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the fumble td was frerotte's fault

how did we go from no fumbles in the other games to 5 in the 1st half
 
thecoordinator said:
the steelers showed a "bringing the house" blitz look presnap. gus backpedals and holds on to the ball. gotta be snap bang in that situation. our line is not going to pick that blitz up. gus is what, a 15 year vet? he should know better. even though saban says we blocked the wrong gap on the blitz he knows when a d gives you that look you better get rid of the ball quick. snap bang. snap bang. you cant be back pedaling in a 5 step drop waiting for a guy to get open. throw it at his feet if you have to. just don't do what gus did.
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Uh wrong
 
sports24/7 said:
Come on. Do you really believe that? Gus is in a QB competition and he is going to risk a black mark on his record just to try and let someone make a play? I doubt it. He and Feeley are being judged very carefully by the coaching staff on every play they are in. Nick Saban is not going to take an answer like "It was pre-season and I wanted to let someone make a play" and I doubt Gus would even make a claim like that.
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I'm just sticking up for the guy. Mainly because, You and I both know that Feeley, berlin and rosenfels all would have done the same in that situation. I'm not about getting on people for being human and not making a spectacular decision in preseason. But everyones acting like this was the playoffs and he just blew us the afc championship or something.
 
thecoordinator said:
after watching the replay the original call was about as bad as it gets against a heavy blitz. no max protect and no slant/drag/quick out. the only option on that play was like you said, the quick dump to evans in the flats. what i found interesting is the split end (booker?) looked like he was running a go route. the thing is, it was 3rd and 2 and that's not a typical route for 3rd and short. i think they might have been expecting a little heat and wanted to take a shot deep against cover 0. it almost looked though, the way gus dropped back, that he was expecting booker to read the blitz and run a quick slant, and booker ran his go route and never even looked back, and thats why gus didn't throw it. of course the o line did a lousy job, and even though gus and the wr might not have been on the same page, he should have thrown the ball at booker's feet. that's something a veteran qb does.

in any case the play was a complete disaster from just about every aspect and i hope we don't see this into the regular season.
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I'm telling you, we didn't have a gameplan. No plays have been checked out of. They've run the called play, regardless.
 
I wrote this in another thread yesterday....

On the fumble-TD, there were seven guys lined up on the LOS. Randy and Heath went out on pass patters while Ricky stepped up to block. The Steelers rushed all four LBs and three DLs. They basically flooded the left side.

The OL actually did a nice job on this play with the exception of James Farrior. Everybody slid left and created a nice wall. And Ricky threw an outstanding cut block on 300-pound Aaron Smith on the middle right while Stockar McDougle tried to get over left and pickup Farrior, who was charging what was the A gap.

Stockar actually did get his hands on Farrior. But Farrior was already parallel with him and charging past, getting on Frerotte 1.5 seconds after the snap of the ball and slapping the ball out, just after Frerotte had brought his arm up to throw the endzone fade up top to Booker, who had 1-on-1 with the CB. That's just a really tough assignment for a RT to pick up.

Tough play for the Dolphins. This looked like the result the Steelers had in mind when they drew it up, with three defenders immediately coming in free on the middle/right. Ricky was able to take out the big guy in the 'middle'. The LOLB also was free on the right, but he would not have gotten there.

The Dolphins seemed to have a good play on. Pittsburgh just had a better one.
 
Funny how everyone is blaming Gus for this, but if it had been Feeley, everyone would be lynching the O-line.
 
thecoordinator said:
the steelers showed a "bringing the house" blitz look presnap. gus backpedals and holds on to the ball. gotta be snap bang in that situation. our line is not going to pick that blitz up. gus is what, a 15 year vet? he should know better. even though saban says we blocked the wrong gap on the blitz he knows when a d gives you that look you better get rid of the ball quick. snap bang. snap bang. you cant be back pedaling in a 5 step drop waiting for a guy to get open. throw it at his feet if you have to. just don't do what gus did.
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guess you missed the part when randy mc michael was tossed to the floor like a rag doll:confused:
 
Ive had it! Just put Feeley in for all the whining crybabies already! I cant take it anymore!! BTW, I see it is all coming down on Saban already for a friggin preseason game!!!!! I cant believe my eyes. this really sucks and alot of you are part to blame. Its friggin preseason people!!!
 
texasPHINSfan said:
that said, i think Gus was looking out to his blindside so much he overlooked his right side. if you watch the play Gus was so busy watching the blindside defenders prepping for the blitz, he didn't see the corner sneak off from the right side.
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Are you sure he was not locking onto his receiver?

and what NO pockect presence when a blitzer comes up the middle?

Man, these ole Gus and AJ threads are getting old, by the minute...er...game...
 
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How can anyone blame Frerotte for a missed OL assignment???....

McDougal wiffed on his block, and that caused the hit / fumble. If you want to blame anyone, blame McDougal or Houck.....

This Frerotte bashing has got to end. The way it sounds on this board right now, half the people here didn't even see the play at question. It was one missed block, and something that can be fixed very easily. Stop the panic attacks already....

The overall OL play against the Steelers was not all that bad. This is one of the best DL's in all of football, and considering that, our OL made decent progress last night....

PHINZ RULE!!!
 
BLITZKRIEG said:
How can anyone blame Frerotte for a missed OL assignment???....
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how can anyone expect our line to pick up a 7 man rush? gus fubar'd the situation just like any of our qbs in the past 5 years would have done.
 
How???....

By learning from their mistakes that's how....

Maybe that breakdown the other night helped McDougal realize he's got to be more focused on his assignments. If you have a team that is improving, you learn from your failures, and move forward. You don't dig yourself in deeper....

This Ol thus far as shown much more potential than the one we had on the field in 2004. They may not look much better right now, but they are improving because they believe in what they are doing. This is a different group, under different coaching, and in the end will provide different results...

PHINZ RULE!!!
 
thecoordinator said:
the steelers showed a "bringing the house" blitz look presnap. gus backpedals and holds on to the ball. gotta be snap bang in that situation. our line is not going to pick that blitz up. gus is what, a 15 year vet? he should know better. even though saban says we blocked the wrong gap on the blitz he knows when a d gives you that look you better get rid of the ball quick. snap bang. snap bang. you cant be back pedaling in a 5 step drop waiting for a guy to get open. throw it at his feet if you have to. just don't do what gus did.
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Are you nuts, by the time he got the word "hut" from his mouth, he had like 3 guys on top of him. That is the Olines fault, they couldnt hold a damn block for more than a split second, that is just embarassing. Gus did all he could without being buried about 6 inches under the turf.
 
after further review of the tape i am 100% sure the split-end (i think it was booker) fubar'd the route. gus was expecting something quick, probably a slant, and booker was running a go route and wasn't even looking. if you watch the tape, gus back pedals instead of taking a normal drop, and after only 2 steps starts to turn and bring the ball up to get rid of it like you would against a blitz and throwing a quick slant. but he see's the wr isn't running a slant so he kind of half double pumps to get ready to lay it up there for booker to try and make a play on, but before he can do that he is sacked.

this is cut and dry. booker runs a quick slant and gus makes anything resembling a decent pass and it's a first down. forget about the o line people. there are maybe a couple lines in the entire nfl that can pick up a 7 man rush with only 5 blockers up front. gus tried to make the right play but for some reason he and the wr were not on the same page.

this thread is officially closed. there is nothing more to say.


edit: unless someone finds out why the split end (like i said i think it was booker) did not run a hot route lol
 
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