The OFFICIAL "Start Matt Moore next game" Thread

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

This is most frustrating thing about Tannehill, he flashes the ability to beat the top teams in the league but lays an egg against the bottom-feeders. He's been the picture of inconsistency and isn't looking like the answer.
Matt Moore has shown to be consistent in how he only looks good against inferior competition. He hasn't been part of a W against a winning team, let alone a playoff team, since he arrived in Miami.
Neither is looking like a good choice, but I'll take the kid that flashes over the vet that doesn't any day.

moore faced 2 playoff teams in his career with the fins, and while we were 0-2, matt moore was not god awful in those games.

giant game we got out to a 14-0 lead on the road, and then not much rest of the game, and the pats game we got off to a 17-0 lead before going quiet in the 2nd half, aside from a late td in the 4th.

i still do not think 2 games vs playoff teams is a large sample size to say he can not beat good teams, because while we did not get the wins in those games, we were not far off, so its not like its a big gap to close.

tannehil has been consistently bad vs weak teams, whether it was the 37-3 drubbing in 2012 vs the titans, or any bill games u can think of, the jets, the bucs last year, and even the games we do beat the inferior teams, we need to always go down to the final seconds just to eke out a win.

i have said my point why i want moore in over tannehill.

seeing what they both can do, they both take bad sacks, so thats a wash, they both commit boneheaded plays, so that's a wash, but what moore has that tannehill does not, is the ability to stretch the field with his deep ball, and defenses would have to respect that.

defenses know that tannehill is limited in what he can do, so they do not fear the deep ball one bit.

you may say thats not a big deal, but its a major deal, especially when u have a guy who was arguably the best deep ball threat in the nfl with pitt in mike wallace

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Yeah I'd skip over that one too if I was you

not as egregious as u comparing tannehill to a young tom brady with better legs

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In my opinion there's no reason to go to Moore. I like Moore and I'm not gonna bash him. The truth is he isn't the answer or long term solution but he is a solid backup. My opinion is you sink or swim with Tannehill this year.

but y not try and salvage a season if one guy is not working.

u can have ur opinion of what moore is, and maybe that is all he is, but who is to say tannehill is really not that as well? just because he is starting? henne also started a couple of years and never had to face competition, and we were all told the same thing, give henne time, etc, and we all know what henne turned out to be.

tannehill has not really separated himself from henne, its scary, but its true

 

[hoops]

I guess I deserve that right now...but you will just bring up the things that fit your argument...tannehills red zone numbers smoke Hennes from a td percentage rate and that matters a lot more than most of what I've read from your weak ass arguments in here...anyways op said tannehill supporters need not come in here so i will exit now...let you guys dig his coffin already

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

I guess I deserve that right now...but you will just bring up the things that fit your argument...tannehills red zone numbers smoke Hennes from a td percentage rate and that matters a lot more than most of what I've read from your weak ass arguments in here...anyways op said tannehill supporters need not come in here so i will exit now...let you guys dig his coffin already

we r not digging his coffin, he is doing it himself.

when he was drafted by the fins in 2012, everyone wanted him to succeed, no one wants to look for a new qb every 3 years, but he has not done anything to make most ppl believe he has what it takes to be anything more than a low end starter/backup in the nfl, and there is nothing i can even look to in his past to say '' this guy has what it takes to turn it around''.

forget individual stats and wins for a second, how many times do we see tannehill take control in the huddle, audible out of plays, etc, something u always see with the elite qbs? there is no real leadership from him on the field, that is even forgetting the ugly numbers.

cant even look at that as a positive.

 

[Nawledge]

moore faced 2 playoff teams in his career with the fins, and while we were 0-2, matt moore was not god awful in those games.

giant game we got out to a 14-0 lead on the road, and then not much rest of the game, and the pats game we got off to a 17-0 lead before going quiet in the 2nd half, aside from a late td in the 4th.

i still do not think 2 games vs playoff teams is a large sample size to say he can not beat good teams, because while we did not get the wins in those games, we were not far off, so its not like its a big gap to close.

tannehil has been consistently bad vs weak teams, whether it was the 37-3 drubbing in 2012 vs the titans, or any bill games u can think of, the jets, the bucs last year, and even the games we do beat the inferior teams, we need to always go down to the final seconds just to eke out a win.

i have said my point why i want moore in over tannehill.

seeing what they both can do, they both take bad sacks, so thats a wash, they both commit boneheaded plays, so that's a wash, but what moore has that tannehill does not, is the ability to stretch the field with his deep ball, and defenses would have to respect that.

defenses know that tannehill is limited in what he can do, so they do not fear the deep ball one bit.

you may say thats not a big deal, but its a major deal, especially when u have a guy who was arguably the best deep ball threat in the nfl with pitt in mike wallace

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not as egregious as u comparing tannehill to a young tom brady with better legs

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but y not try and salvage a season if one guy is not working.

u can have ur opinion of what moore is, and maybe that is all he is, but who is to say tannehill is really not that as well? just because he is starting? henne also started a couple of years and never had to face competition, and we were all told the same thing, give henne time, etc, and we all know what henne turned out to be.

tannehill has not really separated himself from henne, its scary, but its true

Tannehill is clearly better than henne was and henne was a 4 year starter in college. I'm not even gonna compare stats because tannehills are better. But it whatever man, it's just a matter of opinion at this point.

 

[hoops]

He checked out of plays at the Los all the time last year in the old o...in this o being he's so new to it doesn't look like they give him that opportunity but I don't think foles iis checking out of anything in Philly either to my knowledge...we have built in bubble screens off the read option either inside zone or qb keeps etc predicated off what the d does post snap...he's not audibling out of those sweep calls either...

So what you are talking about right now is more offense oriented than qb oriented and should not be held against him...or be relevant

 

[hoops]

Serious question...does anyone know what kind of offense nick foles played in at zona...I want to see how similar or how much curve was involved for him in picking up the zone read and built in bubbles etc...I seem to think his offense in college was more similar with some things than the one tanny ran under Sherman but if anyone has a legit take I'd like to hear it...guess I can research it

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

He checked out of plays at the Los all the time last year in the old o...in this o being he's so new to it doesn't look like they give him that opportunity but I don't think foles iis checking out of anything in Philly either to my knowledge...we have built in bubble screens off the read option either inside zone or qb keeps etc predicated off what the d does post snap...he's not audibling out of those sweep calls either...

So what you are talking about right now is more offense oriented than qb oriented and should not be held against him...or be relevant

i just want to see him get ****ing pissed out there and basically say ''' **** everyone, im going to go out there and will my team to victory'', like the look a brady or peyton have when they committ a bad play, they look ****ing pissed.

obviously i am not expecting him to play on the field at the level of those 2 guys in there prime, as those r 2 of the greatest , but attitude has nothing to do with skill.

take over like a ****ing leader, yell at teammates if u think they ****ed up, dont be so mellow, its football, i know goodell is trying to make it into a wimp game, but cursing is still allowed for now, i think at least.

 

[Spiff]

tannehill has not really separated himself from henne, its scary, but its true

In his 2nd season, with the worst offensive line in football and no run game, Ryan Tannehill has thrown as many TD passes as Chad Henne has in his last two seasons COMBINED.

Case closed.

 

[hoops]

He's not gonna be a ra ra qb...I just don't think you will ever get it...at least not Til if or when he establishes himself as a legitimate top tier guy one day...which remains to be seen

But can anyone tell me that qb in the Philly o has personality on the field? Hell no he doesn't...

 

[enigmatics]

Serious question...does anyone know what kind of offense nick foles played in at zona...I want to see how similar or how much curve was involved for him in picking up the zone read and built in bubbles etc...I seem to think his offense in college was more similar with some things than the one tanny ran under Sherman but if anyone has a legit take I'd like to hear it...guess I can research it

As a UofA alumn, if my memory serves me correct we brought in a Texas Tech offensive coordinator when Foles was there. Shades of Mike Leach's "air raid" style of offensive football.

EDIT: Ya, Sonny Dykes was the initial OC.

 

[roy_miami]

I think that demonstrates further that this team is pretty damn good minus the QB.

Because while we have been able to beat some good teams when Tannehill has a good game(good game for him which is an average game by NFL QB standards) we can beat almost anyone. Yet, we manage to lose to garbage teams with Tannehill at QB because when he is at his normal ability it completely kills the teams chances of winning.

Good QBs do not have outstanding records vs. playoff teams. You are supposed to lose games to playoff teams for the most part, especially on the road. 6-8 vs playoff teams would be fine if we beat the non-playoff teams 90% of the time. We would win 12 games per season that way. That is why we went 11-5 with Pennington. He provided solid but, not spectacular QB play and we beat all of the teams we were better than on our schedule.

Most "garbage teams" are set up to be the opposite of a team like the New England Patriots, high flying offense meet ground and pound, if we can keep it close we have a chance. But they can just never get over that hump and even when things work out splendidly for them the elite QBs still finds a way to win. So in comes the Miami Dolphins who are set up like the Patriots but we're missing that one key ingredient. We've set ourselves up to be exactly the type of team the Jets and Bills planned for to attack the Patriots. I don't blame the coaches for setting us up like that because the Bills and Jets way clearly sucks also, but the reason we can't beat "garbage teams" is solely because we have a garbage QB.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

In his 2nd season, with the worst offensive line in football and no run game, Ryan Tannehill has thrown as many TD passes as Chad Henne has in his last two seasons COMBINED.

Case closed.

2009-2010, 2 seasons where henne started most of season ( and u want to talk about no weapons, who did we have on our wr core in the 09 season? no one)

dolphins avg 22.5 ppg in 09, and 17.1 ppg in 2010, so avg out those 2 seasons, and the fins under henne were averaging 19.8 ppg.

in 2012 and 2013, 2 seasons in which tannehill started with the fins, we avg 18 ppg in 2012, and 19.8 in 2013, for an avg of 18.9 ppg.

so offense under henne in 2 years scored more ppg on avg than with tannehill, and the records also each year were both poor. 6-10, 7-9 henne, 7-9, 8-8 tannehill.

just pointing it out, as i have said, i think they both suck. u want to say tannehill looks better on the field than henne, ok thats fine, but who cares, that does not say much.

its irrelevant, right now all i said, is the guy who was supposed to be our savior franchise qb, even if u think he has been a tad better than henne, he deff has not clearly separated himself from a guy who everyone, including myself thinks is garbage in chad henne, and that is concerning.

it shouldnt even be the slightest bit debatable at this point, and sadly it is at least debatable

 

[phins_4_ever]

Really dumb argument right here...endorsing padding garbage time stats...why don't you take a look at henne vs tannehills red zone td efficiency numbers head to head and bring up something that actually matters

2014: Red Zone TD%
Henne: 12.8
Tannehill: 10.8

2013: Red Zone TD%
Tannehill: 13.8
Henne: 8.6

2012: Red Zone TD%
Henne: 11.9
Tannehill: 8.3

Just for kicks in 2011
Moore: 15.4

Neither QB is lights out. Average and below average. The top QBs sitting in their 20s and 30s.

If you want to take the QBR in the red zone

2014
Henne: 80
Tannehill 74

2013
Tannehill: 81
Henne: 76

2012
Tannehill 76
Henne 72

Again: both are merely average. The top QBs are well into the 100 rating.

And just for kicks: Matt Moore in 2011 - 87

 

[Dolphin North]

Tannehill is bad, but I would rather stick with him over Moore. With Moore, we basically capitulate the season.

I think people will be surprised with Moore. Too much of his brief body of work is influenced by that streak of games he played with a concussion. Even counting those games he is a bit better than Tannehill. Otherwise, he's a step up.

 

[truedolfan57]

Should have started Moore. Fins would be up 44-7