The Day After - Still blown away by timeouts

[NBP81]

I just dont see how anyone would have been able to form a rational argument as to why he should have called a TO. It just doesnt hold up logically. Some choices arent black and white and those are controversial because both sides have a legitimate argument. That TO call was wrong in a very concrete, black and white sense.

Yup! and this accounts for pretty much every decision made in the last 3 minutes of the game...

 

[cleezy13]

I just dont see how anyone would have been able to form a rational argument as to why he should have called a TO. It just doesnt hold up logically. Some choices arent black and white and those are controversial because both sides have a legitimate argument. That TO call was wrong in a very concrete, black and white sense.

Again Im not disagreeing with you but just saying that what people would have said. Let alone if you noticed grimes fell down on that 4th down he was all over jordy until he fell Id be hard pressed to think he wouldn't of batted down that out route. If he doesn't fall this is never a discussion and Philban isn't getting bashed for it and looks like he made a good decision, which this board would have def been saying as well if Grimes stays on his feet period end of story.

Finnagan still a complete idiot though such an easy play rodgers lucked out.

 

[nick1]

He panicked. We already have a quote saying Philbin lost his nerve on the 3rd and 9 play and told Lazor to run the ball. He called the 4th down timeout which was the killer of the two timeouts. The TO before the TD was on the players. Look at Rashard Jones calling the timeout from accross the line of scrimmage

 

[Dolfan23]

I have no support for Philbin, just this one decision which I believe was the right one.

Agreed that's how I feel as well.

 

[Dolfan23]

Nope, because if they somehow score a TD there the offense still has around a minute left to score a FG. Philbin literally took the WORST possible strategy in that spot. Any other scenario would have been better than calling a TO there, short of them successful defending the play on 4th down. As the results showed, our odds of successfully defending the 4th down play weren't any better with the timeout call.

Nope what? Okay so we've got a minute to try and go down and get a FG. That sounds like a great situation for us to be in, trailing by 3 and praying we can drive down the field for a FG after we couldn't pick up a 1st down on our last possession. Just because YOU think it's the worst possible strategy, doesn't make it a fact. And just because it seems like there are some foggy memories here, our rested players were able to chase Rodgers out of the pocket, nearly sack him and if it weren't for Grimes slipping he would have likely broken the pass up and the game would be over.

 

[roy_miami]

You can't look at philbin historically and believe his ceiling of mediocrity buys him the benefit of the doubt. In the context of yesterday's game they were absolutely asinine decisions. If GB had a TO in that 4th down situation they would have called it. It was a gift. Momentum was entirely on the side of the D which had just forced the 4th down. The TO will always be a larger advantage to the scrambling offense in that situation. It was indefensible. This stand you're taking to justify it seems deeeply misguided.

He calls it Kodaking, he's done it on many occasions in the past every other time resulting in wins for us, and every other time was against what will be hall of famers including a scrambling type QB. Yes Green Bay would have called a timeout but long before 9 seconds left on the playclock, they were lined up and ready to go, we might have saved them 4 seconds at most, and likely only one or two.

So do you have a problem with kodaking in general or was there something about that specific situation? Either way we're 3-1 when using this strategy, no way in hell is it mindnumbingly stupid. Sparano calling a timeout on a turnover is an example of mindnumbingly stupid. This, if you could run this out over a million iterations, would likely be a 50-50 deal one way or the other.

 

[roy_miami]

NO! the pass protection showed it! Look at how many guys they put on Wake!
EDIT: You know what, Im not going to keep arguing with you over this, its not even debatable. add that the the whole body of decisions made in the last 3 minutes of the game and nothing makes sense, you add them all up and its pure chaos with no logical line of thinking... Philbin had no clue how to end the game and its painfully obvious...

Lolz. It certainly is debatable. In fact, this is what you guys remind me of:

Call heads Philbin, call heads!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOO, NOT TAILS YOU MORON!!!!!!!!!

OMG IT CAME UP HEADS, I ****ING KNEW IT WOULD BE HEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIRE THIS MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[roy_miami]

I have no support for Philbin, just this one decision which I believe was the right one.

Its not right or wrong, and even if there was a "right" choice its not "right" by much and I'd like to see somebody come up with a shred of evidence to justify that position. Like always, the most controversial coaching decisions tend to be nothing more than a pure flip of the coin.

 

[tylerdolphin]

He calls it Kodaking, he's done it on many occasions in the past every other time resulting in wins for us, and every other time was against what will be hall of famers including a scrambling type QB. Yes Green Bay would have called a timeout but long before 9 seconds left on the playclock, they were lined up and ready to go, we might have saved them 4 seconds at most, and likely only one or two.

So do you have a problem with kodaking in general or was there something about that specific situation? Either way we're 3-1 when using this strategy, no way in hell is it mindnumbingly stupid. Sparano calling a timeout on a turnover is an example of mindnumbingly stupid. This, if you could run this out over a million iterations, would likely be a 50-50 deal one way or the other.

Nobody is attacking "kodaking" itself.

In baseball there are times when intentionally walking a player is sound strategy. There are other times it clearly isnt.

If you cant wrap your head around the very simple fact that we improved GB's situation, I cant help you. To put it another way...what do you think GB would rather we have done there? Would they have rather for us to call a TO or make them snap it hurridly? I think anyone with common sense knows the answer to that question and really thats the only question that matters.

 

[roy_miami]

Nobody is attacking "kodaking" itself.

In baseball there are times when intentionally walking a player is sound strategy. There are other times it clearly isnt.

If you cant wrap your head around the very simple fact that we improved GB's situation, I cant help you. To put it another way...what do you think GB would rather we have done there? Would they have rather for us to call a TO or make them snap it hurridly? I think anyone with common sense knows the answer to that question and really thats the only question that matters.

Allow me to retort: If you can't wrap your head around how calling the timeout could be beneficial to our defense, then I can't help you.

 

[tylerdolphin]

Allow me to retort: If you can't wrap your head around how calling the timeout could be beneficial to our defense, then I can't help you.

I can quite easily wrap my head around that. But, like I said its not really important. If something helps you a little but helps your opponent a lot...

The Packers would want us to take that TO every time. No question. It improves their odds more than ours.

 

[Spesh]

Allow me to retort: If you can't wrap your head around how calling the timeout could be beneficial to our defense, then I can't help you.

Im sure our defensive players we're thankful for that breather, that walk into the tunnel after a loss can be exhausting.

 

[SkapePhin]

Roy is so deeply entrenched in the Cult of Philbin that I fear there is no hope for him, sadly...


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[Hayden Fox]

The first TO of "kodaking" was completely stupid on their part. The Packers were reeling, scrambling after a sack. They were running around knowing the game was on the line. The Fins had the "MO"…and they call a TO to allow the Packers a mental break to get their heads together for one last play…

There is NO EXCUSE for that TO. It was at best over coaching. At worst, it was a blunder to help lose the game.

 

[roy_miami]

I can quite easily wrap my head around that. But, like I said its not really important. If something helps you a little but helps your opponent a lot...

The Packers would want us to take that TO every time. No question. It improves their odds more than ours.

That is your opinion that it helped us a little and them a lot. Clearly the coaches have a different opinion. I don't have an opinion at all, like I said it would be like trying to form an opinion on if its better to call heads or tails. But the coaching staff is 3-1 now when kodaking and 0-1 when not kodaking, so do you have any evidence beyond that win/loss record that could clear the matter up and convince me its not a virtual coin flip scneario?