Doesnt the fact that our scoring drives use less plays and less time mean that there was a/some chunk play(s) somewhere in the drive?
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do you have a link to this, I'm interested in seeing a full team by team break down, ( what's in bold )
I went to pro-football-reference.com and did the math myself but here is where I found penalties and QB sacks. For the penalties scroll down to Offense and it will show you a lot of overall team stats for all teams. For the QB sacks i just went to passing stats for 2016 and grouped it by team because some teams had more than 1 QB start. The Browns alone had 3 QB's with 18-21 sacks each. Here are the links
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/passing.htm
I know one thing, in my opinion, he looks like a complete idiot with that stupid mechanical robot thing he does after every catch. Generally, I like Jarvis, but there comes a point where is he really worth all this? As many have pointed out he's a slot receiver without speed. Dude can catch and run after the catch I'll give him that, but just because he's the best receiver on our team does not warrant him getting top four receiver money.
Yes most likely, which is the point. People who are against signing Landry to a big deal say that running the offense through him results in long slow scoring drives, or that we can't be a high scoring offense because of it. Yet on average we scored faster than 7 of the top 10 offenses and did it in fewer plays than 8 of the top 10 offenses. I'm not saying he's worth outrageous money, I just don't agree that we can't be a top offense with him a primary target or because he is our primary WR our drives are long and slow.
roy_miami
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Matthews was not a good player during those three years. He played a fair amount and he was not good. When he changed the way he prepared and became a good player he played a lot more.
He was a 7th round pick that was undisciplined (which is one of the reasons he dropped to the 7th round), then he matured and became one of the better receivers in the league by his 4th year. You can choose to look at that as stupid Philbin keeping a great player on the bench the whole time or you can look at it as a developed player, a success story.
Here are our yards per play numbers:
2015
Landry- 1.30 yards per snap
Matthews- 1.27
Parker- 0.89
Stills- 0.78
Jennings- 0.50
2014
Landry-1.11 yards per snap
Wallace- 1.05
Matthews- 0.64
Gibson- 0.59
Hartline- 0.58
Sims- 0.56
(Stills-1.51 yards on each of his 617 offensive snaps in 2014. Which is better by far than any Dolphin receiver.)
2013
Gibson- 1.41 yards per snap on 252 snaps
Hartline- 1.12 yards per on 907 offensive snaps
Wallace- 0.98 yards per snap on 951 snaps
Matthews- 0.86 yards per on 519 snaps
2012
Hartline- 1.21
Bess- 1.05
Matthews- 0.65 (232 offensive snaps)
M. Moore- 0.59 (196 offensive snaps)
This doesn't seem that out of the ordinary to me. You could argue he took an extra season to develop but there was no reason to play him over the guys in front of him, at least not statistically. Hell, we're doing similar with Caroo and Grant now only they are playing way less than Matthews did and they weren't 7th round picks.
bryan
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I think everybody is overthinking this thing based on a couple of million dollars a year. The Fins waste stupid money on players like Alonso and Branch year after year.
Jarvis is a good football player who plays hard. We made him play for cheap this last year so yeah now you have to overpay. That’s what happens in FA when you don’t tear up a contract for a player who has outplayed his deal. Most importantly the guy suits up every week and is ready to go. You let players like Parker walk and pay Juice.
Jarvis is a good football player who plays hard. We made him play for cheap this last year so yeah now you have to overpay. That’s what happens in FA when you don’t tear up a contract for a player who has outplayed his deal. Most importantly the guy suits up every week and is ready to go. You let players like Parker walk and pay Juice.
roy_miami
2020 cant get here soon enough
These are our yards per play numbers from 2012 to present:
2017
Landry 0.99
Stills 0.98
Parker 0.90
Grant 0.68
Caroo 0.48
2016
Landry 1.27
Parker 1.01
Stills 0.91
Caroo 0.24
Grant 0.00
2015
Landry- 1.30 yards per snap
Matthews- 1.27
Parker- 0.89
Stills- 0.78
Jennings- 0.50
2014
Landry-1.11 yards per snap
Wallace- 1.05
Matthews- 0.64
Gibson- 0.59
Hartline- 0.58
Sims- 0.56
(Stills-1.51 yards on each of his 617 offensive snaps in 2014. Which is better by far than any Dolphin receiver.)
2013
Gibson- 1.41 yards per snap on 252 snaps
Hartline- 1.12 yards per on 907 offensive snaps
Wallace- 0.98 yards per snap on 951 snaps
Matthews- 0.86 yards per on 519 snaps
2012
Hartline- 1.21
Bess- 1.05
Matthews- 0.65 (232 offensive snaps)
M. Moore- 0.59 (196 offensive snaps)
2017
Landry 0.99
Stills 0.98
Parker 0.90
Grant 0.68
Caroo 0.48
2016
Landry 1.27
Parker 1.01
Stills 0.91
Caroo 0.24
Grant 0.00
2015
Landry- 1.30 yards per snap
Matthews- 1.27
Parker- 0.89
Stills- 0.78
Jennings- 0.50
2014
Landry-1.11 yards per snap
Wallace- 1.05
Matthews- 0.64
Gibson- 0.59
Hartline- 0.58
Sims- 0.56
(Stills-1.51 yards on each of his 617 offensive snaps in 2014. Which is better by far than any Dolphin receiver.)
2013
Gibson- 1.41 yards per snap on 252 snaps
Hartline- 1.12 yards per on 907 offensive snaps
Wallace- 0.98 yards per snap on 951 snaps
Matthews- 0.86 yards per on 519 snaps
2012
Hartline- 1.21
Bess- 1.05
Matthews- 0.65 (232 offensive snaps)
M. Moore- 0.59 (196 offensive snaps)
Honeybadger08
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I don't get a comparison of Juice to Baldwin to justify a 12-14 Mil contract. In addition to that argument, all the comments about Juice playing tough or his heart, or the fact that he's one of our best offensive players to justify signing him long term. I can't get behind any of it. If we sign him we are looking at more mediocrity as a team down the road. I'm an older adult fan and I'm sick of watching my team make the playoffs 3 times since 2000!!! And in those 3 years, we were one & done!!! Paying a slot receiver, who doesn't get YAC, 12-14 Mil isn't going to make us a super bowl contender. Hell the Broncos are looking to get out from D. Thomas's contract in order to improve their offense. We can't as a team afford to spend that kind of money on a slot guy. It would be one more bad contract in a long line of bad contracts i.e. Suhs, Alonso, Thomas, Timmons, Maxwell, Branch and for that matter Tannehill's bad contract. This team has no leadership and is undisciplined, creating too many penalties. This team doesn't need Landry, it needs blown up!!! You can't fill the holes this team has by signing Juice long term. This teams front office reminds me of the Yankees years ago when they would sign 30 year olds to long term deals like Ellerby. I'm more in the camp of blowing this thing up & building through the draft like the Astros have done.
Honeybadger08
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To add to my previous post. This organization's problem starts with ownership. As owner, why would you not fire our front office, Tbum and Grier. Then hire someone like John Dorsey to turn this mess around. "On June 22, 2017, the Chiefs organization and Dorsey agreed to part ways, this after posting a 43–21 record and three trips to the postseason in his four seasons as GM for the Chiefs."
What does yards per snap reflect in your opinion... I know it's total yards/total snap, but what do you think it means?
Funny, he acts like a 15 year old girl often on the field too... LOL
roy_miami
2020 cant get here soon enough
It speaks to who your teams most productive receivers are. There could be mitigating factors, like the QB is conservative, or has a noodle arm, or the WR is always double teamed, the player is not 100% or whatever, that is up to you to try to decipher. Here are NE's yards per snap numbers for the past few seasons:
2017
Gronk- 1.20
Amendola- 1.16
Cooks- 1.02
Hogan- 0.74
Dorsett- 0.51
2016
Gronk- 1.53
Edelman- 1.26
Amendola- 0.91
Hogan- 0.82
Bennett- 0.81
Mitchell- 0.75
2015
Edelman- 1.32
Gronk- 1.26
Amendola- 1.13
LaFell- 0.78
Dobson- 0.67
Martin- 0.19
2014
Gronk- 1.36
Edelman- 1.21
LaFell- 1.04
Amendola- 0.44
As a test here are the teams with dominate wrs for 2017:
Atlanta
Julio Jones- 1.89
Sanu- 0.93
Gabriel- 0.70
Hooper- 0.67
Hardy- 0.58
Pittsburgh
Antonio Brown- 1.73
Smith-Schuster- 1.30
Bryant- 0.88
James- 0.41
Cincinnati
A.J. Green- 1.26
Erickson- 0.96
Boyd- 0.73
LaFell- 0.63
Kroft- 0.49
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roy_miami
2020 cant get here soon enough
Personally, I think Landry and Edelman are very comparable players. And I don't think the Patriots would hesitate in dumping Edelman if he was asking for the type of money Landry is asking for, even if age wasn't a factor. So we probably should part ways.
We pretty much agree on this then. I don't think it measures ability very well but could be very useful for game modeling IMO...