The Dolphins and Bills are a lot alike...

[feelthepain]

Yes Ive heard of Reggie Howard. I just read a thread on this site earlier today
saying he'll be the nickel corner. travis Daniels will probably be a good corner in the near future. We had a second year corner last year (T.McGee) who early in the season was getting burned for long pass plays. Young corners take time to develop. Is Eric Moulds as old as dirt? He's 31 years old. He still caught over 80 balls last year. I;m not going to regurgitate everything I said earlier other than I agree 100% with Tatonka.

You.... agree with a bills fan????What a shock!! I'm sure you'll agree with anything that lifts your team from obscurity. But why would you want to compare your team 9-7 to a a fins team 4-12??? As for the corners, just because players need to develop doesn't mean they will or won't. That staetment is rather vague. I'm not saying Daniels will start but he could turn out to be a player and there is no written rule saying a player can't rise to the level of the competition just because he's a rookie. Did you think Big Ben was gonna win 15 games last year??

 

[feelthepain]

I see you are once again ignoring my posts when you have no answer to my questions. Since the bills couldn't beat a back-up team , does it mean that the pats shouldn't be champs because they couldn't beat a 4-12 team that the bills happened to sweep?

Big difference genius, 1) Fins/Pats rival game. Steelers/Bills not.
2) Not a playoff game or implication of a playoff game for either team.
3)Neither team played their backups instead of their starters. Miami beat the Pats because they were a better team then the 4-12 record indicated. The Pats came in overconfident and it cost them, they could have lost Brady for the playoffs because Miami T'd off on Brady. You keep believeing Miami is a 4-12 team well the record may have been 4-12 but the talent wasn't 4-12.

 

[MDFINFAN]

Oh no don't let the fact that you have so much love for Tatonka stop you, please enlighten me with your football knowledge!! I'm curious to see what you really think of this team. Besides I'm sure you will say things about this team that the players themselves wouldn't agree with. They had one hell of a stretch of bad luck last year a stretch I hadn't seen a team go through ever, as a matter of fact the press was writting all the time about the fins misfortune. But I'm sure you'll come back and tell me how the fins have little to no talent and we should be lucky to see 5 wins this year, while your at it why don't you predict a SB run for the Bills i'm sure tatonka would like your @** kissing even more.

Bottomline, when I do analysis, I do this from a "real" standpoint, when I do "I hope" analysis, I do it from my heart..there's a difference. I saw some things that I would disagree with in his post and I make it known...if you think his post is accurate, then more power to you..but don't get mad if I disagree, I do think tatonka in this instance was more accurate..Deal with it. :D

 

[WILLIS21]

You.... agree with a bills fan????What a shock!! I'm sure you'll agree with anything that lifts your team from obscurity. But why would you want to compare your team 9-7 to a a fins team 4-12??? As for the corners, just because players need to develop doesn't mean they will or won't. That staetment is rather vague. I'm not saying Daniels will start but he could turn out to be a player and there is no written rule saying a player can't rise to the level of the competition just because he's a rookie. Did you think Big Ben was gonna win 15 games last year??

By agreeing with Tatonka, I'm basically saying when everything is said and done
the bills and the dolphins will prolly have the same record. I'm not the one wearing rose coloured glasses. How is agreeing with Tatonka lifting my team from obscurity? They did finish 9-7 last year. Not exactly bottom feeders.

 

[feelthepain]

Bottomline, when I do analysis, I do this from a "real" standpoint, when I do "I hope" analysis, I do it from my heart..there's a difference. I saw some things that I would disagree with in his post and I make it known...if you think his post is accurate, then more power to you..but don't get mad if I disagree, I do think tatonka in this instance was more accurate..Deal with it. :D

I don't have to deal with it because you're wrong so you deal with it. My thoughts are also based on facts not hopes. Just because a teams record is is 4-12 doesn't mean the talent is 4-12. Seems to me you base everything on us being like the cards or 9ers, We wouldn't have been as good as we were over the last five years if we were like either of those teams. One bad year is not enough to convince me we are 4-12 but you seemed to be mired in the opinion we are. I read enough garbage from the bill fans how about a little faith a belief in your team or are you really a Bill fan acting like a fin fan?? Just because you have faith in your team doesn't make you a homer, but betraying your team and falling into the propaganda from the worthless bill fans makes you a turncoat in my book. I can't wait to see what you write when the fins play like they are capable of playing given a fair chance.

I'm sure it will be something like..."I knew were weren't a 4-12 team...Go fins!!"

 

[feelthepain]

By agreeing with Tatonka, I'm basically saying when everything is said and done
the bills and the dolphins will prolly have the same record. I'm not the one wearing rose coloured glasses. How is agreeing with Tatonka lifting my team from obscurity? They did finish 9-7 last year. Not exactly bottom feeders.

What was the avg. win per season over the previous 5 years!! Your team has one avg. season and now what, division champs??

 

[Crisis]

FTP and Dominizzozozozozo should form a club.

 

[MDFINFAN]

I don't have to deal with it because you're wrong so you deal with it. My thoughts are also based on facts not hopes. Just because a teams record is is 4-12 doesn't mean the talent is 4-12. Seems to me you base everything on us being like the cards or 9ers, We wouldn't have been as good as we were over the last five years if we were like either of those teams. One bad year is not enough to convince me we are 4-12 but you seemed to be mired in the opinion we are. I read enough garbage from the bill fans how about a little faith a belief in your team or are you really a Bill fan acting like a fin fan?? Just because you have faith in your team doesn't make you a homer, but betraying your team and falling into the propaganda from the worthless bill fans makes you a turncoat in my book. I can't wait to see what you write when the fins play like they are capable of playing given a fair chance.

I'm sure it will be something like..."I knew were weren't a 4-12 team...Go fins!!"

FTP, I don't have a beef with you, but I don't have to play homer, or none of that, if I agree with someone, I agree, you can't prove I'm wrong with what we done at this point, because we haven't don't anything, but if we had to put up facts, I think there's more to support Tatonka's post at this point. Now once the season starts, all bets are off. Then we get the reality of this team, but before we claim this and that, don't you think the team has to demonstrate it? Just a little bit? :D

 

[feelthepain]

Then Pain, with that ideology, you would have to say that the Fins weren't one game away from the playoffs two years in a row wwith Wanny at the helm.... even when the went 10-6. That would ALSO be wrong! You're logic escapes me dude...

We have talent what we were missin is coaching. Not as long as Wanny was here we weren't a Playoff team. We were good enough talent wise but coaching was piss poor. I never said we were a playoff team unless we were in the playoffs. I did say we were a good team foe a long time, up until last year. I still believe we are a far more talented team then the Bills and with the coaching here now we have a chance late in the season to win something we didn't have with Wanny.

 

[Ed (Bills)]

Is feelthepain really 39 years old? That's sad. I like how in his first post he goes on and on about how much better the fins are going to be and then says, but if they struggle it will be because they're learning a new system. The season hasn't even started and you're already making excuses and trying to cover your tracks.

As for losing to the steelers back-ups, how does that happen? Have Drew Bledsoe as your starting qb. With everything on the line, Bledsoe flat out sucked. Our defense got 3 turnovers and even returned one for a TD. McGahee was good for 2 TD's also, and what did Bledsoe do? Fumbles the game away giving the Steelers another 7 points. Every time you need Bledsoe to be at his best, he gives you his worst.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Is feelthepain really 39 years old? That's sad. I like how in his first post he goes on and on about how much better the fins are going to be and then says, but if they struggle it will be because they're learning a new system. The season hasn't even started and you're already making excuses and trying to cover your tracks.

As for losing to the steelers back-ups, how does that happen? Have Drew Bledsoe as your starting qb. With everything on the line, Bledsoe flat out sucked. Our defense got 3 turnovers and even returned one for a TD. McGahee was good for 2 TD's also, and what did Bledsoe do? Fumbles the game away giving the Steelers another 7 points. Every time you need Bledsoe to be at his best, he gives you his worst.

your animated give makes it looks like 24 is turning that guy into a ball.

 

[Mike13]

For what it is worth, I think the dolphins made some good moves in the draft and especially with the coaching change. I see them as very very similar to the Bills this season.

The real questions for both teams are:

1. Can the Offensive line improve and be effective. While each team has questions at different positions, the line as a whole is overall the most critical part of a team. Bad line = bad team no matter how much talent, Good line = team looking better than it is..

2. Can the young qb lead the team. Neither qb will have to dominate a game. Neither qb will have to be Dan Marino or Jim Kelly.. they will simply have to be good enough to not lose the game and make a couple key plays throughout every game. They must also keep the mistakes to a minimum.

3. Can the running game dominate people? Both teams will need their run game to be the focus of the offense, due to questions at the qb/line positions. Both teams have talented enough backfields to dominate, Imho.

Both defenses are good. I think the Bills is better obviously, but I dont think they are an elite defense yet, despite their #2 ranking last season. Elite to me is when you always stop the other team when you need to, and the Bills couldnt do that against Pittsburg in the final game of the season to go to the playoffs.. The Dophins defense is always good, at a minimum. I think Saban might improve it by letting your guys attack more, which was always the problem in my opinion.

thoughs?

Yeah in those ways they are similar, good post.

 

[feelthepain]

FTP, I don't have a beef with you, but I don't have to play homer, or none of that, if I agree with someone, I agree, you can't prove I'm wrong with what we done at this point, because we haven't don't anything, but if we had to put up facts, I think there's more to support Tatonka's post at this point. Now once the season starts, all bets are off. Then we get the reality of this team, but before we claim this and that, don't you think the team has to demonstrate it? Just a little bit? :D

No, I think the fins have earned a little breathing room over the last 16 years to give them the benefit of the doubt, in my book. I've watched too many fin games and seen the improvements this team has made to believe they are a 4-12 team. I watch Ricky quit, D.Bo,T.Bo,L.Chester, miss the whole season. I watch DW sink to an all time low in coaching. I saw four Hurricanes disrupt more then three weeks of trainning camps, I saw a HC give his favorite QB the job over a young hungry QB willing to lay his boddy on the line for a team that by the end of the seson had faith in him and who should have been the starter from the start. I saw a whole new Oline take the field for the first time as a team last year with three weeks of camps missing from there resume. I saw too many thing go wrong last year to think it was lack of talent that made us a 4-12 team.

Believe what you want, I don't care but I this is a team with more talent and upside then the Blls. A bills team the did next to nothing to uprade their Oline running game, TE (injury), or D. And still they will be as good as the fins after only one avg. season in many years. I don't see it. They won't sweep us this year. With a rookie QB, no depth at RB, and no improvement to the left tackle spot how can they be copaired to the fins?? We have a veteran QB, we are deeper at RB then I have every seen in my life, we have some really good prospects at both tackle positions and one of the best Oline coaches in the game. Not to metion a first rd pick from last year battleing for a spot on the oline. No we are not similar at all to the bills. I think our WR's,TE's and RB are better. Thats not being a homer. Thats reading a ton of reports and opinions from experts.

 

[Dogtag14450]

I wouldn't call a team taht couldn't beat the steelers backups a hair away from missing the playoffs...but you can.

By the same token ...what do you call a 4-12 team that beat the world champs in one of their 4 wins? Get my point? Cheet happens.....yah know!!!

 

[Justasportsfan]

Big difference genius, 1) Fins/Pats rival game. Steelers/Bills not.
2) Not a playoff game or implication of a playoff game for either team.
3)Neither team played their backups instead of their starters. Miami beat the Pats because they were a better team then the 4-12 record indicated. The Pats came in overconfident and it cost them, they could have lost Brady for the playoffs because Miami T'd off on Brady. You keep believeing Miami is a 4-12 team well the record may have been 4-12 but the talent wasn't 4-12.

So tell us with your ininite wisdom, if the fins aren't a 4-12 team, what record did they have? Someone call the NFL, they screwed up by giving the fins the 2nd pick of the draft w/ a 4-12 record.