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Blake the great said:
you want me to name an amount with no parameters in place? I Guess you arent really serious. All I wanted was to hear why you have Burrow ranked so low and Jordan Love ahead of him.
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You have one hour to place a proper bet here in this thread or your trollish drivel will be gone from my reading material for good.

The parameters are keeping it to something that everyone isn't going to bust a side laughing at like $100k you pm'ed me earlier.

:lol:
 
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If there were to be any bet placed- there absolutely must be some parameters set. That you both can agree on. Hell, I’d like to see it happen, just for the amusement of it all and we’ll see how it plays out in a few years
 
I fear this thread has gone off course a bit...................
 
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Pachyderm_Wave said:
You have one hour to place a proper bet here in this thread or your trollish drivel will be gone from my reading material for good.

The parameters are keeping it to something that everyone isn't going to bust a side laughing at like $100k you pm'ed me earlier.

:lol:
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Youre the one who wants to bet money I just want to hear you say "I was wrong. "

As of right now your "bet" Is childish and completely objective.

Thanks for the show but PM me back when you are serious so we can handle it like men.

And if you want after we agree to the parameters THEN you can post it on this thread to make you feel like a big man.
 
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Awsi Dooger said:
Much appreciated.

I'm seeing J.R Reed and Willie Gay sneaking up on lists like this. Tannenbombs and I were talking about both of them recently. For quite a while I thought I was kind of alone in paying attention to those two. I always look for major college sleepers especially from the SEC and elite programs elsewhere. Reed has the length and wingspan that fits the modern game. But he is 2-3 years older than most of these guys, which will lower his stock.

Given that awesome Mississippi State defense of 2018 I kept thinking there had to be somebody who slipped through the cracks as the program imploded in 2019, dropping an incredible 2.2 yards per play defensively from 4.1 to 6.3.. Gay makes the most sense. He was an elite recruit. He seems to be moving up the lists as steadily as anyone. But there are off the field concerns.

Davon Hamilton is another elite program guy I really like and hope the Dolphins can grab. However they don't seem to have a pick in that spacing where Hamilton figures to go.
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I don't get a chance to watch all the tape on each guy so sometimes my opinion can be influenced (positive or negative) by 1 or 2 tapes. Willie Gay is the perfect example. I soured on him the moment i watched that Louisville game. It was not good. I didn't see instincts. I didn't see good angles. I didn't see 4.46 speed in space. He made a huge hit around the 1:30 mark and nothing of impact again until the 2nd half. If he's free to see ball, run to ball.....he can be good. But he struggles getting through the garbage, get's stuck on blocks and is always late in his read, putting him in chase mode. As freaky as he tested, i expected more in that game.
 
All I know is...

patchy dermatitis is gonna owe me

a shiny new $100 bill real soon!

Oh yeah baby!

:pbj:
 
Blake the great said:
Youre the one who wants to bet money I just want to hear you say "I was wrong. "

As of right now your "bet" Is childish and completely objective.

Thanks for the show but PM me back when you are serious so we can handle it like men.

And if you want after we agree to the parameters THEN you can post it on this thread to make you feel like a big man.
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The parameters are Burrow needs to be doing what quarterbacks that proved they were worth the #1 overall pick do.

Winning OROY and leading their team to double digit wins and playoffs the way Cam Newton and Andrew Luck did, and scoring around 30 touchdowns as rookies.

At least score 24 touchdowns the way Kyler Murray did as a rookie.

Be throwing 30 TD’s and making the pro bowl by year 2 and leading his team to the playoffs like Jared Goff did.

Hanging out in parking lots with Cheesecake Factory girls and throwing it to the defense every other throw while losing games in year 2 like Baker Mayfield ain’t gonna cut it.
 
PSU Cane said:
I don't get a chance to watch all the tape on each guy so sometimes my opinion can be influenced (positive or negative) by 1 or 2 tapes. Willie Gay is the perfect example. I soured on him the moment i watched that Louisville game. It was not good. I didn't see instincts. I didn't see good angles. I didn't see 4.46 speed in space. He made a huge hit around the 1:30 mark and nothing of impact again until the 2nd half. If he's free to see ball, run to ball.....he can be good. But he struggles getting through the garbage, get's stuck on blocks and is always late in his read, putting him in chase mode. As freaky as he tested, i expected more in that game.
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In todays NFL you have to look for off-ball LBs who can cover. Those guys are super valuable, and it's where Gay excels. I wrote down just okay as a run defender, citing some of the same issues you see in terms of working through trash and getting washed out of plays. He needs some coaching there.

What I didn't see is late reads; actually I thought he displayed a good overall feel for the game, particularly in zone coverage. And his main strength, without doubt, is his ability to run with guys in man coverage. I think he gives you a lot on third down.
 
Pachyderm_Wave said:
The parameters are Burrow needs to be doing what quarterbacks that proved they were worth the #1 overall pick do.

Winning OROY and leading their team to double digit wins and playoffs the way Cam Newton and Andrew Luck did, and scoring around 30 touchdowns as rookies.

At least score 24 touchdowns the way Kyler Murray did as a rookie.

Be throwing 30 TD’s and making the pro bowl by year 2 and leading his team to the playoffs like Jared Goff did.
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Sounds pretty clear Blake
 
silverfin said:
In todays NFL you have to look for off-ball LBs who can cover. Those guys are super valuable, and it's where Gay excels. I wrote down just okay as a run defender, citing some of the same issues you see in terms of working through trash and getting washed out of plays. He needs some coaching there.

What I didn't see is late reads; actually I thought he displayed a good overall feel for the game, particularly in zone coverage. And his main strength, without doubt, is his ability to run with guys in man coverage. I think he gives you a lot on third down.
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I felt his reads in the run game were consistently late. He needs to see the ball to flow instead of seeing keys/flowing to the hole before the blocker gets to him and seals him off. He was sealed a lot.

In 28 career games:
He had >5 tackles in a game only 3 times.
He had 11 tackles for loss.....that's 1 every 2.5 games. To me, that confirms what i see on tape with him being late and not seeing the hole early enough to attack.

I'll see if i can find another game quick to look at. For a game in which he was credited with 11 solo tackles, the most in his career....i just don't see the hype.
 
Pachyderm_Wave said:
The parameters are Burrow needs to be doing what quarterbacks that proved they were worth the #1 overall pick do.

Winning OROY and leading their team to double digit wins and playoffs the way Cam Newton and Andrew Luck did, and scoring around 30 touchdowns as rookies.

At least score 24 touchdowns the way Kyler Murray did as a rookie.

Be throwing 30 TD’s and making the pro bowl by year 2 and leading his team to the playoffs like Jared Goff did.

Hanging out in parking lots with Cheesecake Factory girls and throwing it to the defense every other throw while losing games in year 2 like Baker Mayfield ain’t gonna cut it.
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Yeah..... I'm not agreeing to that, you're just wasting your own time now.

Can't imagine what kind of expectations you have for Tua if he's your number 1 QB
 
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Pachyderm_Wave said:
1 Chase Young* / DE / Ohio St.

2 Tua Tagovailoa* / QB / Alabama

3 Andrew Thomas* / OT / Georgia

4 Jedrick Wills* / OT / Alabama

5 Jerry Jeudy* / WR / Alabama

6 Ceedee Lamb* / WR / Oklahoma

7 Jeffrey Okudah* / CB / Ohio St.

8 Isaiah Simmons* / LB / Clemson

9 Derrick Brown / DT / Auburn

10 Kenneth Murray* / LB / Oklahoma

11 Justin Jefferson* / WR / LSU

12 Denzel Mims / WR / Baylor

13 Patrick Queen* / LB / LSU

14 Josh Uche* / LB / Michigan

15 Mekhi Becton* / OT / Louisville

16 Javon Kinlaw / DT / S.Carolina

17 Jordan Love* / QB / Utah St.

18 Joe Burrow / QB / LSU

19 C.J. Henderson* / CB / Florida

20 Laviska Shenault* / WR / Colorado

21 DeAndre Swift* / RB / Georgia

22 Jonathan Taylor* / RB / Wisconsin

23 Noah Igbinoghene* / CB / Auburn

24 Tristan Wirfs* / OT / Iowa

25 Lloyd Cushenberry* / C / LSU

26 J.K. Dobbins* / RB / Ohio St.

27 Cesar Ruiz* / C / Michigan

28 Matt Hennessy* / C / Temple

29 Kristian Fulton / CB / LSU

30 Jaylon Johnson* / CB / Utah

31 Willie Gay Jr.* / LB / Miss. St.

32 Cam Akers* / RB / Florida St.

33 Clyde Edwards-Helaire* / RB / LSU

34 Gabriel Davis* / WR / UCF

35 Justin Herbert / QB / Oregon

36 Austin Jackson* / OT / USC

37 Henry Ruggs* / WR / Alabama

38 Jalen Raegor* / WR / TCU

39 Antoine Winfield Jr.** / S / Minnesota

40 Bryce Hall / CB / Virginia

41 Jeff Gladney / CB / TCU

42 Tee Higgins* / WR / Clemson

43 Malik Harrison / LB / Ohio St.

44 Logan Wilson / LB / Wyoming

45 Damien Lewis / OG / LSU

46 Jonah Jackson / OG / Ohio St.

47 A.J. Epenesa* / DE / Iowa

48 Yetur Gross-Matos* / DE / Penn St.

49 Akeem Davis-Gaither / LB / App. St.

50 K’lavon Chaisson* / OLB / LSU

51 Terrell Lewis* / OLB / Alabama

52 Shane Lemieux / OG / Oregon

53 Devin Duvernay / WR / Texas

54 Zack Baun / OLB / Wisconsin

55 Xavier McKinney* / S / Alabama

56 J.R. Reed / S / Georgia

57 Josh Jones / OT / Houston

58 Ben Bartch / OG / St. John’s (MN)

59 Jordyn Brooks / LB / Texas Tech

60 Lucas Niang / OT / TCU

61 Justin Madubuike* / DT / Texas A&M

62 Isaiah Wilson** / OT / Georgia

63 Jabari Zuniga / DE / Florida

64 A.J. Dillon* / RB / Boston College

65 Curtis Weaver* / OLB / Boise St.

66 Harrison Hand* / CB / Temple

67 Damon Arnette / CB / Ohio St.

68 Brandon Aiyuk / WR / Arizona St.

69 Van Jefferson / WR / Florida

70 Donovan Peoples-Jones* / WR / Michigan

71 Jordan Elliott* / DT / Missouri

72 K.J. Hamler* / WR / Penn St.

73 Jordan Fuller / S/ Ohio St.

74 Brandon Jones / S / Texas

75 Ezra Cleveland* / OT / Boise St.

76 Hakeem Adeniji / OT / Kansas

77 Grant Delpit* / S / LSU

78 Ashtyn Davis* / S / Cal

79 Daniel Bituli / LB / Tennessee

80 Kenny Willekes / DE / Michigan St.

81 Julian Okwara / OLB / Notre Dame

82 Marlon Davidson / DE / Auburn

83 Jacob Phillips* / LB / LSU

84 A.J. Terrell* / CB / Clemson

85 Troy Pride / CB / Notre Dame

86 Lynn Bowden* / WR / Kentucky

87 Javaris Davis / CB / Auburn

88 Jeremy Chinn / S / S. Illinois

89 Kyle Dugger / S / Lenoir-Rhyne

90 Antonio Gandy-Golden / WR / Liberty

91 Bryan Edwards / WR / S. Carolina

92 Michael Pittman / WR / USC

93 Mykal Walker / LB / Fresno St.

94 Davon Hamilton / DT / Ohio St.

95 McTelvin Agim / DT / Arkansas

96 Leki Fotu / DT / Utah

97 Ross Blacklock* / DT / TCU

98 Trevon Diggs / CB / Alabama

99 Alex Highsmith / DE / Charlotte

100 Jack Driscoll / OG / Auburn

101 Josh Kelley / RB / UCLA

102 Rico Dowdle / RB / S. Carolina

103 James Robinson / RB / Illinois St.

104 Lamichael Perine / RB / Florida

105 Cole Kmet / TE / Notre Dame

106 Adam Trautman / TE / Dayton

107 John Simpson / OG / Clemson

108 Larrell Murchison / DT / N.C. State

109 Bryce Huff / OLB / Memphis

110 James Lynch* / DT / Baylor
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Always interesting and insightful.
Couple quick takes:
Dobbins - doesn’t make the cut and I get it - I’m concerned Dolphins are interested.
Delpit- he’s a day 1 starter IMO - Top 40 pick. He’s better than JR Reid who seems a step slow on tape.

Bredeson -Michigan - he’s a 10 year starter great tape. Top 100 pick.

Uche- Top 15. Think that’s more projection than production. Just a little high IMO
 
Blake the great said:
Yeah..... I'm not agreeing to that, you're just wasting your own time now.

Can't imagine what kind of expectations you have for Tua if he's your number 1 QB
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About what I figured. You’ve been wasting your own time chasing me around quoting every single post I make just to ensure I see that you disagree with everything in it.

I’m fixing to put a stop to that sh^t though. I can guarantee you’re fixing to agree with that one.
 
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