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BTW...you would think...by the way that this guy and other Heat haters talk about the Pistons-heat series that Detroit won in a sweep....Guess what...they won in SEVEN GAMES with our star player out for one game and limited with an injury in two others...

Again...anybody with a brain knows that a Healthy Heat team would have beaten the Pistons last year.

You people are a joke.
 
Section126 said:
Dude...it is obvious that you didn't even see the game...so I suggest that you be quiet.

Detroit "owning" SHAQ? Are you serious? SHAQ kills detroit...in fact...SHAQ OWNS Detroit.

I also love what you said about Miami not coming up big in crunchtime.... :sidelol: ...more evidence that you didn't see the game......

Hate to break it to you..because I know it is a source of embarassment for New York fans...but the Heat IS an elite team.....anybody with a brain knows that.

Overall....your post was full of BS and inaccuracies......see the games...will ya?
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Miami outrebounded Detroit and shot over 50 % from the field AND STILL LOST. They lost despite D-Wade going off, they lost despite Jayson Williams droppin 20, they lost despite Shaq logging 26. The fact is Ben Wallace owns Shaq in the paint. Shaq managed only 6 rebounds yesteday and including last year's 7 game series he only has TWO double digit rebound games against the Pistons (8 games total). You can whine and cry like a little girl about injuries but they can happen to any team and do all the time. Sorry that the Heat have been plagued more then other teams but that's the name of the game. Since sports exsisted many teams have had to suffer through injuries. Some are more serious then other but don't use that as a crutch to explain why a team with Jayson Williams, James Posey, Wade, Shaq, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton, and Alonzo Mourning is 17-13. The fact is that Shaq isn't the old Shaq and even if the Heat are an elite team as you claim, Detroit owns them, PERIOD!
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
Miami outrebounded Detroit and shot over 50 % from the field AND STILL LOST. They lost despite D-Wade going off, they lost despite Jayson Williams droppin 20, they lost despite Shaq logging 26. The fact is Ben Wallace owns Shaq in the paint. Shaq managed only 6 rebounds yesteday and including last year's 7 game series he only has TWO double digit rebound games against the Pistons (8 games total). You can whine and cry like a little girl about injuries but they can happen to any team and do all the time. Sorry that the Heat have been plagued more then other teams but that's the name of the game. Since sports exsisted many teams have had to suffer through injuries. Some are more serious then other but don't use that as a crutch to explain why a team with Jayson Williams, James Posey, Wade, Shaq, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton, and Alonzo Mourning is 17-13. The fact is that Shaq isn't the old Shaq and even if the Heat are an elite team as you claim, Detroit owns them, PERIOD!
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1. You have to play your best to have a shot against the Pistons. The HEAT pretty much did so, and still lost. The Pistons when they are clicking are TOUGH to beat. Game could've gone either way. This will make for an interesting ECF.

2. You mentioned Jayson, Posey, and Shaq in that 17-13 record, when all of them have had injuries, Shaq specifically. the 17-13 record is not a true potrayal of how this team would be if they started the season healthy, and by mentioning all these players by name, you make it seem that way.

3. I'm sorry, but Ben Wallace doesn't own Shaq. That's a ridiculous thing to say. Wallace gets one block and he owns him now? They started doing double teams a lot in the second half, and that's what cut down his production in the fourth. Also he had been playing more minutes than usual, as Riley is trying to get him back into shape, so he was probably fatigued. No one defensively in this league owns Shaq...PERIOD. The only guy who ever came close to containing (as in keeping him around 20 points per game) the Diesel during Shaq's career was probably Alonzo Mourning.
 
Let me add that this is an 82 game season. The Heat have played 30 games. Let's see what happens with this team after the all-star break. The team is showing much improvement, Riley just took over, everyone is coming back healthy. Excluding the matchups on christmas day, no one really cares as much about the regular season until it gets to about february anyway.
 
TerryTate said:
1. You have to play your best to have a shot against the Pistons. The HEAT pretty much did so, and still lost. The Pistons when they are clicking are TOUGH to beat. Game could've gone either way. This will make for an interesting ECF.

2. You mentioned Jayson, Posey, and Shaq in that 17-13 record, when all of them have had injuries, Shaq specifically. the 17-13 record is not a true potrayal of how this team would be if they started the season healthy, and by mentioning all these players by name, you make it seem that way.

3. I'm sorry, but Ben Wallace doesn't own Shaq. That's a ridiculous thing to say. Wallace gets one block and he owns him now? They started doing double teams a lot in the second half, and that's what cut down his production in the fourth. Also he had been playing more minutes than usual, as Riley is trying to get him back into shape, so he was probably fatigued. No one defensively in this league owns Shaq...PERIOD. The only guy who ever came close to containing (as in keeping him around 20 points per game) the Diesel during Shaq's career was probably Alonzo Mourning.
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Your mistaking Shaq of now to the Shaq of old. Shaq is not the man he used to be. He's always either out of shape or injured. I hear a lot of what if's out of Heat fans but not a lot of what's really going on. Shaq is on the decline and I hate to break the news to u, but no one fears him anymore.


As far as # 2, your right, the Heat have suffered injuries to a bunch of different players and it reflects their record somewhat. With that said though, when I made that statement I WAS taking their injury's into account. The Heat should have a better record without Shaq then they had. Jayson Williams went down, you had an all-star backing him up in Payton. Shaq goes down and you have Zo ( a former defensive player of the year, All Star, and Gold medalist) backing him up, Posey goes down and you have Antoine Walker backing him up. Aside from Shaq none of those guys you lost are a major step ahead of the guys backing them up. The drop off was minimal to nothing IMO.


With # 1 all you did was prove my point. The Heat popped the Pistons in the mouth with their best and STILL LOST how can anyone be encouraged by that? The Heat will make the ECF be default, and yeah they'll play tough because it's not like they don't have talent but at the end of the day, when it all comes down to it the Pistons will be moving on and the Heat will be watching from home. The Pistons are in the Heat's head. Even when the Heat are about to have the Pistons in the bag (game 7 ring a bell) the Heat manage to blow it. Everytime the Heat stole momentum last night and Pistons took it back with such poise that there's no way Heat fans can be encouraged. I don't think the Pistons are a better team then the Heat not only right now but in the long run, I KNOW IT. You Heat fans THINK your going to get better, u don't know it!
 
How can you say the Pistons are in the Heat's head? It's not like they got swept out of the ECF. You know as well as I do that the Heat were 90 seconds away from the Finals, only to have injuries ultimately catch up to them. The Pistons were fortunate in that department.

There is a lot of basketball left to be played. The HEAT hasn't gelled yet, which is a possibility you are overlooking to push your argument. The Heat can move up in terms of quality of play and confidence. The Pistons are playing so well that they only have one direction to go, and that's down. There have only been a few teams that have played at that optimum level (the 95-96 bulls for instance) for the entire season.

Let's see if the Pistons can do that. If we were talking bout this game and the Pistons having say....7 losses with about 20 games to go, then your argument holds a lot more weight.

This was a win at home for the Pistons, the best team in the league that is on an 8 game winning streak or something. I don't think a regular season loss in DECEMBER will make a permanent impact on the Heat's season.

Shaq is on the decline, but as much as you refuse to believe it...he is still the most dominate Center in the league. There is NOBODY that can stop him on a consistent basis. Find one player that can shut Shaq down now.

I agree with you that the Heat shouldve had a better record, even without Shaq in the lineup for some of those games. However when you practice with Shaq all pre-season and make a gameplan around him, you're gonna have chemistry issues when he gets hurt in the second game of the season. Chemistry is important. Just ask the 2004 Olympic Team. As talented as a team is, if they don't chemically mesh together, they are gonna have a hard time.

If you take Chauncey Billups away for an extended period of time from the Pistons, you'll see them have trouble. When he returns, they will have trouble for awhile as well.

Lots of basketball left...
 
lol at FinsNYanksFan13 becoming a pistons fan cuz the knicks suck dude u should stand by ur team no matter how bad they are
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
Your mistaking Shaq of now to the Shaq of old. Shaq is not the man he used to be. He's always either out of shape or injured. I hear a lot of what if's out of Heat fans but not a lot of what's really going on. Shaq is on the decline and I hate to break the news to u, but no one fears him anymore.


As far as # 2, your right, the Heat have suffered injuries to a bunch of different players and it reflects their record somewhat. With that said though, when I made that statement I WAS taking their injury's into account. The Heat should have a better record without Shaq then they had. Jayson Williams went down, you had an all-star backing him up in Payton. Shaq goes down and you have Zo ( a former defensive player of the year, All Star, and Gold medalist) backing him up, Posey goes down and you have Antoine Walker backing him up. Aside from Shaq none of those guys you lost are a major step ahead of the guys backing them up. The drop off was minimal to nothing IMO.


With # 1 all you did was prove my point. The Heat popped the Pistons in the mouth with their best and STILL LOST how can anyone be encouraged by that? The Heat will make the ECF be default, and yeah they'll play tough because it's not like they don't have talent but at the end of the day, when it all comes down to it the Pistons will be moving on and the Heat will be watching from home. The Pistons are in the Heat's head. Even when the Heat are about to have the Pistons in the bag (game 7 ring a bell) the Heat manage to blow it. Everytime the Heat stole momentum last night and Pistons took it back with such poise that there's no way Heat fans can be encouraged. I don't think the Pistons are a better team then the Heat not only right now but in the long run, I KNOW IT. You Heat fans THINK your going to get better, u don't know it!
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lol geez man fo ro real why do u even care u ain't a pistons fan if they win u don't
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
Man, those Florida schools don't teach punctuation do they!
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Yeah, like putting a question mark at the end of question.
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
. The fact is Ben Wallace owns Shaq in the paint. !
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Okay....I want you to do something.

I want you to post that you know that this statement was insane and knowingly false.

It is the exact opposite. Shaq makes Ben Wallace look like garbage.

I don't know how anybody with a set of working eyes can even make such a ludicrous statement. It is so comical that even Charles Barkley at Halftime of the game said "Putting Ben Wallace one on one with Shaq is a joke."

A quick question......

Which team in the last 4 years does Shaq have the highest scoring average against? (Stat from TNT)

Which team did Shaq average the most points against LAST SEASON?

Which team did Shaq have the highest FG% against LAST SEASON?

Ben Wallace is crap...all he does is rebound...he can't score...he doesn't even block shots anymore and he can't defend good post players.....

All he is IS A GREAT REBOUNDER with an afro gimic that gets him press.....

Charles Oakley in his prime was ten times the player Wallace is.

It just makes me warm and fuzzy to see SHAQ make him look like crap everytime they play.
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
As far as # 2, your right, the Heat have suffered injuries to a bunch of different players and it reflects their record somewhat. With that said though, when I made that statement I WAS taking their injury's into account. The Heat should have a better record without Shaq then they had. Jayson Williams went down, you had an all-star backing him up in Payton. Shaq goes down and you have Zo ( a former defensive player of the year, All Star, and Gold medalist) backing him up, Posey goes down and you have Antoine Walker backing him up. Aside from Shaq none of those guys you lost are a major step ahead of the guys backing them up. The drop off was minimal to nothing IMO.
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Really, if you dont want to appear so stupid, at least gather some information before attempting to argue with those more well informed. In this case, perhaps watch a few games, mabey some with Payton as the starting point guard, and reform that opinion of yours that he is no major dropoff in talent from JWill. Then mabey you can go onto figuring out that Walker doesnt backup Posey or even play in the same position.
 
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