The Dolphins and Bills are a lot alike...

[MDFINFAN]

No, I think the fins have earned a little breathing room over the last 16 years to give them the benefit of the doubt, in my book. I've watched too many fin games and seen the improvements this team has made to believe they are a 4-12 team. I watch Ricky quit, D.Bo,T.Bo,L.Chester, miss the whole season. I watch DW sink to an all time low in coaching. I saw four Hurricanes disrupt more then three weeks of trainning camps, I saw a HC give his favorite QB the job over a young hungry QB willing to lay his boddy on the line for a team that by the end of the seson had faith in him and who should have been the starter from the start. I saw a whole new Oline take the field for the first time as a team last year with three weeks of camps missing from there resume. I saw too many thing go wrong last year to think it was lack of talent that made us a 4-12 team.

Believe what you want, I don't care but I this is a team with more talent and upside then the Blls. A bills team the did next to nothing to uprade their Oline running game, TE (injury), or D. And still they will be as good as the fins after only one avg. season in many years. I don't see it. They won't sweep us this year. With a rookie QB, no depth at RB, and no improvement to the left tackle spot how can they be copaired to the fins?? We have a veteran QB, we are deeper at RB then I have every seen in my life, we have some really good prospects at both tackle positions and one of the best Oline coaches in the game. Not to metion a first rd pick from last year battleing for a spot on the oline. No we are not similar at all to the bills. I think our WR's,TE's and RB are better. Thats not being a homer. Thats reading a ton of reports and opinions from experts.

FTP, did you read Tatonka's post, in no way did he say we wouldn't be an improve team from last year. He wasn't negative. I'm not saying we won't do good this year, but at this time, this moment right now, Today, I can't say that I disagree with Tatonka's assessment. Actually he's only one of a hand full of Bill's fan that even gave us credit for heading in the right direction..all he's saying is that he sees a lot of simularities in our teams. They were one game from the playoffs last year. That's more than what I would have given the team. But because of the history of this franchise, we all are saying that last year does not make the totality of this team...but at the same time, this team has got some things to prove..and that's done on the field, not in this forum..here we can dream, debate, hope, laugh, cry, fuss, but it doesn't change one thing on the field for the team. I'm a phin fan dang it, and of course I want to see them succeed. But I'm not going to say something just to say it, if I don't have evidence to support it. The truth is, none of us knows what this year's team is going to do. As phin fans we hoping for playoffs, we have rosecolor glasses on, even if we don't say that here, but when it comes to serious analysis, some of us like to take them off, so that we may make a more accurate assessment...something like what Saban's doing, thats why he tweats the personnel, he knows he needs a couple of things as he watched the practices. Do you think if we were set he would be trying to get L. Schulter in here? Do you think the Poole injury didn't hurt the team some? Do you think Chester slow recovery didn't prompt Saban to spend next year's 5th on Wright. There's questions, we're looking at them and Saban's trying to solve them.

 

[Justasportsfan]

We have talent what we were missin is coaching. Not as long as Wanny was here we weren't a Playoff team. We were good enough talent wise but coaching was piss poor. I never said we were a playoff team unless we were in the playoffs. I did say we were a good team foe a long time, up until last year. I still believe we are a far more talented team then the Bills and with the coaching here now we have a chance late in the season to win something we didn't have with Wanny.

So it was that talent that was in charge of going 4-12 last year since Wanny was gone. :huh:

 

[Justasportsfan]

I don't have to deal with it because you're wrong so you deal with it. My thoughts are also based on facts not hopes. Just because a teams record is is 4-12 doesn't mean the talent is 4-12. Seems to me you base everything on us being like the cards or 9ers, We wouldn't have been as good as we were over the last five years if we were like either of those teams. One bad year is not enough to convince me we are 4-12 but you seemed to be mired in the opinion we are. I read enough garbage from the bill fans how about a little faith a belief in your team or are you really a Bill fan acting like a fin fan?? Just because you have faith in your team doesn't make you a homer, but betraying your team and falling into the propaganda from the worthless bill fans makes you a turncoat in my book. I can't wait to see what you write when the fins play like they are capable of playing given a fair chance.

I'm sure it will be something like..."I knew were weren't a 4-12 team...Go fins!!"

Haha! What facts? You haven't brought any other than your OPINION they were a better team than their record. 4-12 is a fact. Not your hopes.

 

[Justasportsfan]

What was the avg. win per season over the previous 5 years!! Your team has one avg. season and now what, division champs??

what does 5 years ago have anythng to do w/ this year team? So who was in charge of those 10-6 wins? Wanny or the talent that got you to 4-12.


You are facing the same posts that you faced when you tried your logic in billszone. NO ONE AGREES W/ YOU. YOU ARE ALL ALONE w/ your logic.

 

[BLUEPHIN]

In analyzing the defense you forgot to mention your going from Surtain to a 5th round rookie. Saying your O-Line is "much better" is really stretching things. Also your Wr's are not better than Buffalo's it's probably a wash.
I agree with Tatonka, the teams are both similar in alot of areas.

:baghead: yes, I agree with a ....a....a few....bill...fans...

 

[Tatonka]

Oh no don't let the fact that you have so much love for Tatonka stop you, please enlighten me with your football knowledge!! I'm curious to see what you really think of this team. Besides I'm sure you will say things about this team that the players themselves wouldn't agree with. They had one hell of a stretch of bad luck last year a stretch I hadn't seen a team go through ever, as a matter of fact the press was writting all the time about the fins misfortune. But I'm sure you'll come back and tell me how the fins have little to no talent and we should be lucky to see 5 wins this year, while your at it why don't you predict a SB run for the Bills i'm sure tatonka would like your @** kissing even more.

FTP, i would respond to your long post, but it is post like this that just dont do it for me.. you get way too bent out of shape and start calling names and act out for no reason... it is a shame.. because there were several valid points to your post.. but you start it out with "the fins are WAY BETTER than the bills" just reeks with so much homerism that it makes it tough to read the rest.

 

[Tatonka]

Did you know the Dolphins have 15 more training camp practices then the Bills this year.

that is pretty crazy.. i really didnt know that.. i dont know if i qualify that as a good or a bad thing.. did the bills have more OTAs and offseason practice time or something?

it seems like that many more practices jammed into an already hot and heavy training camp would lead to more fatigue and injury.. but saban is a good coach and he knows what he is doing.. i think you guys got a real steal with him..

i am completely happy with mularkey now.. but i really wanted saban last year. and i wasnt happy to see you bastages got him. :mad:

 

[Tatonka]

I do agree that it is really funny that Buffalo lost that game to a bunch of back ups with nothing to lose but their pride while Buffalo had everything to win. That in actuality they should of dominated that game against a team that should of been much worse then them. However that hugely embarrasing loss does not change the fact they were only one game away from the playoffs. Especially after a really slow start.

i agree.. they laid a huge egg in that game.. but i will be completely and totally honest.. if we win that game, drew bledsoe is still the qb in buffalo.. and i so i dont see the loss as a negative.. just like if miami went 10-6 and made the playoffs, then lost in the first round, and they decided to keep wanny.. would that have been a good thing? na.. you guys came out ahead by suffering last season. so did the bills..

and all the players on the bills are obviously that much more hungry to make amends for that pathetic performance that probably still haunts some of them today.

 

[Wagon Circler]

FTP and Dominizzo...a match made in heaven. Finheaven.

 

[MDFINFAN]

No, I think the fins have earned a little breathing room over the last 16 years to give them the benefit of the doubt, in my book. I've watched too many fin games and seen the improvements this team has .

Check this out FTP: This is honest football being talked...doesn't mean you like your team less.


phins talk thread==by bills fans

 

[DolphinDevil28]

FTP and Dominizzo...a match made in heaven. Finheaven.

What about the Hulkster, brother? :)

 

[Wagon Circler]

The Hulkster should do the atomic leg drop on these silly homers..brother!

 

[catapano]

well lets hope we kick there a** !!!

 

[feelthepain]

FTP, i would respond to your long post, but it is post like this that just dont do it for me.. you get way too bent out of shape and start calling names and act out for no reason... it is a shame.. because there were several valid points to your post.. but you start it out with "the fins are WAY BETTER than the bills" just reeks with so much homerism that it makes it tough to read the rest.

Well you come to this site and get to chat with reasonable football fans, myself included wether you aree or not. Fans like Justasportsfan have to be the worst excuse for a football fan there is. But he/she/it, seems to be the talking head of billszone and I have tried to reason with "it". It's pointless, still when did I call you a name?? When did I call anybody a name. You are allowed to post your opinion and thats what these forums are for. I don't agrre with you opinion. I think you give your team more credit then they have earned and give the fins less credit then they have earned. Everyone seems to think what happend last year is a what will happen this year. I don't need a bill fan to come here and "give the fins credit". I can do that without you.

You love the bills and you even said at some point in your thread that you think the Bills are better then the fins. I disagree, I have taken crap from you from time to time on bills zone. I try to post similar post to the one that started this thread by you, and I get blasted by all "non-homer" Bill fans. I base my opinion of the fins over the last five years, same with the Bills. Why?? for the same reason the bank checks your credit history, because you can't find a trend from just one year. The problem is you bill fans don't do the same because your last five years have been crap, and all you have over the last five years is one avg. season, last year. And as I stated before it's no coinsidence that your Bills have just one above a 500. season. And it came the year Miami had a bad year. Anyone else with half a brain can figure the only reason your team was above 500. was because your hated division rival was not at their best. If we at least split with you last year your only 500. nothing to bragg about. But all of a sudden the Bills are better in your opinion???

It's a game full of numbers, and at the end of last year the bills had the better numbers...not by much but better none the less. Enjoy it, but don't exaggerate your teams ability. And hide behind grey-ish facts. You want to talk about how good the bills are but only if it means last year only. And lets face facts, if I can't bring up two years ago, you can't bring up last year. Why?? Because history is history, it doesn't matter if the season ended yesterday or five seconds ago it's still history. The problem is you have to look at history as a gauge a guideline. And just because you were the better team during the season last year doesn't mean your the better team now.
That why a five years of stats is a more reasonable guidline.

Agree or not, thats up to you. I think the Fins are better a lot better then the Bills and I will be here when the fins win and the Bills lose. "If" I'm wrong I'm man enough to admitt it. We will see if you're the same.

 

[Crisis]

5 wins isn't a big difference? WTF are you on?