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The Gary Kubiak Offense: concepts and analysis

OK lets get this thread back on track. Just saw this on Dave Hyde's twitter.

Dave Hyde @davehydesports

Heard Kubiak talks went well for Dolphins OC. Kyle Shanahan interview, not so well. Now comes Ben McAdoo.
 
the issue that i see as possibleis if the o blows up next year under kubiak he is a hot coaching commodity again and next thing you know we are back to square one at oc and asking the qb and o to learn something else new...

he can tell our staff all he wants that he hasno plans to go back to coaching etc but if teams come a knocking gary kubiak gonna bolt...at least that's how i see it...

no doubt in my mind he's the best candidate and made to be an oc but i dont think he sees himself that way over the long term or even short term if possible
 
For Miami, Kubiak is worth it even if its just a one year rental. He'll do wonders for this team.

For Kubiak, being an OC should definitely be something he considers. Worked out pretty well for Ken Whisenhunt.
 
hooshoops said:
the issue that i see as possibleis if the o blows up next year under kubiak he is a hot coaching commodity again and next thing you know we are back to square one at oc and asking the qb and o to learn something else new...

he can tell our staff all he wants that he hasno plans to go back to coaching etc but if teams come a knocking gary kubiak gonna bolt...at least that's how i see it...

no doubt in my mind he's the best candidate and made to be an oc but i dont think he sees himself that way over the long term or even short term if possible
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But if the offense blows up next year and we make the playoffs all of a sudden the OC position at Miami becomes even more attractive...all of a sudden we look like a more stable team with a stable coaching staff and the net to catch a new OC gets much bigger.

I think that makes it worth the risk.
 
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I am not a fan of ideology OCs like Kubiak who stick to their approach. To me that is Sherman-like. But he is the best candidate. Has ton of experience in the league and will command respect.
 
datruth55 said:
But if the offense blows up next year and we make the playoffs all of a sudden the OC position at Miami becomes even more attractice...all of a sudden we look like a more stable team with a stable coaching staff and the net to catch a new OC gets much bigger.

I think that makes it worth the risk.
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this whole thing could easily blow up though if they dont get much more athletic on the oline with the tackles especially...wide stretch with stiffs good luck
 
datruth55 said:
But if the offense blows up next year and we make the playoffs all of a sudden the OC position at Miami becomes even more attractice...all of a sudden we look like a more stable team with a stable coaching staff and the net to catch a new OC gets much bigger.

I think that makes it worth the risk.
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This makes sense and if he turns our offense around he'll be a hot commoditie for HC the next season.
 
mnphinfan said:
Walrus, just wondering why don't you think we have the receiver core to run those route combinations?

Hartline is perfect for the sideline comeback route and he and Tannehill are already money on that play. Gibson and Matthews already run good shallow crossing routes, and for the home run/deep threat we have Wallace running a post. Plus we already have an H-back in Clay who can run the shallow PA pass from bootlegs. To me we are only missing a TE. What are you seeing that I don't?
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Because other than Matthews I don't like our receivers' ability to run after the catch, which is a staple of the WCO. Wallace does well if he has open space but he doesn't run with any power through contact or with much quickness. Hartline is frail through his lower half and seems to prefer falling down (though he's great on the comeback as you point out). Gibson is just not a very special athlete in any respect. Gets what's there and that's it.

Matthews has the kind of thickly built lower half and running instincts to fit in really well. But the rest of the guys are not great fits.

At the same time, any offensive coordinator we're going to hire is going to be a WCO guy so this isn't likely to be a particularly big issue in Kubiak's scheme. But I think if you look at guys like Andre Johnson and Nuke Hopkins and compare them to our guys you'll see what I mean.

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hooshoops said:
the issue that i see as possibleis if the o blows up next year under kubiak he is a hot coaching commodity again and next thing you know we are back to square one at oc and asking the qb and o to learn something else new...

he can tell our staff all he wants that he hasno plans to go back to coaching etc but if teams come a knocking gary kubiak gonna bolt...at least that's how i see it...

no doubt in my mind he's the best candidate and made to be an oc but i dont think he sees himself that way over the long term or even short term if possible
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Good problem to have, though, don't you think?
 
yeah good problem to have as long as they don't make the qb learn a 3rd system in 3 straight years...
 
hooshoops said:
yeah good problem to have as long as they don't make the qb learn a 3rd system in 3 straight years...
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Kubiak's system and Mike Sherman's system are very similar. Remember, Kubiak hired Sherman to be his first offensive coordinator in Houston. The difference is more a matter of emphasis, philosophy and play calling. And... hopefully having better personnel to make it work.

Ben McAdoo would be a bigger transition but even in that case the language would still be WCO.
 
IMO this belongs on the front page if its not already. great work bro.
 
What's the likelihood Kubiak takes a year off? Especially with his health concerns and then put his hat in the ring next year...
 
TheWalrus said:
Because other than Matthews I don't like our receivers' ability to run after the catch, which is a staple of the WCO. Wallace does well if he has open space but he doesn't run with any power through contact or with much quickness. Hartline is frail through his lower half and seems to prefer falling down (though he's great on the comeback as you point out). Gibson is just not a very special athlete in any respect. Gets what's there and that's it.

Matthews has the kind of thickly built lower half and running instincts to fit in really well. But the rest of the guys are not great fits.

At the same time, any offensive coordinator we're going to hire is going to be a WCO guy so this isn't likely to be a particularly big issue in Kubiak's scheme. But I think if you look at guys like Andre Johnson and Nuke Hopkins and compare them to our guys you'll see what I mean.

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Good problem to have, though, don't you think?
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Great thread, Warlus; it's sparked some awesome discourse. I'm with you on Kubiak. He's one of the best offensive minds in the NFL, and a lot of teams try to copy their rushing system, but Shanahan and Kubiak consistently have efficient running games - among the best every year. Give me Kubiak, Jeremy Hill, and a new O-line, and I'll be doing back flips. But I agree with you almost completely about our passing game. I think Wallace is fine, but he has to be the 2nd guy - the one that blows the top off. The lead dog has to be a physical guy who will catch a 20 yard square-in in traffic, and he has to be a strong RAC player. Brian Hartline should be nothing more than a guy you bring in to play boundary in 3-WR sets so that you can put your top guy in the slot.
 
Mikeb1977 said:
What's the likelihood Kubiak takes a year off? Especially with his health concerns and then put his hat in the ring next year...
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He's been interviewing pretty steadily for jobs. Just hasn't gotten one. Sure doesn't sound like his plan is to take a year off. By contrast neither Andy Reid or Lovie Smith interviewed around the league last year so far as I know.
 
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