The new dolphins gm performance rating so far

[claytonduper]

Hickey has done more in this past year than all the years JI was here. I, for one, hope he stays for a decade; as long as he works to build a winner with smart calculated moves. Most appreciated is that fact that he hasn't created a new "hole" in the process of fixing another. He seems to be team player with the organization and the head coach. Interesting to see how is interaction is with Dan Marino.

 

[FinHopeful]

People need to get past this mindset of "we're better than last year that means we did a great job!". What matters is improving more than every other team in the league. And we failed.

Your expectations do not seem realistic. He may have paid too much, but You do not have all of the information to make your evaluations. None of us will know all of the details. I am please with his performance, and I hope I get a chance to see how he does next offseason.

 

[finfan54]

so we haven't even played a game yet and your locked in 4 10? lol

 

[roy_miami]

Hickey needs to land some elite players. I was a bit disappointed in some of his moves in that regard. On what planet can Arthur Lynch become great? .

Lynch is still the move that bothers me most. There were plenty of promising QBs and RBs on the board at that time and we really needed at least an option at backup QB.

 

[roy_miami]

grimes wanted to stay in Miami...thinking hickey was not the reason.

The thing is even if thats true Grimes could have waited a few days before signing to make Hickey sweat at the very least.

My theory is Hickey's negotiation technique is completely different from Irelands. I don't think Hickey makes any attempt to nickel and dime the player to try to get the best possible deal for the team. I think he just offers what he thinks is fair compensation, which is probably refreshing for a lot of players and might even blow some of them away. The risk is you put yourself in danger of paying a guy way more than his worth on the open market but the payoff is hopefully that player feels loved by the organization from top to bottom. No water cooler talk about the prick of a GM playing hardball.

I envision Ireland's negotiation style was more akin to negotiating with those beach vendors in the Caribbean:

Them: $100
Ireland: $1
them: $50
Ireland: $2
them: $20
Ireland: $1...

 

[PhinFan1968]

Do you realize that Finnegan had no agent? He represented himself.

Making stuff up and saying it on the board makes it fact, didn't you know?

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

The thing is even if thats true Grimes could have waited a few days before signing to make Hickey sweat at the very least.

My theory is Hickey's negotiation technique is completely different from Irelands. I don't think Hickey makes any attempt to nickel and dime the player to try to get the best possible deal for the team. I think he just offers what he thinks is fair compensation, which is probably refreshing for a lot of players and might even blow some of them away. The risk is you put yourself in danger of paying a guy way more than his worth on the open market but the payoff is hopefully that player feels loved by the organization from top to bottom. No water cooler talk about the prick of a GM playing hardball.

I envision Ireland's negotiation style was more akin to negotiating with those beach vendors in the Caribbean:

Them: $100
Ireland: $1
them: $50
Ireland: $2
them: $20
Ireland: $1...

Can I ask what you're basing this on?

 

[Phinatic8u]

Can I ask what you're basing this on?

His imagination.

 

[ghost_fish]

Tampa Bay will be super sorry they let this guy go.

 

[andyahs]

Making stuff up and saying it on the board makes it fact, didn't you know?

It does when it suits their agenda.

---------- Post added at 10:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:15 AM ----------

Do you realize that Finnegan had no agent? He represented himself.

Boom!

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[roy_miami]

Can I ask what you're basing this on?

As for Ireland several reasons:
- threatening to make Tannehill re-enter the draft over offset language
- several players protested over compensation including the still woefully underpaid Wake
- Hartline became disgruntled at one point even tweeting about Ireland's lowball offer in the midst of his first 1000 yard season saying something like 'his offer is something I would have thought about in the offseason, its a joke now'

As for Hickey:
- the Grimes deal was very fair, I can't imagine what negotiations would have taken place to get to that number. I think Hickey just offered him that exact deal and Grimes signed it right away. And both men left the office happy.
- we heard rumors that Hickey offered both Starks and Soliai $5 million per deals. I don't know if they were first to sign gets it or just open ended take it or leave it deals but I don't think any major negotiation took place after the initial offer. To be honest I don't think he expected either of them to be back
- it appears as though we overpaid both Moreno and Finnegan as we were apparently the only team courting them and we paid them relatively large contracts considering there was no other interest.

Phinatic8u may be partially right, but at least there is a shred of evidence that their negotiation styles are different. It probably is a lot of wishful thinking though. I think if you're a first round pick and expected to be the face of a franchise you're going to be super excited and a good organization should try to nurture and carry that excitement over into the actual games. You want Tannehill's agent to come back to him with a no brainer "sign on the dotted line this is a more than fair contract and CONGRATS AND GOOD LUCK YOUNG MAN!!!!"

Instead what he got was "welp, looks like your new team wants to play hardball. Don't stress about it too much though dude, but you're probably going to have to miss some of training camp..."

 

[rent this space]

When Hickey's UDFA's are out-performing his predecessor's 2nd & 3rd round picks, it looks pretty good.
Also, I can see elite potential in his 1st and 2nd round picks

 

[DolfanISS]

I read this thread and I think some folks are missing something. I keep seeing some negative nellies saying, "we didn't improve enough". While that may be somewhat true the mistake is overrating the competition. When I looked at the 2013 AFC playoff field I saw New England and Denver then 4 teams that weren't much different from the rest of the conference. I laughed at the idea of anyone betting on Indy in Foxboro and also knew the 3 teams had virtually no shot to beat NE or Denver. While that may hold true for us in 2014 and I understand winning a Super Bowl is the ultimate goal we really weren't and aren't that far behind the fringe AFC playoff teams hat made the playoffs last year. Improving the depth in the middle of our roster may just be enough to get a playoff spot in 2014 because injuries will happen to everyone and depth will win out. Also I'm thinking our deep WR core could pose problems for teams who are thin at DB.

Bottom line, the AFC isn't very good and we can and have beaten the likes of Indy, Cincinnati, SD and KS on any given Sunday (they can beat us too). Let's not act like any of these teams are great especially one because they have the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ as their QB. Speaking of Luck, IMHO he's the most overrated future great player I've ever seen. Yes, he's very good and will have a great career but people talk about him like he's already won the passing title twice and the Colts have won the last 2 Super Bowls. Pump the breaks until he gets through a playoff game without throwing multiple picks. My point is not that I don't think Luck is destined to be great But when I hear some people talk about him you'd think he's already the best of all time.

 

[ChambersWI]

grimes wanted to stay in Miami...thinking hickey was not the reason.

Grimes wanted to stay yes, but give credit to Hickey for sealing the deal. We've had a few guys who were good for us want to stay but Ireland pissed them off during negotiations. You also had a few former players for us (not any good ones mind you but guys with some media experience) openly bashing Jeff Ireland on twitter as the most unprofessional front office employee they had ever dealt with.

As for Hickey, I like what he's done, BUT it's still too early to tell. Ireland (Parcells) made moves early in their tenures we liked early and look where that got us.

As I said in another thread, the difference right now to me seems to be Hickey is at least willing to work with Philbin's vision for what he wants. Philbin and Ireland had different philosophies in what type of player they wanted. If what we have heard about Ireland is true, he'd rather try and force the coaches to use guys he liked rather than find guys they liked. Now you can do that occasionally but you can't do it for every player. The other issue is that Ireland was not willing to take risks early on players he liked and ended up playing the draft too safe. Problem there is safe ends up having low ceilings. The only time he took a risk in the draft was Dion Jordan (and Pat White I guess if we want to include him)

 

[nyashfan]

Agreed. To criticize Hickey for what he paid for Albert is mind-boggling when the real outrage belongs to the contract Ireland gave to Wallace. And some still criticize him for reaching for James. Wow, what a monumental sin as compared with Ireland's maneuvering to land Jordan.

If Saban had drafted Aaron Rodgers with the 2nd overall pick there still would've been complaints that he could've traded down to #20 and still have drafted him.

I like what I see. It's not too early to see that Albert is what we needed. James is who we needed. Landry will be a star, resigned Starks, Grimes. I'm impressed, and yes, out doing JI probably isn't that hard.
About paying Albert-who cares? It's not our money, and if Aponte, the money guru said it's fine, then it's fine.
Hickey has sparked something we needed as fans, that young talent is coming in to make a difference. The Dami(e)n Williamses, Hoskins, Tripp, Mccain, and Landry of course. These are exciting players pushing out the ones who have had a chance, yet could not turn the corner (DT, Thigpen).
I'm less enthused with Philbin (Surprise..) and if he proves to be playoff repellent again, then I'm all for Hickey bringing in Harbau...uh, I mean a new coach.