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The Official 2006 New York Yankees Thread!

Terrible loss yeterday after going up 5-0 then blowing it and losing 6-5. We'd be riding a 5 game streak and be only 2 out going into the break. Oh well it's been a good close to the 1st half and to only be 3 out w/ all our injuries it's been a pretty good 1st half.
 
Our second half schedule isn't too bad either^, I hate when we play the Angels though, and Seattle always gives us trouble.
 
nyjunc said:
Terrible loss yeterday after going up 5-0 then blowing it and losing 6-5. We'd be riding a 5 game streak and be only 2 out going into the break. Oh well it's been a good close to the 1st half and to only be 3 out w/ all our injuries it's been a pretty good 1st half.
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Two ways to look at it.


a) With all of the injuries only being 3 out is a miracle and in the 2nd half the wheels will fall off and this team will just die a slow death.

or

b) WIth all of the injuries the fact they are only 3 out shows how good this team can be when they are healthy and once they start getting guys back and find a rhythem then watch out!

Let's hope for "B". But the 3 key players for the 2nd half of the season are (IN THIS ORDER).....
1) AROD--Must be the monster that he is.
2) Wright--Must continue to give us 5 or 6 quality innings a start
3) Damon---Must stay healthy and at the top of the lineup.

You know what you will get out of Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Wang, Mussina, and Randy. No surprises there. The 3 above MUST carry this team and play to their max levels.
 
You really do have to give the Yankees credit for a good first half with their injuries. You bring up good points Mike. Arod has to step it up big time and not just for 2 games at a time but for the rest of the season. Counting on Wright being good is a risky play and not one a Yankee fan wants to hear but it's true. Damon, the last two years, really stunk down the strench in August, September and October due to all the injuries he piled up. He seems more banged up than usual this year so I wouldn't expect much out of him due to his past and it seems like everyday there's some new injury with him.

I think you forgot another key which is Dotel. If he's healthy he'll be a very nice plus for the Yankee pen, if he's not and the Yankees have to continue to throw Proctor and Farnsworth out there they're in trouble.

I still think the Yankees will make the playoffs because let's face it they're the Yankees and always find a way to win but I just don't think they have the pitching to go far at all.
 
Ray Finkle said:
You really do have to give the Yankees credit for a good first half with their injuries. You bring up good points Mike. Arod has to step it up big time and not just for 2 games at a time but for the rest of the season. Counting on Wright being good is a risky play and not one a Yankee fan wants to hear but it's true. Damon, the last two years, really stunk down the strench in August, September and October due to all the injuries he piled up. He seems more banged up than usual this year so I wouldn't expect much out of him due to his past and it seems like everyday there's some new injury with him.

I think you forgot another key which is Dotel. If he's healthy he'll be a very nice plus for the Yankee pen, if he's not and the Yankees have to continue to throw Proctor and Farnsworth out there they're in trouble.

I still think the Yankees will make the playoffs because let's face it they're the Yankees and always find a way to win but I just don't think they have the pitching to go far at all.
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good points...its good to see a red sox fan giving positive criticism instead of us just trashing each other back and forth :tongue:
 
ShuggieOtis said:
good points...its good to see a red sox fan giving positive criticism instead of us just trashing each other back and forth :tongue:
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Well as much as I like to trash the Yanks you sometimes have to be serious....

I mean you do have to give the Yankees credit and just can't say that it's luck, because it's not they're a good team even with their injuries. They do have talent there even though guys have gone down. I think Melky shocked just about everyone with his skills and has gotten much better with his glove. He has a very good arm and a decent bat too. He's a good 4th OF for the Yankees when everyone is healthy. Phillips has also played very well defensively (which the Yankees need big time because Giambi just takes up space when he plays 1st) and his bat has some pop in it.

I'm a really big fan of Cano's (I know shocking huh?) I think the kid is a very good hitter and could hit 30 homers in YS. Wang is becoming a very good pitcher too, Wang's only problem is is that if he gets guys on base he becomes a very different pitcher and the games he loses is when he puts guys on base and hangs his pitches over the plate instead of keeping the ball down.

Ok I'm done with my love fest for the Yankees.... in closing Farnsworth sucks! :lol: (Come on I had to throw that one in there).
 
The rest of the Yankees season rests on their starting pitching. The Yankees are not a team that can comeback consistantly when their down like they were in the last few years simply because they lack the homerun capability they've had in the past, therefore it's up to the starters to keep them in games and not have to force the Yankees to go to this weak bullpen (which spells disaster). That means there's a ton of pressure on Johnson, Wang, and Moose to consistantly go out and give us 6 or 7 solid innings. I'm confident in Moose and Wang, Randy is really hit or miss (although he's been better lately aside from the Mets game).


With that said the Yankees need another bullpen arm. Proctor, whether over-used or not has used up his 15 minutes of fame being the Yankees 7th inning guy and if Joe Torre has been watching this year he should start using Villone in those situations and should bring up someone else to be the teams long reliever. Farnsworth is another very grey pitcher, he's either on or he's really off but with the money the team paid him this off-season I think their forced to stick with him which may pay off in the end of will blow up in their faces. I'm confident he'll find it.


Another thing people aren't looking at is that the Red Sox are only 6 games over .500 against the American League (the Yankees are 12) and the 16-2 they put up in interleague is why they are where they are, but they won't be playing the National League East beat ons from here on out, so I'm very confident the Yankees will jump them eventually. For both the Red Sox and the Yankees, the series they have left against eachother are huge. Either team will have a chance to really damage the other in those series (I belive there's a 5 game series up in Boston in August and a 4 game at the Stadium in September) so they will be playoff atmospheres when the games take place. I like the Yankees starting pitching better then Bostons (although they will disagree) but I do think Boston's bullpen is better, especially if the young guys continue to step up. That's why I think the Yankees need to get a bullpen arm before the deadline (and another starter if possible). There's a ton of baseball left so anything can happen and let's not forget the Blue Jays, their right on both teams tails. By the way fellow Yankee fans, 3 games back is 3 games back whether the team has injuries or not so therefore that excuse has got to stop. If the Yankees don't make the playoffs I don't want to hear the excuses that they were hurt. The Yankees suffered these injuries in May therefore they have plenty of time to figure out what they have to do to right the ship!


Anyways I know I'm forgetting other points I wanted to make but I gotta run to the gym so I'll probably be on later after dinner where I know Finkle will come back with intelligent talk to make the conversation continue (as usual) and Fin in RI will come on here saying something stupid as usual. Anyways that's just my 2 cents!
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
I like the Yankees starting pitching better then Bostons (although they will disagree) but I do think Boston's bullpen is better, especially if the young guys continue to step up.
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I disagree about the Yankees having a better rotation than the Red Sox. Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield, Lester IMHO is better than Johnson, Mussina (who has come back to earth lately), Wang, Wright.

And I disagree about our bullpen being better. Papelbon has been incredible to this point, but he's a rookie.. he's never done it for a full year, I guess we'll find out if he can. Hansen and Delcarmen have been excellent since being called upon in tight situations, but there's sure to be bumps in the road during the stretch run, will they be able to keep it together? They've only been up for a couple weeks, who knows?

I think the Red Sox bullpen has way more potential than their Yankee counterparts, but until they realize that potential, I don't think you can say they are a better overall unit.
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
By the way fellow Yankee fans, 3 games back is 3 games back whether the team has injuries or not so therefore that excuse has got to stop. If the Yankees don't make the playoffs I don't want to hear the excuses that they were hurt. The Yankees suffered these injuries in May therefore they have plenty of time to figure out what they have to do to right the ship!
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And I applaud you for this.. excellent post!
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
The rest of the Yankees season rests on their starting pitching. The Yankees are not a team that can comeback consistantly when their down like they were in the last few years simply because they lack the homerun capability they've had in the past, therefore it's up to the starters to keep them in games and not have to force the Yankees to go to this weak bullpen (which spells disaster). That means there's a ton of pressure on Johnson, Wang, and Moose to consistantly go out and give us 6 or 7 solid innings. I'm confident in Moose and Wang, Randy is really hit or miss (although he's been better lately aside from the Mets game).


With that said the Yankees need another bullpen arm. Proctor, whether over-used or not has used up his 15 minutes of fame being the Yankees 7th inning guy and if Joe Torre has been watching this year he should start using Villone in those situations and should bring up someone else to be the teams long reliever. Farnsworth is another very grey pitcher, he's either on or he's really off but with the money the team paid him this off-season I think their forced to stick with him which may pay off in the end of will blow up in their faces. I'm confident he'll find it.


Another thing people aren't looking at is that the Red Sox are only 6 games over .500 against the American League (the Yankees are 12) and the 16-2 they put up in interleague is why they are where they are, but they won't be playing the National League East beat ons from here on out, so I'm very confident the Yankees will jump them eventually. For both the Red Sox and the Yankees, the series they have left against eachother are huge. Either team will have a chance to really damage the other in those series (I belive there's a 5 game series up in Boston in August and a 4 game at the Stadium in September) so they will be playoff atmospheres when the games take place. I like the Yankees starting pitching better then Bostons (although they will disagree) but I do think Boston's bullpen is better, especially if the young guys continue to step up. That's why I think the Yankees need to get a bullpen arm before the deadline (and another starter if possible). There's a ton of baseball left so anything can happen and let's not forget the Blue Jays, their right on both teams tails!


Anyways I know I'm forgetting other points I wanted to make but I gotta run to the gym so I'll probably be on later after dinner where I know Finkle will come back with intelligent talk to make the conversation continue (as usual) and Fin in RI will come on here saying something stupid as usual. Anyways that's just my 2 cents!
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I hope that was a compliment.

Anyway that's an interesting thing you pulled out with the Red Sox only being 6 games over .500 vs. the AL and the Yankees being 12 games over. Anyway I found this link and I feel it's VERY interesting:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings/grid

Notice that the Yankees haven't played the White Sox or Seattle yet while the Red Sox haven't played KC, the Angels and Oakland yet. The Yankees are 5-1 vs. Royals, 6-3 vs. Oakland and 2-1 vs. LAA. Oakland and LAA are both pretty good teams but let's face it the Royals aren't so those 12 games over .500 now are only 7 which is a 2 game difference (Note: I'm not taking anything away from the Yankees beating the Royals just making an argument).

Other things I found interesting are that the Yanks have only played the Jays 5 times while the Sox have played them 11. Which is another big factor, especially considering the Sox played them a lot early on. The Sox have beaten up on the O's while the Yankees have barely played them.

Also the Sox have played the fewest home games in baseball (27-10 at home, 26-23 on the road) and when they're at home they're a different team (the same can be said about the Yankees, 26-16 home, 24-19 road). The Red Sox will have more home games in the 2nd half which is to their advantage (yes they had the same advantage last year and couldn't capitalize on it but this is a different team much like the Yankees).

As for the rotations you're right, as a Sox fan I think my rotation of Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield, Lester and ? is better than Johnson, Mussina, Wang, Wright and ?. Lester is a young pitcher so who knows if he could handle the playoff pressures so that's something to look for. Also Wakefield's bad back. With the Yankees its obvious what Johnson will show up, can Wright keep his good pitching up. Both teams 5th starters are just crap so I won't even bother talking about it.

You're dead on with the pen. The Yankees pen is very risky aside from Rivera. Proctor's magic seemed to have ran out, Farnsworth is either Cy Young or Cy-Ea. Villone has been pitching very well recently but can he continue? Myers is Myers. The Sox I feel have a better pen because of their depth and the young kids pitching well. Papelbon has been awesome this year, Timlin is Timlin although I worry about his arm, Lopez is a mini Myers yet not as established yet, Delcarmen and Hansen have really stepped it up. If Delcarmen and Hansen continue to pitch well then getting another reliever isn't a big of a deal. Like I said Dotel is going to be a key to the Yankees success.

There's still a lot of baseball left and although the Tigers have been playing well I don't buy them as a playoff team so I'm looking for the Yankees to overtake them in the WC, with the White Sox winning the Central. That's just my feeling. You just can't count the Yankees out.
 
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