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Tebow on the Trade Block, Miami Dolphins a possibility

So you don't think he has any potential as a FB or TE conversion prospect?

i think he has short yardage ball carrier potential...you go to that well too much though and he'll be on ir...guy takes way too much contact...as a lead blocker i think you'll end up with scrambled eggs...te conversion prospect the only thing that remotely says that to me is how he fared in the combine test relative to the position...personally i think the odds he can block in the pros and run routes and all that are pretty much nil...

but the bottom line is none of these conversion things warrant a $6.3 mil GUARANTEED if you trade for him payout...if you ask for a position change or you keep him at qb best case he's a developmental project...who trades a pick and takes that money on for a developmental 3rd qb or a position change project???

no one with a lick of sense...only way you even fathom taking that money on is if you think this kids got high end qb potential...only way...
 
If anything he will sale jersey's and put people in the empty seats...... I would take Tebow over CH anyday.

Im sorry but your a crappy fan.. Who cares about jersey sales and empty seats? I for one with probably everyone else on this board cares about winning and not jersey sales. Dolphins already sell out every game even if half the stadium is for the opposing team.. actually about 1/4 of the stadium goes for the opposing team unless its the steelers or something. I should know ive been a season ticket holder for the past 3 seasons about to make it 4. Ive said it before im not a chad henne fan although i hope he out performs his previous years which i believe he will, but in no way shape or form is TIM TEBOW better the Chad Henne as of now! So if you wanna buy tebows jersey than more power to you.
 
what i do if i'm miami...i wait for him to get cut...if he doesn't oh well...i don't care...if he does i offer him 2nd year base vet minimum salary whatever that number is with some incentives for on field play...maybe have some kind of incentive for a qb thing he's likely never to hit anyways...and i make sure that he's ok with me if i bring him in possibly telling him to change positions...if he says no conversations over go with god tim...if he says yes come on in to camp...

bottom line though is he's not getting guaranteed money from me in any capacity...if someone else wants to pony up guaranteed money for nothing more than a project in any capacity knock yourselves out
 
That Wildcat is ****. Let it go, man. If the Wildcat was so effective, other teams would be using it more than what they do. By the time everyone had figured out our Wildcat, we were down to using it SIX times a game. What the hell are we going to do the other 60 plays we might run during a game? You dudes have got to let that Wildcat die already. We need to be attacking the middle of the field in the passing game and throwing the football downfield like every other team in the league who gets to the playoffs and Super Bowls.

You aren't winning anything with smoke and mirrors.

It would be a different Wildcat now, friend. R BROWN was no passer. R WILLIAMS was even worse. And then there's the weaponry, isn't there?

The THREAT of the pass play MUST be there to make the Wildcat effective. As soon as teams figured out that BROWN was really a very lousy passer, THAT was THAT.

TODAY (not yesteryear, mind you), MIAMI has a young HB who played a lot of QB in college. This is w/o even MENTIONING Denver's TEBOW, who's even better. The O-Line's deeper and better than the crapola bunch that MIAMI was stuck with due to injury last season. The man replacing R WILLIAMS as the motion man out of the Left side "slot" is R BUSH (Remember him? The "home run" threat?). Instead of a pass-challenged "trigger man" (BROWN), you have D THOMAS/T TEBOW (if MIAMI could get him cheaply) and THAT matters A LOT. Given that much, it'd be a waste to put HENNE at Left WR like MIAMi did when PENNINGTON was the QB, because the pass-threat, i/m/o absolutely necessary to the success of any "Wildcat", would ALREADY be there. SO PUT MARSHALL IN THERE INSTEAD. Everyting else (remaining personnel, unbalanced Line) remains the same, except that we have a for-real OC as well.

Assuming that the threat to pass was legit (and I believe that it would be), what would an opposing DC do? Crowd the l/o/s in the hope of containing TEBOW/THOMAS and BUSH? Then what about FASANO, now that a talented passer's throwing the football? And while PENNINGTON wasn't much of a threat to do anything unless they could get him the ball in position to pass, what would a DC now do about MARSHALL at Left WR instead of PENNINGTON? And who covers whoever it is that replaces COBB? And what if that person is GATES?

NO ONE has had the opportunity to run the Wildcat w/a LEGIT passer as the "trigger man", lightning in R WILLIAMS' role, and WRs who can really burn you badly when there's someone to get the ball to them. MIAMI is about the only team that has that fomula within its grasp TODAY. It would only get better w/TEBOW. And all I can say is, either w/ or w/o TEBOW, "Why NOT us?".

As to how many times/game MIAMI would run its Wildcat, the answer is simple: as long as the other team can't stop it. If you need a more precise answer, go ask N.E. and BELLICHEK: maybe they can give you one.
 
what i do if i'm miami...i wait for him to get cut...if he doesn't oh well...i don't care...if he does i offer him 2nd year base vet minimum salary whatever that number is with some incentives for on field play...maybe have some kind of incentive for a qb thing he's likely never to hit anyways...and i make sure that he's ok with me if i bring him in possibly telling him to change positions...if he says no conversations over go with god tim...if he says yes come on in to camp...

bottom line though is he's not getting guaranteed money from me in any capacity...if someone else wants to pony up guaranteed money for nothing more than a project in any capacity knock yourselves out

If he's cut he'll go through waivers, first off.

Otherwise, I think you're overestimating the value of that guaranteed contract. Six million isn't all that much, spread out as it is over several years. The Dolphins have carried Philip Merling's fairly equivalent contract for years and it hasn't gotten in the way doing anything. Besides, if you switch his position, you might convince him to restructure, especially after the first year.

The key, for me, is getting him to buy in. That's why I would have to make it clear to him (before the trade) that he would never, ever be a quarterback for me. And he would have to buy in. For all the fawning everyone does over Tebow's impeccable character I'm not sure he does the switch with any enthusiasm (especially at first), or really buys into the fact that his career as a quarterback is completely and totally over. I have some big reservations about that.

But I think he has the physical talent to be a natural conversion prospect, and that's worth something. And as for him getting turned into "scrambled eggs", I just disagree. He's no more likely to get turned into scrambled eggs than any other powerful runner, and he already showed the toughness to keep getting up playing in the SEC. It's not like being a quarterback where it's hard to play if your right arm hurts or you have some cobwebs upstairs. A FB or TE plays with that sort of stuff all the time. I would think the last thing you would have to worry about with Tebow is his toughness or physicality.
 
Forget Wunderlic scores and game film. He's wearing jorts...what does this tell you about his decision making skills?

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Those sandals are pretty awesome too.
 
Forget Wunderlic scores and game film. He's wearing jorts...what does this tell you about his decision making skills?

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You realize we get royalties every time you make this reference, right?
 
If he's cut he'll go through waivers, first off.

Otherwise, I think you're overestimating the value of that guaranteed contract. Six million isn't all that much, spread out as it is over several years. The Dolphins have carried Philip Merling's fairly equivalent contract for years and it hasn't gotten in the way doing anything. Besides, if you switch his position, you might convince him to restructure, especially after the first year.

The key, for me, is getting him to buy in. That's why I would have to make it clear to him (before the trade) that he would never, ever be a quarterback for me. And he would have to buy in. For all the fawning everyone does over Tebow's impeccable character I'm not sure he does the switch with any enthusiasm (especially at first), or really buys into the fact that his career as a quarterback is completely and totally over. I have some big reservations about that.

But I think he has the physical talent to be a natural conversion prospect, and that's worth something. And as for him getting turned into "scrambled eggs", I just disagree. He's no more likely to get turned into scrambled eggs than any other powerful runner, and he already showed the toughness to keep getting up playing in the SEC. It's not like being a quarterback where it's hard to play if your right arm hurts or you have some cobwebs upstairs. A FB or TE plays with that sort of stuff all the time. I would think the last thing you would have to worry about with Tebow is his toughness or physicality.

it doesn't matter how you spread it out...that $6 mil is still $6 mil on your cap no matter how you slice it...lock and load guaranteed...over years or whatever its still there...at least thats the way i understand it...lets say he only makes it a year with ya you still got to pay that remaining guaranteed money and it goes against your future cap...i would think that would be the case

as for the part about not being scrambled eggs...yeah...we disagree...he runs to contact doesn't have enough wiggle to not take big shots in a downhill capacity...he's tough no doubt...so he'll try and run thru a wall for you...but i just don't think especially trying to convert him to a te or a lead fb its worth even attempting...short yardage and goalline bring him in like your 3rd rb and tell him to drop his pads and go north and south and he might survive...might
 
i was wondering about something...if tebow is cut and he has to go thru waivers if someone picks him up during that waiver process do they have to pick up whatever the terms of his contract with denver were??? i think they do...and i don;t see a team picking that up unless he's the #2 qb...

so to me assuming my ducks are in a row on that if he clears waivers than i show interest...otherwise no thanks
 
i was wondering about something...if tebow is cut and he has to go thru waivers if someone picks him up during that waiver process do they have to pick up whatever the terms of his contract with denver were??? i think they do...and i don;t see a team picking that up unless he's the #2 qb...

so to me assuming my ducks are in a row on that if he clears waivers than i show interest...otherwise no thanks

Hoops you are forgetting what you also get for free as a bonus.

You get the "Tebow Thing", media circus, jersey sales, Tebow "man crush" followers, jean shorts, and last but not least, the "Start Tebow" chants every week.
 
Hoops you are forgetting what you also get for free as a bonus.

You get the "Tebow Thing", media circus, jersey sales, Tebow "man crush" followers, jean shorts, and last but not least, the "Start Tebow" chants every week.

there's no doubt he's way more hype than substance at the nfl level...he's the tyler hansbrough of pro football
 
The Tebow circus alone is enough to keep him off the roster even if he plays for free. You could have a QB playing at an all pro level and the Tebow knuckleheads will be chanting his name and booing the starter. It's a sick joke how his supporters act.
 
seriously, why not?

I don't agree with you at all and yet completely agree all at the same time. What a conundrum.

I would love to have Tebow- play for the U. He's a baller but not an NFL QB.

Though, you're so right I don't even have the vocabulary to accurately describe it. Given the state of our franchise, why the flock not?
 
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