The OFFICIAL "Start Matt Moore next game" Thread

[SkapePhin]

To be fair though this is exactly what we did in 2011. Offense couldn't score in red zone. Marshall was collecting dust. We switched to Moore and the deep ball comes alive as does our PPG. And Marshall goes to the pro bowl.

My recollection was that Henne actually looked pretty decent that year before the injury. The offense under Henne was going toe to toe with Brady's high powered offense for awhile in the opener but the defense completely collapsed. I need to go back and look at the stats, but Henne was doing better that year under Daboll before getting injured in Week 5.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

]My recollection was that Henne actually looked pretty decent that year before the injury. The offense under Henne was going toe to toe with Brady's high powered offense for awhile in the opener but the defense completely collapsed.[/B] I need to go back and look at the stats, but Henne was doing better that year under Daboll before getting injured in Week 5.

really?

dont know what game u were watching opening night that year, but aside from the 1st drive where henne went 7/7 and hit fasano for a td, the offense was nowhere to be found until the game was way out of reach, when henne threw a for many garbage yds.

the defense did suck that night as well, allowing brady to go over 500 yds passing, but henne was awful that night aside from the opening drive.

 

[Padfoot]

You know what's funny about all this, I am pretty certain if Moore and Tannehill switched situations, and Moore was the one taken 8th overall and Tannehill was the backup who came in and played decent in spot duty, the same people calling for Moore right now would be calling for Tannehill.

It's not about the players themselves, because Moore isn't a noticeably superior QB to Tannehill - it's about the situations. Tannehill isn't living up to his draft status so people just want something different. But in all likelihood "different" won't account for much difference and success on the field of history is any guide.


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I disagree. This isn't about being 8th overall, this is 100% about Tannehill himself. Tannehill has been given patience and slack from the fans despite that 8th overall selection (and rightfully so imo). The problem right now isn't where he was drafted, it's that he is regressing and looks to be the one who is holding the offense back.

 

[SkapePhin]

really?

dont know what game u were watching opening night that year, but aside from the 1st drive where henne went 7/7 and hit fasano for a td, the offense was nowhere to be found until the game was way out of reach, when henne threw a for many garbage yds.

the defense did suck that night as well, allowing brady to go over 500 yds passing, but henne was awful that night aside from the opening drive.

I just went back and checked...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201109120mia.htm

Henne had 416 passing yards, 2 TDs and 1 INT. That's a pretty solid outing.

He dropped off considerably in week 2 against the Texans.

Stats-wise he had decent game in Week 3 against the Browns, but I remember being truly pissed after that game, so it couldnt have been all that great.

And then he got injured in the next game I believe against the Chargers. (I didn't watch that game as I was in Vegas at the time, so I don't recall how he was doing before injury)

 

[DolfanISS]

My recollection was that Henne actually looked pretty decent that year before the injury. The offense under Henne was going toe to toe with Brady's high powered offense for awhile in the opener but the defense completely collapsed. I need to go back and look at the stats, but Henne was doing better that year under Daboll before getting injured in Week 5.

Henne was OK in that game but was the same guy after that. We still sucked in the redzone in fact in that very game we had a huge failure that would have pulled us within 7 points. Matt Moore is no hall of famer but I hope everybody can at least admit he's better than Henne. I can't see how anyone could consider Henne a better QB than Moore.


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[SkapePhin]

I disagree. This isn't about being 8th overall, this is 100% about Tannehill himself. Tannehill has been given patience and slack from the fans despite that 8th overall selection (and rightfully so imo). The problem right now isn't where he was drafted, it's that he is regressing and looks to be the one who is holding the offense back.

So he is the one holding the offense back, but they lead the league in dropped passes?

Look, he hasn't been good this year. Noone can dispute that. But given that it's Week 3 of the first time he is learning a new offense, I think we are being a bit hasty and dumping him altogether. In my opinion he deserves at least half the season to get his sea legs. The only reason this is even an issue right now is because Philbin is desperate to keep his job, just as Sparano was in his final year. Coaches on the hot seat make rash decisions, even when it isn't in the best interests of the team's longterm future.

I am beginning to lean toward Tannehill not being the answer, but I don't think he is a complete lost cause. He showed some good things at times in the past 2 years. Is he capable of putting it all together, I don't know, but 3 games into a new offense, I don't think its fair to gauge it yet.

Regardless, we aren't going on a magical superbowl run with Matt Moore, so I don't see the point in replacing Tannehill with Moore so early in the season.

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Henne was OK in that game but was the same guy after that. We still sucked in the redzone in fact in that very game we had a huge failure that would have pulled us within 7 points. Matt Moore is no hall of famer but I hope everybody can at least admit he's better than Henne. I can't see how anyone could consider Henne a better QB than Moore.


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I never said Henne was better than Moore, just that in that year Henne actually looked decent before his injury. Who knows how the rest of the season would have played out, but its safe to say it probably would have been a similarly disappointing season. Henne has proven not to be an effective starter in this league during his second chance in Jacksonville.

 

[DolfanISS]

At the end if the day I hope Tannehill has a huge game Sunday and we can put this crap to bed for 2 weeks. I can honestly say I'd feel better about the season after a 34-31 loss than I would after a 13-10 win. Don't get me wrong I want the win more but going forward we will get some defensive help back from injury. If we still can't score it won't matter.


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[dlockz]

Shell game with numbers. He's had 21 total starts and a myriad of bumbling coaches stubbornly toying with Henne, Clausen, and Tannehill ahead of him. All three of those choices have shown to not pay dividends.

sounds like a lot of damn excuses,. What about the other 31 coaches in the NFL they must be able to recognize his stellar talent. Moore hasn't paid dividends for any team yet also

 

[SkapePhin]

Another thing about the "Marshall made the Pro Bowl" comment. Even if Moore's performance helped, Marshall seemingly wasn't all that impressed considering he pretty much ridiculed him in post-game comments at the Pro Bowl. Said something to the effect of "It's good to finally play with a real QB". Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Moore by one of his receivers that year.

 

[DolfanISS]

Another thing about the "Marshall made the Pro Bowl" comment. Even if Moore's performance helped, Marshall seemingly wasn't all that impressed considering he pretty much ridiculed him in post-game comments at the Pro Bowl. Said something to the effect of "It's good to finally play with a real QB". Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Moore by one of his receivers that year.

What he said was the pro bowl QB's made it easy for him. Your right though not a ringing endorsement.


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[LANGER72]

based on what. You have never seen him run this offense against anybody but potential grocery clerks.
Moore gives us no better shot to win any division, he just gives us another shot at drafting another qb next year while he once again goes back to being the backup that he is.

If I was running the team I would give him a try. Nothing you or I say really matters. That is why I am waiting this mess out....yet again.

 

[dlockz]

If I was running the team I would give him a try. Nothing you or I say really matters. That is why I am waiting this mess out....yet again.

Well the way its going Moore goes and backups maybe Geno Smith and Tannehi has to fight off a rookie.

 

[DolfanISS]

Well the way its going Moore goes and backups maybe Geno Smith and Tannehi has to fight off a rookie.

If what we see is what we get with Tannehill we should just roll with the rookie you presumed.


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[dlockz]

If what we see is what we get with Tannehill we should just roll with the rookie you presumed.


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As long as it isn't Matt Moore who has had plenty of chance to prove he is a starter in the NFL. You are not just handed jobs , you earn them in practice and preseason.
If he had earned the job and kept in 2012 we might not be having this conversation. He had his chance to impress and ended up on the bench. He had his chance to test free agency and possibly compete for a job and he chose the easy route of sitting on the bench.
Not sure what the fascination is with this guy

 

[DolfanISS]

As long as it isn't Matt Moore who has had plenty of chance to prove he is a starter in the NFL. You are not just handed jobs , you earn them in practice and preseason.
If he had earned the job and kept in 2012 we might not be having this conversation. He had his chance to impress and ended up on the bench. He had his chance to test free agency and possibly compete for a job and he chose the easy route of sitting on the bench.
Not sure what the fascination is with this guy

It's really simple. Despite all that he could be better than Ryan Tannehill just like he was better than Chad Henne even though he backed him up. Like Vick is probably better than Geno Smith. I'm willing to concede maybe Moore comes in and plays even worse than Ryan Tannehill but I can't see how folks can think there's no chance the backup is better than the starter even though it's happened before.


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