HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME. That is all that ever comes out of your mouth. In my prison...In my line of work...When I was in the army...When I was a security guard for some important people...Incidental action...My guys...blah blah blah. Ok you are the toughest guy on the planet and as cool as John Wayne. But you are no psychologist and the last person on earth given that should be giving perspective on bullying. Because you yourself are one.

Regards, Erik

 

[Shouright]

Must be pretty bad to make a grown man cry and leave the team.

I'm not suggesting there's nothing that can be attributed to Martin. It's probably an interaction between one guy with a certain kind of vulnerability (Martin) and another guy with a sadistic personality trait (Incognito) that preys upon it. If true, it's far from professional on Incognito's part, IMO, regardless of what Martin brings to the table in the matter.

Remember that there's a pretty sharp distinction here between the personal safety concerns associated with the military and with corrections work, and the sport of football, in which this sort of hazing doesn't revolve around getting a guy to be more sturdy in protecting the lives of his associates. There is no life and death in football.

 

[ronnieb_23]

I didn't say it was a fact that we were the best. I said it was my opinion that we were. There are no soldiers out there that I would
take over a seasoned correctional officer for the job we do. Its a completely different skill set. I would know. I've done both.
I could not give a damn less what you think of my career. Rip away. It's not like it was my dream from when I was a kid or anything.
I'm just telling you that I think we are the best at what we do in the country. You may not agree and that's fine.

The concept of the thread title is only a concept. You call it bullying. I call it peering out. Regardless of WHAT you call it, your
coach's actions may or may not have been appropriate. Either way, its not what happened here. The guys that go to work with
this guy every day, for whatever reason rode him, unlike they have ever done to anyone else. They were his
PEERS, not his SUPERIOR. There's a reason for that, and the process is completely different.

What is the difference if you're just gonna tell someone (or your kid) just to go punch the guy out repeatedly to take care of the issue? Superiors don't have any more right to bully an individual regardless of age...

Peering out is just the name you call it when people of a certain age bully another individual of the same age and they are around them more often...it doesn't make a difference what they see to give them a right to 'bully' or 'peer out'. There are more appropriate or professional ways of handling situations

 

[GoonBoss]

Look at me look at me. HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME. That is all that ever comes out of your mouth. In my prison...In my line of work...When I was in the army...When I was a security guard for some important people...Incidental action...My guys...blah blah blah. Ok you are the toughest guy on the planet and as cool as John Wayne. But you are no psychologist and the last person on earth given that should be giving perspective on bullying. Because you yourself are one.

Regards, Erik

I draw analogies to my experiences because that's the way I speak. Lots of times I have had certain experiences that others have not
had, and I can speak to certain things that others cannot. I can even speak to what it's like to have worked at McDonalds, produced fine
wood products, worked in a meat packing plant, worked in a rolled roofing products plant, and a variety of other things that I've done in
46 years on this planet. There are plenty of other things that I cannot speak to. The fact of the matter here is that everything I have
said I've done I've done. It seems to upset you. Just to address a few points;

-Thank you for giving me the chance to talk about myself even more.

-NOBODY is cooler than The Duke. Not even me.

-I'm not one of the toughest guys on the planet, but you're not going to run me off with words from anywhere, at any time.

-Not sure what "incidental action" is.

-I suppose maybe I am a bit of a bully in the eyes of people these days. I do know I'm sort of an *******
but I know for a fact that my wife, kids and dogs love me, so I certainly don't need your respect nor approval.

Regards, Harold.

If you don't like what I have to say, you're certainly free to ignore it.

 

[GoonBoss]

What is the difference if you're just gonna tell someone (or your kid) just to go punch the guy out repeatedly to take care of the issue? Superiors don't have any more right to bully an individual regardless of age...

Peering out is just the name you call it when people of a certain age bully another individual of the same age and they are around them more often...it doesn't make a difference what they see to give them a right to 'bully' or 'peer out'. There are more appropriate or professional ways of handling situations

My instructions were; If punched, to punch back hard, fast and repeatedly. Hard, fast and repeatedly enough that it
would ensure that particular kid would never hit him again. Apply, wash, and rinse as necessary. I guess its from having to
handle my battles on my own. I don't rely on others to fight my battles for me. That's how I was raised, that's how
I raised all three of my boys. I know the enlightened of today probably don't agree with that method, and thats fine.

You think peering out is bullying. I think it's a natural process of selecting the best people for a particular group that
can either be overcome, bypassed, or retreated from. I prefer overcoming. The fact of the matter is its a great
difference between a supervisor/boss/teacher doing/saying something as opposed to a peer group doing/saying
something, as the supervisor/boss/teacher has the weight of institutional power behind them. That shifts the
paradigm completely. Peers do not possess this power.

One cannot be bullied unless one allows themselves to be bullied. A 6'8 300+ pound man has no excuse

 

[finomenal]

According to the reports, teammates were all sitting down eating. Martin went over to go sit with them. As soon as he sat down, everyone got up and left. Then Martin stormed out. Someone acting that way in my circle would get laughed at forevermore. He'd never live it down. 20 years later, we'd be saying "remember when? ..."

We have become such a soft society. This bullying term has gone too far and is used way too often. Channing Crowder was on WQAM during the pregame show talking about locker room culture. That's how it is man. Guys make fun of each other and pull pranks too. Not just football either. Friends do that amongst each other all the time. Unless it turns out that this dude has bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or something like that then he's just soft. Period.

 

[finomenal]

Are you suggesting there is a valid reason that he was bullied?

He wasn't bullied. He was getting clowned on. And yes, there's a valid reason for it. It's funny. As I said in my last post, guys pull those kinds of pranks all the time. Like GoonBoss said. He'll get over it or he won't. Either way, good riddance. You can't trust a guy like that on your team. He's not dependable.