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The new dolphins gm performance rating so far

my god, where have people been? Dawn is in charge of player contracts.

hickey in charge of roster,draft, ect.

philbin in charge of game day roster,planning.
 
roy_miami said:
As for Ireland several reasons:
- threatening to make Tannehill re-enter the draft over offset language
- several players protested over compensation including the still woefully underpaid Wake
- Hartline became disgruntled at one point even tweeting about Ireland's lowball offer in the midst of his first 1000 yard season saying something like 'his offer is something I would have thought about in the offseason, its a joke now'

As for Hickey:
- the Grimes deal was very fair, I can't imagine what negotiations would have taken place to get to that number. I think Hickey just offered him that exact deal and Grimes signed it right away. And both men left the office happy.
- we heard rumors that Hickey offered both Starks and Soliai $5 million per deals. I don't know if they were first to sign gets it or just open ended take it or leave it deals but I don't think any major negotiation took place after the initial offer. To be honest I don't think he expected either of them to be back
- it appears as though we overpaid both Moreno and Finnegan as we were apparently the only team courting them and we paid them relatively large contracts considering there was no other interest.

Phinatic8u may be partially right, but at least there is a shred of evidence that their negotiation styles are different. It probably is a lot of wishful thinking though. I think if you're a first round pick and expected to be the face of a franchise you're going to be super excited and a good organization should try to nurture and carry that excitement over into the actual games. You want Tannehill's agent to come back to him with a no brainer "sign on the dotted line this is a more than fair contract and CONGRATS AND GOOD LUCK YOUNG MAN!!!!"

Instead what he got was "welp, looks like your new team wants to play hardball. Don't stress about it too much though dude, but you're probably going to have to miss some of training camp..."
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I never understood why so many people liked Dawn and Ireland enforcing the offset language so hard. How often are you going to cut your first pick in 3 years? Is the chump change you're saving by cutting the (hopefully) few busts that aren't even worth keeping around more than a couple years really worth getting into a pissing match with every new first round pick and likely causing them to miss practice time???
 
How can Hickey be criticized for not using free agency to bolster the LB's given the high-priced contracts Ireland gave to Ellerbee and Wheeler? Was he supposed to release them and accept the cap hit?


Irishfinfan1 said:
To build pretty much a whole new oline in one off season is good going and on top of that we appear to have good depth there as well. With a young QB that got murdered last year this was crucial to ensure he doesn't turn into a Carr and lose all trust in his line. Biggest issue addressed. Next biggest issue was the LBs, and in that regard it's really only a few promising rookies we have brought in. The rookie class as of now is looking like one of the best we have had in a long long time, making a difference in training camp and hopefully now that the season starts. Overall very pleased and I hope he is given time to finish the job.
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randomname said:
I never understood why so many people liked Dawn and Ireland enforcing the offset language so hard. How often are you going to cut your first pick in 3 years? Is the chump change you're saving by cutting the (hopefully) few busts that aren't even worth keeping around more than a couple years really worth getting into a pissing match with every new first round pick and likely causing them to miss practice time???
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Ask the heat about how that chump change can come back and hurt you. To save on the luxury tax they got rid of mike miller last offseason and it upset Lebron, eventually that and other things snowballed into him going back to cleveland. Gotta see the forest through the trees sometimes, JI was the guy on acid that saw giant broccoli. I honestly dont know if hickey has been doing well this offseason or if JI was such a miserable GM that we are getting excited over an average offseason. It's been 8 months since he left and im still giggling like a school girl over it.
 
FinHopeful said:
Your expectations do not seem realistic. He may have paid too much, but You do not have all of the information to make your evaluations. None of us will know all of the details. I am please with his performance, and I hope I get a chance to see how he does next offseason.
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None of us know all the details...but we know enough for you to be completely pleased with his performance. Sounds about right.

It always amuses me how "you just dont know!" is always "proof" of a negative but never held against a positive.
 
Spesh said:
Earlier this offseason we worked out Cortland Finnegan. Apparently impressed, Hickey(or his representative) talked to Finnegan's agent. Hickey wanted to sign him to a $5 million deal. Finnegan's agent wanted twice that. After they broke off the meeting and decided to wait a few days while mulling it over rumors started to float around that another team wanted Finnegan. Hickey folded and gave in to Finnegan's demands. The problem? According to reports that came out Finnegan had given his agent a deadline and was willing to sign our offer if we had waited a few more days. Oh, and no other team had actually contacted Finnegan's camp.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but without a credible link or two, I can't concur either. We already know that he was his own agent, so it would be he who was crowing about how he did a number on Hickey. Sorry, but that seems pretty unlikely or dumb for an incoming player, signed on a nice deal to do.. and Finnegan doesn't strike me as stupid. So unless I missed it (and I apologize if I did), this rendition is just convenient hearsay until proven otherwise and should not be quoted or referred to as fact - or possibly used to impugn Hickey until/unless corroborated.
 
finfan54 said:
and lastly the buffalo bills improved....
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Sammy Watkins didnt make the Bills better? :sidelol:

Oh, i concede hes no Daniel Thomas(!!!!), few are, but Watkins seems to have some potential. You know, just a bit.
 
Vaark said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but without a credible link or two, I can't concur either. We already know that he was his own agent, so it would be he who was crowing about how he did a number on Hickey. Sorry, but that seems pretty unlikely or dumb for an incoming player, signed on a nice deal to do.. and Finnegan doesn't strike me as stupid. So unless I missed it (and I apologize if I did), this rendition is just convenient hearsay until proven otherwise and should not be quoted or referred to as fact - or possibly used to impugn Hickey until/unless corroborated.
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First off, as an aside, lets not pretend Cortland Finnegan is the epitome of self-control and savvy wisdom. Moving on:

I admitted a page later i had forgotten about the lack of agent, completely slipped my mind. As for the lack of link point, let me be clear: i completely, unequivocally, 100% support the notion of disbelieving someone unless they provide proof. I am totally on board with that standard and i hope that it becomes a staple of this forum(i have a sneaking suspicion that it wont). Bluntly: I didnt provide a link for that part(and i already know the response even if i were to dig it up: "THE MEDIA LIES!!1!") so feel free to take it with a grain of salt.

Now, the only thing im suggesting of Hickey is that he did a poor job. That was one of 3 examples(4 if you count the guard suggestion) i listed in that post. If people believe we handled Finnegan as well as any other team in the league, then im not inclined to debate over that point. Reaching for a player we most likely could have gotten on a trade back? Paying Albert $10-$12 million more than the next player(depending on who you consider to be "next" best)?
We could have filled the hole at left tackle in a way that allowed us to address multiple positions along the offensive line. We could have filled the hole at right tackle and still kept, or gained, high draft picks in the process. Hickey did not use his resources in the best way possible and it will have damaging repercussions for this franchise in the long run. He made mistakes, perhaps not as damning as Jeff Ireland but those mistakes will hold this team back for years to come. Some of those mistakes include Finnegan, the contract he signed compared to the deal he might have signed, or signing him period. And thats why i disapprove what Hickey did this offseason.
 
Sons of Shula said:
fabricate stories to make it look like they do.
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Consider me akin to the media in that regard. If a story sounds slightly negative concerning the Dolphins: "ITS ALL A LIE AND THEY SECRETLY HATE US!!1!." If a story says something positive about Miami: "wow, that was some fine wisdom right there...wait, who said what about the media? ****, i just wish they'd write about us more."
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
I was not a fan of him as GM. I really didn't like most of his FA signings. Shelley is terrible and he is the only player he brought in on the interior OL until Pouncey went down. I also thought he really dropped the ball not bringing in a LB or two. But I have to admit he did a good job in the draft. Still think we should have traded back in the 1st, but James has turned out better than I thought. I don't see Hickey as having done anything great, but even average is a huge upgrade over what Ireland was able to do in the draft.
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Hard man to please....
 
Solid draft. So far most of the rookies played good at times great!
Landry looking like a favorite Target. Juwan has protected well huge upgrade over Claybones and Kmart-in
Moreno and Williams breaking tackles!
Plus the line held up not giving up too many sacks in the preseason even without the pouncing bull.
It's early though so far it's an 8. Even FeDE looks Beast.
The undrafted rookies McCain and Johnson have showed up.
 
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Maybe it would be prudent to wait to see how the team fare's?

I do like our tackles on offense, and look forward to seeing how the guards pan out. But that's just early observations. Way too soon to declare Hickey anything.
 
Sam played good vs the fins.. maybe san fran or NE, NJ pick him up..
 
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