"The Deep Ball"

[PHINZONER]

Neither is a starter! Plain and simple. Screw the Feeley crap screw the Gus crap!
Until AJ steps up and quits making bad mental errors, he is the pine rider. Yes he looked better on Sat. But if you remember last year, the stupid mistakes turn into a very very quick 6 if you know what I mean. Saban and Linehan would rather give Gus the chance to work on his timing than just throw ill advised passes.

I agree that if Gus does not start hitting the deep ball, he should be benched. I would have him on a short leash. It is better to have a guy that gives his team a chance to make the play than not to have the chance at all. AJ needs to step it up and work a little OT and get this system figured out. Work w/ the young guys after practice. Show that he really wants the gig. If the had the same work ethic of a Manning, the gig would be his. He should have been studying Minnesota film for months to understand the scheme. Linehan I am sure would have put the extra time in.

 

[NJFinFury2004]

No. Throwing the ball down the field and taking the shots will allow you to make the explosive plays an offense needs to make to be successful. If you are afraid to attempt those throws, then the big plays will be markedly decreased.

You guys haven't learned anything from the Jay Fiedler era, when we couldn't go down the field even when we wanted to because of his pop gun arm. Now, we have two guys with above average arms. One is willing to make the throws. The other would rather dump it off to the running back for a 3 yard gain.

This is exactly why I prefer Gus over AJ right now. Gus looks much more relaxed in the pocket than AJ does. AJ is pressing to hard and trying to make things happen. What you say is OH so true. When you have at least the threat of throwing the BALL DOWNFIELD, you open up the entire offense, this includes the short passing game that the person who started this thread loves so much.

Just as you mentoned the "Jay Fumbler" ERA, teams would cheat up againts us all the time, making running the ball, sweep and throws to the TE'S and backs more difficult.

Throwing the DEEP ball is not up for debate. This has to be done at least a few times a game. It's the QB who is throwing the BALL. So far Gus has looked better than AJ and the players feel that way also. Randy Mac supports Gus.

I don't think anyone dislikes AJ, don't get us wrong here and we would all love to see him develope into the QB we traded for, but so far that hasn't happened and Gus gives us a better chance to make big plays, thus enabling the short passing game and running game to open up. Simple.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

What's the use of having WR's like Chambers and Boston if you're not going to try and hit them deep???...

Frerotte is trying to open up our offense, and even when it's not successful, it sends a clear message to the opposing defenses. "You take our passing game lightly, and we'll throw it deep"....

I've seen tons of drops when Frerotte has started this pre-season. I've also seen some QB mistakes as well. I do know one thing, if you don't try and go deep, you'll never connect regardless. Linehan is trying to mirror what they did in Minny, and Chambers is a good comparison to Moss in this offense IMO.

Feeley has looked like a soldi starter over the last two weeks, but his pocket awareness when faced against starters is very bad. That's what gets him into alot of trouble when comparing him to Frerotte IMO....

An easy sack on Feeley looks like a near miss on Frerotte just because he knows how to slide in the pocket. Feeley gets creamed everytime he sees a guy coming at him, and more often than not, it causes him to make a poor decision, and throw a pick....

I like Feeley's short game, and when he has time to throw, he does well. It's in the eye of the a strong pass rush where he screws up everytime....

PHINZ RULE!!!!

You have to actually connect on a deep ball or two before you send any message to the defense. They'll let you chuck it all day as long as they are pretty sure you can't hit anything.

 

[PHINZONER]

I t will come! If he hit Randy "IN STRIDE" he can hit D Bo and CC in stride. He worked alot longer w/ Moss than he has w/ these 2. In time if he can not develop it(like working before and after practice) he should be cast into the bin of wish it could'ves!

He needs to show the desire to want to fix it as bad a as Felley needs to show the desire of wanting to play! Neither seem to want it that bad!

 

[Predaphin]

Sometimes I sit back and trip out at the fact that Fiedler could never survive in Linehan's system

 

[flounder97]

I thought Frerotte had the advantage already? Isn't that a tacit admission that Feeley is better than Frerotte?

I said that neither is clearly better (you have to read all the words in the post, preferably in the order they are written). You think AJ is getting a raw deal, fine, but the coaching staff feels that Gus is better, therefore Gus starts.

 

[Wildbill3]

All this Feeley talk... Im sorry... Im haning my hat on what the coaches are going to do.... not what fellow fans want.

In the NFL.. coaches and players are paid to win. Not develop...All this talk about Feeley not being given a chance... he's been in the league 5 yrs... 5 chances.... dont make excuses for not winning a spot. You get your throws, make the most of them.

Saban and Linehan will decide. Its come down to Long Ball Boy.. or Touchy Feely Passes!...hahahaha!

5 chances? how do you figure? Are you here to tell us that Feeley had a shot in hell at unseating McNabb? that is crazy talk. While we are at it, I am sure Gus had a real shot at making Culpepper a backup, and Hatchett was 10x better than Randy Moss. Give it a rest, the only chance Feeley has had to start was last year, in the Rick and Wanny Circus, or that Scott mitchell really was better the Dan, what were we thinking letting detroit sign that dude? That is one chance, and he wasn't exactly put into a situation where any QB would've been successful.

5 chances, that's rich.

 

[finfan54]

I've seen this stupid phrase tossed around here so many times the past two days. Most of Frerotte's supporters, now having absolutely nothing to hang on to, suggests that he's better because he's willing to throw the vaunted "deep ball." Well, as it stands now, Frerotte's longest is 44 yards and Feeley's is 36. Not a big difference there.

Think about it in terms of horse racing. Suppose you've got a guy who goes to the track every week and bets on the longshot frequently. More often than not, he loses. He'll probably come out ahead 20% of the time. Then you've got another guy who usually takes the safe bet, and almost always wins. Maybe he'll come out ahead 80% of the time. He might not win big, but he'll win.

This is an interesting parallel to Feeley and Frerotte. Some people are just A.J. haters, and won't give him credit no matter what he does. Feeley has a very strong arm, and I'm sure he could overthrow his receivers just as well as Frerotte. Some of you continue to amaze me with your inability to grasp this simple fact:

Inaccurately heaving the ball downfield will lead to more losses than victories.

im not an AJ hater like you are a Guskateer........or whatever lame *** line you got on him.....I really do not care if we start Feeley because I think Saban would come to regret it later. The obvious will come out once Feeley would have to be the guy week in and week out and over the long haul. It is then that the truth would come out. Can you say Rob Johnson?

 

[finfan54]

5 chances? how do you figure? Are you here to tell us that Feeley had a shot in hell at unseating McNabb? that is crazy talk. While we are at it, I am sure Gus had a real shot at making Culpepper a backup, and Hatchett was 10x better than Randy Moss. Give it a rest, the only chance Feeley has had to start was last year, in the Rick and Wanny Circus, or that Scott mitchell really was better the Dan, what were we thinking letting detroit sign that dude? That is one chance, and he wasn't exactly put into a situation where any QB would've been successful.

5 chances, that's rich.

while we are on the subject of "long ball". why is it that Gus connected with Randy Moss no problem when he came in for Culpepper? Its because he had a WR who can get downfield in a hurry and get to that damn ball. I hate to say it, but our recievers arent very good at doing that.

 

[flintsilver7]

while we are on the subject of "long ball". why is it that Gus connected with Randy Moss no problem when he came in for Culpepper? Its because he had a WR who can get downfield in a hurry and get to that damn ball. I hate to say it, but our recievers arent very good at doing that.

It's also because Randy Moss can somehow catch almost any ball thrown his way.

 

[dolfanmark]

I t will come! If he hit Randy "IN STRIDE" he can hit D Bo and CC in stride. He worked alot longer w/ Moss than he has w/ these 2. In time if he can not develop it(like working before and after practice) he should be cast into the bin of wish it could'ves!

He needs to show the desire to want to fix it as bad a as Felley needs to show the desire of wanting to play! Neither seem to want it that bad!

Frerotte had more than 1 pass attempt in exactly 3 games in 2 years at Minnesota. Let's not make it sound like he was regularly hooking up with Randy Moss.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

5 chances? how do you figure? Are you here to tell us that Feeley had a shot in hell at unseating McNabb? that is crazy talk. While we are at it, I am sure Gus had a real shot at making Culpepper a backup, and Hatchett was 10x better than Randy Moss. Give it a rest, the only chance Feeley has had to start was last year, in the Rick and Wanny Circus, or that Scott mitchell really was better the Dan, what were we thinking letting detroit sign that dude? That is one chance, and he wasn't exactly put into a situation where any QB would've been successful.

5 chances, that's rich.

exactly my point.. could make the A-team then.. cant make the A-team now... why are you protecting such a subpar talent. face it... AJ is NOT the FUTURE....
Dont lose sleep... AJ or Gus will both start at some point this season.

 

[Bigbucks24]

I take it you're a Feeley hugger???...I'm not, but I have hope for him....

Let's face the facts here folks. Neither one of these QB's are going to scare anyone with their talents. This year it's going to be all about moving the chains, and playing smart football at the QB position....

Right now, I would have to say that although Frerotte has struggled the last two weeks, he's still less mistake prone than Feeley has proven to be. Feeley is what he is....a 3rd string QB dressed up like a starter.....

I hope he does well, and wins the starting job base on his progress and understanding of this offense, but I still don't see anything to provide enough proof that he has come that far yet...

PHINZ RULE!!!

Are you arguing for Feeley? Because in your last argument, I thought you said you liked AJ's short, safe passes.