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Teams Rarely Draft QBs in the 1st Round?

This thread is full of so much fail from the OP. Holy ****. There's more franchise QB's drafted in the 1st round, than all 6 other rounds combined. Most of the stuff you're posting in this thread makes no sense, especially that first post. What the hell is the point? Fail thread is fail.
 
shouright said:
Here is a list of every first round quarterback taken in the 20 years between 1990 and 2009. The bolded ones have been successes, broadly defined:
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You Forgot Vince Young in 2006, while hes had "success" (being a probowler in 2010) be cant even hold a job now.

If you've missed one of the more recent QBs it makes me wonder how many more you have.

Also you bolded some rather curious selections, Alex Smith hasn't led his team anywhere and has a carrier PR of 74.6 with 58 TDs to 54 INTs. Thats just average to me. Maybe below average.
 
Honeslty,

It all comes down to these two things.

1. New HC is going to want his "guy" so he will most likely draft a first round QB. He will get a leeway of about 2-3 years to develop the QB and team without front office pressure. Once the maturing period has come to an end, front office will expect results, and aslong as the team performs at a mediocre level (lets say 8-8) the HC and QB will stay in place for another 4-5 years. So thats a good, 6-8 years that one team will not be drafting a QB (since like I've mentioned before, the top QB's are usually gone within the first 10 picks).

A variation of my first point.

2. New HC is brought in, he has a "seasoned/old" team that has the ability to win the big one NOW. No time to develop a rookie QB so he will go out on the market and aquire/trade for a veteran QB. This HC/QB due once again will most likely get a good 3-4 years before the team ages out and they will have to start fresh, or the HC gets fired.
 
This argument is pointless. The fact is that we need a good QB and have had that need for many years and this organization has never had the balls to take a chance on someone in the first round ever since we have had that need.

I would rather see them draft one in the first round every two to three years till they found someone worthy then to see them draft one more damn lineman or another worthless position that does not work out anyway.

What they have been doing has not been working our so it's time to look in the first round don't you think?
 
SarahAnn said:
If you've missed one of the more recent QBs it makes me wonder how many more you have.
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Feel free to put forth the effort to check my work, since so far I've been one of the few to actually do any.

99.9% of the posts here are personal opinions based on no research at all.

When someone actually conducts some research, the reception should be very positive and supportive in my opinion, since information that goes well beyond someone's personal opinion is much more useful and informative.
 
SarahAnn said:
You Forgot Vince Young in 2006, while hes had "success" (being a probowler in 2010) be cant even hold a job now.

If you've missed one of the more recent QBs it makes me wonder how many more you have.

Also you bolded some rather curious selections, Alex Smith hasn't led his team anywhere and has a carrier PR of 74.6 with 58 TDs to 54 INTs. Thats just average to me. Maybe below average.
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So remove them, 1st round is still where the best are on average. You can't honestly believe that if you compare the ratio of successful QBs in the first round vs total taken and the ratio of successful QB's from all other rounds vs total taken (and you will need to include UDFA QB's), that the latter will show more success.
 
shouright said:
Feel free to put forth the effort to check my work, since so far I've been one of the few to actually do any.

99.9% of the posts here are personal opinions based on no research at all.

When someone actually conducts some research, the reception should be very positive and supportive in my opinion, since information that goes well beyond someone's personal opinion is much more useful and informative.
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With all due respect, not really sure what kind of research you are searching for?

It's common sence that there is usually only 2-3 QB's worth taking so early in the draft. (1st round) and most teams are either set at QB for a good 10 years or HC prefer to go after veterans since they do not have the time to develop a QB for fear of loosing their job.

Sure, I could use my rocket science powers and throw together a statistical layout with standard deviations and such, but I think football knowledge will suffice.

From today, look at the number of teams that are basically "set" at QB for atleast the next 5 years.

Arizona Cardinals - Kevin Kolb (yes)
Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan (yes)
Baltimore Ravens - Joe Flacco (yes)
Buffalo Bills - Ryan Fitzpatrick (yes)
Carolina Panthers - Cam Newton (yes)
Chicago Bears - Jay Cutler (yes)
Cincinnati Bengals - Andy Dalton (yes)
Cleveland Browns - Colt McCoy (yes)
Dallas Cowboys - Romo (yes)
Denver Broncos - Tebow??? Orton??? (maybe)
Detroit Lions - Stafford (yes)
Green Bay Packers - Rodgers (yes)
Houston Texans - Schaub (yes)
Indianapolis Colts - Manning (barring a non-injury recovery (yes))
Jacksonville Jaguars - Gabbert (yes)
Kansas City Chiefs - Cassel (maybe)
Miami Dolphins - Henne?? Moore?? (no)
Minnesota Vikings - Ponder (yes)
New England Patriots - Brady (yes)
New Orleans Saints - Brees (yes)
New York Giants - Manning (yes)
New York Jets - Sanchez (maybe)
Oakland Raiders - Palmer (maybe)
Philadelphia Eagles - Vick (yes)
Pittsburgh Steelers - Rape burger (yes)
San Diego Chargers -Rivers (yes)
San Francisco 49ers - Smith (maybe)
Seattle Seahawks - Jackson/Whitehurst (no)
St. Louis Rams - Bradford (yes)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Freeman (yes)
Tennessee Titans - Locker (yes)
Washington Redskins - Grossman / Beck (no)

So basically from the current NFL teams there is basically,

3 Teams that desperatly need a QB.

5 Teams that maybe need a QB.

Which falls into the 2-3 QB's taken in the first round a year.
 
MRojas4 said:
With all due respect, not really sure what kind of research you are searching for?

It's common sence that there is usually only 2-3 QB's worth taking so early in the draft. (1st round) and most teams are either set at QB for a good 10 years or HC prefer to go after veterans since they do not have the time to develop a QB for fear of loosing their job.

Sure, I could use my rocket science powers and throw together a statistical layout with standard deviations and such, but I think football knowledge will suffice.

From today, look at the number of teams that are basically "set" at QB for atleast the next 5 years.

Arizona Cardinals - Kevin Kolb (yes)
Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan (yes)
Baltimore Ravens - Joe Flacco (yes)
Buffalo Bills - Ryan Fitzpatrick (yes)
Carolina Panthers - Cam Newton (yes)
Chicago Bears - Jay Cutler (yes)
Cincinnati Bengals - Andy Dalton (yes)
Cleveland Browns - Colt McCoy (yes)
Dallas Cowboys - Romo (yes)
Denver Broncos - Tebow??? Orton??? (maybe)
Detroit Lions - Stafford (yes)
GreenBayPackers - Rodgers (yes)
Houston Texans - Schaub (yes)
Indianapolis Colts - Manning (barring a non-injury recovery (yes))
Jacksonville Jaguars - Gabbert (yes)
KansasCityChiefs - Cassel (maybe)
Miami Dolphins - Henne?? Moore?? (no)
Minnesota Vikings - Ponder (yes)
New England Patriots - Brady (yes)
NewOrleansSaints - Brees (yes)
New York Giants - Manning (yes)
New York Jets - Sanchez (maybe)
Oakland Raiders - Palmer (maybe)
Philadelphia Eagles - Vick (yes)
Pittsburgh Steelers - Rape burger (yes)
San Diego Chargers -Rivers (yes)
San Francisco 49ers - Smith (maybe)
Seattle Seahawks - Jackson/Whitehurst (no)
St.LouisRams - Bradford (yes)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Freeman (yes)
Tennessee Titans - Locker (yes)
Washington Redskins - Grossman / Beck (no)

So basically from the current NFL teams there is basically,

3 Teams that desperatly need a QB.

5 Teams that maybe need a QB.

Which falls into the 2-3 QB's taken in the first round a year.
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How can you suggest Ponder, Gabbert and Locker make their teams set???? :lol:
 
It's true, more successful QBs come from the first round than anywhere else
 
The Confessor said:
How can you suggest Ponder, Gabbert and Locker make their teams set???? :lol:
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True lol. I'd say Matt Cassel and Colt McCoy are a little iffy too. McCoy has done some good things, but even Browns fans know that he's not a qb that's going to carry the team to a Super Bowl.
 
Batroc said:
True lol. I'd say Matt Cassel and Colt McCoy are a little iffy too. McCoy has done some good things, but even Browns fans know that he's not a qb that's going to carry the team to a Super Bowl.
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I'd actually welcome Colt McCoy right now. I bet you millions of dollars he would've seen and hit Lex in the flat on 3rd and inches and would've seen Clay without anybody within 15 yards in the endzone....That's the thing he brings is vision and a very accurate arm...not very strong, but within 20 yards, he's deadly accurate
 
The Confessor said:
I won't argue this, but I WILL argue that the 1-1 is a bust much more often than not, and it's not even close.

Hell, the more successful at any position comes in the 1st round...except if you pick a kicker like the Jests :lol:
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with the new CBA, missing on a player at the top of round one doesn't hurt the cap like it used to. imo, all the more reason to get your QB in the first. Because if you miss, you can just keep picking at the top until you get your guy.
As far as the original premise of this thread, I think the reason that teams haven't gone QB in the first often is because:
-there aren't that many great ones to begin with
-once you hit on one, you don't need to invest a high pick on another for a long time
 
The Confessor said:
How can you suggest Ponder, Gabbert and Locker make their teams set???? :lol:
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I'm not stating that the team is "set", but I am stating that their particular team will not be drafting a first round QB or a "relevant" QB in the next 5 years.
 
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