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The Ricky Situation doesn't make any sense

enigmatics said:
He WAS a top tier runningback. I don't know if you noticed, but Ricky did not play a down last year. The top runningbacks don't spend a whole season away from the game so they can smoke a few J's and tour Asia. As far as catching up.........you're just talking the system, but there's more than just "the system"........ He has to get his legs back, his vision back, his endurance back......all that.......he definately has ALOT of catching up to do in the all-around facets of the game.

I agree taking a year off is bad for a runningback ... I mean just look at Edge .. he took two years off to work on his rehab after his injuries, surprised he had a job when he got back.


enigmatics said:
You speak as though putting on 30lbs of sheer, mean muscle mass can be done in the flick of a wrist. But if we're going to focus on the physicalities, then lets talk about his chronically bad shoulders. He's never been able to escape those. And again, like I said, as he continues to get older, turning 28 on the 21st this month, that's going to be a problem that creeps and creeps and creeps up on him.
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I said rebuilding muscle is easier than making new muscle. Which is a proven fact. Your muscles remember and expand back to where they were easier than building the new muscle from scratch.

Now about his shoulder injuries. You mean the ones that have had a year to heal? Or lets talk about how even though he was injured he kept on playing and punishing people for trying to tackle him.

enigmatics said:
His mental conditions can certainly be treated...........as far as the result keeping him and his head in the game? That's yet to be seen. I love how you just immediately abandon the idea that he's not mentally sound......especially to play the game of football. Man with problems like that it takes YEARS to get to the root of the psychological problem in order to address it and iron it out. Do you think the Miami Dolphins have some magic man who Ricky's going to talk too and suddenly he'll just snap out of it? Furthermore substance abuse is substance abuse. Anything you you use habitually to escape reality is a problem. And Ricky's been trying to escape reality with weed..........there's no denying that.

I said he can be effectively treated with meds ... how is that abandoning the idea that he's not mentally sound? Oh ... he was sound enough to run for over 3000 yards in two seasons with the fins, to me that means he is mentally sound enough to play football. As far as a Magic man in Miami do you call doctors and pharacists magic men where your from?

As far as substance abuse, yeah it is a bad thing whether it is legal drugs, illegal drugs, alcohol, or inhalents, etc etc etc. To think that Ricky is the only one that uses substances to alter their look on reality is just ridiculous. Do you think we should kick everyone out of the NFL that uses substances?

enigmatics said:
Again......caught only on the stats and not on the player. Just because Wanny had no backup plan, doesn't mean a guy like Saban won't. Ricky Williams isn't the only man we could ever employ as a backup to Ronny, sorry to break that to you. We're in a competitive rebuild brother. We've got plenty of time to get the right players in the positions we need them. You're talking in a win-now mentality........caught on the name Ricky Williams and not the guy that actually is. I for one and not for the man joining ranks with this newly refreshed franchise. Time to stop recycling old trash. Time to move on. If he was 24 and making stupid life choices I'd be more for it.

Im sorry, when you said that Ricky was declining as a player I thought you meant his stats were bad. Please clear up you what you meant so I can answer your question correctly because as far as the numbers go ... Ricky Williams left as one hell of a running back.
 
first&goal said:
......including the one that he decide to come back. The point that you made in reference that Ricky was in the decline, make no sense, Ricky was 75% of our entire offense, i guess at this point was no brainer for the opposite team to key on him, which left Ricky to deal almost all the time against 8 or 9 man front. Even tho he did manage to put up good number! I'am not mentioning our poor offensive line, cause a good back if is really good can still make play....Ricky did that. Like it or not.

You have to look at a player from both the mental and the physical standpoint, with regards to the future as well. Mentally he sure as sh*t declined.......as proven by his hasty departure from the team and the game. You know are DT's play a pretty nasty position and they didn't quit on us because our coach blew and didn't adjust. Statistically speaking he did decline from 2002 to 2003. And again, don't blame that crap on the O-line, he's always had a crap O-line. He's set to turn 28 on the 21st of May, he's not in football shape. He's got a chronically bad shoulder. We don't have time to wait for Ricky to get back to 1,800 and it's not even worth spending any time. Some of you seem too think he'll be ready in the blink of an eye, which is wishful thinking at best. I ,on the otherhand, think it would take longer than necessarily for this franchise to become successful again.

Besides.........Ricky Williams in a two-back offense? I'll believe that one when I see it.
 
Omaha_Dolfan said:
Of course Ricky's motivations will be personal. Any pro football out there is playing for personal reasons. Its called that huge paycheck. Drop their saleries to 60K a year and see how many of them stick around for the physical abuse. Yeah I know .. I love hearing all of these people say they play for the love of the game then all of a sudden want to renegotiate their contract.

Ricky quit because he was embarrassed he got busted for pot and thought that quitting would be easier than dealing with all the publicity of it. It was still public but he didnt have to worry about it in India. Is a serious side effect of his disorder. When he is on meds he is fine, who knows maybe there has to be a stipulation in his contract that he takes his meds before the trainers.

And you to think if he came back he would suck is just as naive.

Here's a list of all the reasons Ricky came up with why he quit:

1. Didn't have the passion for it anymore
2. Wanted to be able to smoke weed freely
3. Didn't like our coach and most of our offensive coaching staff
4. Wanted to find himself
5. Thought there was more to life than football
6. Didn't want to take the physical pounding anymore
7. It was a game everyone else wanted him to play, not himself

...............it was an abundance of reasons. Not just being embarrassed for getting hit up for smoking pot.
 
enigmatics said:
Here's a list of all the reasons Ricky came up with why he quit:

1. Didn't have the passion for it anymore
2. Wanted to be able to smoke weed freely
3. Didn't like our coach and most of our offensive coaching staff
4. Wanted to find himself
5. Thought there was more to life than football
6. Didn't want to take the physical pounding anymore
7. It was a game everyone else wanted him to play, not himself

...............it was an abundance of reasons. Not just being embarrassed for getting hit up for smoking pot.

So I take it you agree with everything else I said since all you wanted to do was argue about why he quit?
 
enigmatics said:
Funny how in one paragraph you go from questioning what I don't know about Ricky to questioning my spirituality WHICH you know nothing about. Is that supposed to be ironic or something?

Let me ask you this..........do you know what he's doing in India right now? If not, don't even bring it up. It's a hollow point.

Happy waiting for that apology! :wink:

I believe it was you who stated he was out of shape....and had not spent his time away from football wisely...so therefor I thought you were privy to some information that the rest of us was not.

You seem to be the only person who knows for sure that he wouldnt be worth anything upon return.
 
Omaha_Dolfan said:
I agree taking a year off is bad for a runningback ... I mean just look at Edge .. he took two years off to work on his rehab after his injuries, surprised he had a job when he got back.

...........and taking that kind of time off kills everything you've worked to achieve. It kills momentum. It's only logical to assume it would take some time to even get rolling in the direction he once was.

Omaha_Dolfan said:
I said rebuilding muscle is easier than making new muscle. Which is a proven fact. Your muscles remember and expand back to where they were easier than building the new muscle from scratch.

Now about his shoulder injuries. You mean the ones that have had a year to heal? Or lets talk about how even though he was injured he kept on playing and punishing people for trying to tackle him.

I know all about muscle memory, being a workout guy trust me. It may be easier to get muscle back yes, but that doesn't mean Ricky's going to come back to training camp lookin' like the Ricky of old. Do you know how long it took Ricky to construct that body of his? It took years.......of bulking up, cutting up, conditioning and endurance.

Omaha_Dolfan said:
I said he can be effectively treated with meds ... how is that abandoning the idea that he's not mentally sound? Oh ... he was sound enough to run for over 3000 yards in two seasons with the fins, to me that means he is mentally sound enough to play football. As far as a Magic man in Miami do you call doctors and pharacists magic men where your from?

As far as substance abuse, yeah it is a bad thing whether it is legal drugs, illegal drugs, alcohol, or inhalents, etc etc etc. To think that Ricky is the only one that uses substances to alter their look on reality is just ridiculous. Do you think we should kick everyone out of the NFL that uses substances?

Again, Doctors and Pharmacists can assist Ricky. That doesn't guarentee a recovery, which so many insist is automatic if he decides to come back to the Fins. And being a fan, I can understand where that blind optimism might come from. We seem to forget, he was getting counselling when he first arrived in Miami. Didn't last long at all. You can't deny the proof which is in the pudding with Ricky. I'd much rather Ricky permanently fix his life than waste any time trying to get back into football.

I'm a new age guy. I'm alot more leniant on some things going on out there than your straight edge type. But Ricky's a public fixture and it just so happens to be when you're in that position, whether you wanted to be or not, you can't be out there in the media known as a buddha fiend. I'm sorry. Sure other professional athletes smoke. I'm not naive man. It appears to me though that other professional athletes know how to monitor that habit. Ricky coudldn't. You know darn well there's all kinds of loopholes with today's drug testing standards. Yet even Ricky couldn't put the pipe down at those times which he knew they were comin'.

Omaha_Dolfan said:
Im sorry, when you said that Ricky was declining as a player I thought you meant his stats were bad. Please clear up you what you meant so I can answer your question correctly because as far as the numbers go ... Ricky Williams left as one hell of a running back.

Ricky definately had the numbers.......at his peak........which was his first season with us. However, as a total player, he started to decline.....mostly due to the mental block in his game........admittedly not running the ball as hard anymore, etc etc......... He had his chance.....and that's just my opinion.
 
enigmatics said:
You have to look at a player from both the mental and the physical standpoint, with regards to the future as well. Mentally he sure as sh*t declined.......as proven by his hasty departure from the team and the game. You know are DT's play a pretty nasty position and they didn't quit on us because our coach blew and didn't adjust. Statistically speaking he did decline from 2002 to 2003. And again, don't blame that crap on the O-line, he's always had a crap O-line. He's set to turn 28 on the 21st of May, he's not in football shape. He's got a chronically bad shoulder. We don't have time to wait for Ricky to get back to 1,800 and it's not even worth spending any time. Some of you seem too think he'll be ready in the blink of an eye, which is wishful thinking at best. I ,on the otherhand, think it would take longer than necessarily for this franchise to become successful again.

Besides.........Ricky Williams in a two-back offense? I'll believe that one when I see it.
I did not blamed the offensive line, cause i believe that a good back can still play and put good number up, even with a bad line, like Ricky did. About the fact that his " mentally in decline " , "Chronically bad shoulder " make no sense to me, because the guy always performed and play hard and i'am not sure, that we need to wait a lot of time to see him running for 1900 yards again.
 
Omaha_Dolfan said:
So I take it you agree with everything else I said since all you wanted to do was argue about why he quit?

........that list reinforces the majority of why I don't think he's fit for the game anymore. The side argument, the physicality, is still something I'm not taking for granted with him. Bad shoulders, getting older........ those are important factors when weighing whether or not I feel we should deal with his shananigans.
 
vt_dolfan said:
I believe it was you who stated he was out of shape....and had not spent his time away from football wisely...so therefor I thought you were privy to some information that the rest of us was not.

You seem to be the only person who knows for sure that he wouldnt be worth anything upon return.

I never said I was the only one. It's my opinion. Deal with it. You've got one and I've got to deal with that.

........and obviously I'm not privy to any sleek info that you all don't know about. Yet, I've read the papers, the internet, the eye witness accounts. Not one of them reinforced this idea that he's anywhere near playing shape. Some have mentioned he looks like he's under 200 now.
 
first&goal said:
I did not blamed the offensive line, cause i believe that a good back can still play and put good number up, even with a bad line, like Ricky did. About the fact that his " mentally in decline " , "Chronically bad shoulder " make no sense to me, because the guy always performed and play hard and i'am not sure, that we need to wait a lot of time to see him running for 1900 yards again.

............and this is where we differ. I personally think you're caught up with the ghost of Ricky Williams. Trust me, I'd love to have a 1,800 yard power, knock your b*tt over back. But it's not very likely when considering who Ricky is and where he's at now in age and with this particular career. Lord knows he might even become a problem again if he starts to blow up and then wants more money like he hinted at.......then what? I'd rather give the carries to Ronnie to get his development started with no roadblocks.
 
enigmatics said:
............and this is where we differ. I personally think you're caught up with the ghost of Ricky Williams. Trust me, I'd love to have a 1,800 yard power, knock your b*tt over back. But it's not very likely when considering who Ricky is and where he's at now in age and with this particular career. Lord knows he might even become a problem again if he starts to blow up and then wants more money like he hinted at.......then what? I'd rather give the carries to Ronnie to get his development started with no roadblocks.
Yes we do differ, not necesseraly about the " ghost of Ricky Williams " cause i dont believe that Ricky is old at all, having skip one year did help him a lot, I'am sure that you know a RB is probably one of the most prone to take hits, therefore resting his body all this time was a good thing for him. In reference that he might become a problem, no one can answer that. Even if Ricky comes back, Ronnie will have his share of carries and a good RB to learn from.
 
enigmatics said:
Ponch is a nickname.......like "slick" ......"champ".........."bro" .......... d*mn man sounds like you're the one taking the offense like a woman so you fired off kindergarten cutdowns. Brother I could care less what names you call me. I will not waste my time with childish little argument antics. If you're that bored than go find somebody else to lay your "hate you better" trash with.

...........and intelligence? Is "hate you better" a sign of intelligence? :shakeno:

And you deserved the "lazy" comment. You immediately attacked my post without any real comment of your own. That's called lazy my friend.


Fine.. address this! if you can?

1- A big issue for you seems to be weight. Just how much do you know about it anyways? I am a body builder, and since starting a new career I found myself doing allot of overtime for the last 2 yrs, I had to stop for lack of sleep/rest. The overtime has settled a bit and for the last month and a half I have been lifting again, three times a week. I admit diet never being an issue, but simply enough adding a protein supplement, I have gained back 18lbs of muscle in a lil less then 7 weeks. That's right 210 lbs. to 228 in just 7 weeks or 10 1/2 hrs per week of hard work. And im just a noob, think of what a good trainer could do. Hell at this rate I'll be back to 245 before the hall of fame game. So tell me again why it is you think RW's can't do it?

2- I've raised a child with Bi-Polar disorder. I know how they function sitting through 100's of hours of therapy with sociologist. And I tell you with medication the real person will stand out. My daughter didn't like it either, it takes time for them to adjust to it and even then, they don't feel right on it.
The easiest way to describe the disorder is that RW's off of meds is a boy in a bubble. He cares about no one but himself outside of that bubble. People fortunate enough to be inside that bubble at the time can do no wrong. He will go from one extreme to another at the drop at a hat. Its a disorder unfortunately which i've learned that will follow him the rest of his life. It does not affect devotion especially being in a real team environment! Which i think we all know Saban has already created. Along with counseling and med's he can control this! So tell me agian how this dissorder make's him less of a football player?

3- Circumstances that lead up to his deciding to retire in the first place. Given what you now know. Lets take a look at it. And you need look no further then you guessed it Wanny which rode on his shirt tale for two yrs. With his clever coaching skills such as the famous lobster traps in the locker room. No game planning what so ever. Refusing to game plan to the strength’s of his team besides running it to the left, then the right, save the middle for a surprise. No half time adjustments what so ever. Being out coached by I believe everyone. Hell he even made the idiots calling the game look smart. The final straw I’m telling you all was when he cut almost the entire starting OL. People that RW’s was devoted to. He seen the writing on the wall, I mean common as Wise still the OL coach, with a new line. DW’s arrogance was planning on running him into a wheel chair.

In short Wandstandt was out of the bubble as fast as he took the OL out in which Ricky cared about.


4- by the way. Ponch is a demeaning nick name and you sir are not ma friend.
I also reserve the right to hate arrogant, uninformed, unintelligent post’s by someone who refuses to try and think of the better of my team. Instead tends to belittle anyone with a view other then his own.. Or should i say her own... srry but your just like my ex wife, quick to label and to stubborn to realize that maybe after being proven wrong that indeed sweetie, you may be wrong!
 
Slappa said:
Fine.. address this! if you can?

1- A big issue for you seems to be weight. Just how much do you know about it anyways? I am a body builder, and since starting a new career I found myself doing allot of overtime for the last 2 yrs, I had to stop for lack of sleep/rest. The overtime has settled a bit and for the last month and a half I have been lifting again, three times a week. I admit diet never being an issue, but simply enough adding a protein supplement, I have gained back 18lbs of muscle in a lil less then 7 weeks. That's right 210 lbs. to 228 in just 7 weeks or 10 1/2 hrs per week of hard work. And im just a noob, think of what a good trainer could do. Hell at this rate I'll be back to 245 before the hall of fame game. So tell me again why it is you think RW's can't do it?

2- I've raised a child with Bi-Polar disorder. I know how they function sitting through 100's of hours of therapy with sociologist. And I tell you with medication the real person will stand out. My daughter didn't like it either, it takes time for them to adjust to it and even then, they don't feel right on it.
The easiest way to describe the disorder is that RW's off of meds is a boy in a bubble. He cares about no one but himself outside of that bubble. People fortunate enough to be inside that bubble at the time can do no wrong. He will go from one extreme to another at the drop at a hat. Its a disorder unfortunately which i've learned that will follow him the rest of his life. It does not affect devotion especially being in a real team environment! Which i think we all know Saban has already created. Along with counseling and med's he can control this! So tell me agian how this dissorder make's him less of a football player?

3- Circumstances that lead up to his deciding to retire in the first place. Given what you now know. Lets take a look at it. And you need look no further then you guessed it Wanny which rode on his shirt tale for two yrs. With his clever coaching skills such as the famous lobster traps in the locker room. No game planning what so ever. Refusing to game plan to the strength’s of his team besides running it to the left, then the right, save the middle for a surprise. No half time adjustments what so ever. Being out coached by I believe everyone. Hell he even made the idiots calling the game look smart. The final straw I’m telling you all was when he cut almost the entire starting OL. People that RW’s was devoted to. He seen the writing on the wall, I mean common as Wise still the OL coach, with a new line. DW’s arrogance was planning on running him into a wheel chair.

In short Wandstandt was out of the bubble as fast as he took the OL out in which Ricky cared about.


4- by the way. Ponch is a demeaning nick name and you sir are not ma friend.
I also reserve the right to hate arrogant, uninformed, unintelligent post’s by someone who refuses to try and think of the better of my team. Instead tends to belittle anyone with a view other then his own.. Or should i say her own... srry but your just like my ex wife, quick to label and to stubborn to realize that maybe after being proven wrong that indeed sweetie, you may be wrong!

Ponch is not a derogative comment, you're making it out to be one.............and again........you can't avoid the name calling and attempt to get into some petty online fight. I don't care what you have to say anymore. I was open before to hearing your side. But even after you finally wrote some coherent piece, you still followed it up with garbage. Wow what a role model you must be. Good luck with that.
 
enigmatics said:
Ponch is not a derogative comment, you're making it out to be one.............and again........you can't avoid the name calling and attempt to get into some petty online fight. I don't care what you have to say anymore. I was open before to hearing your side. But even after you finally wrote some coherent piece, you still followed it up with garbage. Wow what a role model you must be. Good luck with that.

Maybe not in context by its self, but you wrote it demeaning and you know it!

Look I appologize for #4... It just overwelms me at times everyone questioning RW's abilities. It's a lil close to home and i do take it personally (ma bad). I for one would really like him to return to form and the phin's to become a power house in the east agian. I see all sorts of possibilities with him and Brown in the backfield...

By the way.. My ex turned her back on our daughter and i finished raising her myself. She's moved out and doing great now. Im very proud of her!
 
enigmatics said:
Ponch is not a derogative comment, you're making it out to be one.............and again........you can't avoid the name calling and attempt to get into some petty online fight. I don't care what you have to say anymore. I was open before to hearing your side. But even after you finally wrote some coherent piece, you still followed it up with garbage. Wow what a role model you must be. Good luck with that.

Actually..you were the first with the name calling. Ponch may very well be deragatory to some. And..he had proof to back up his side...something you have failed to do in ANY of your arguments. You have offered nothing of substance to your claim. Therefor....and without further adieu....

You Have Been Owned. :cooldude: :cooldude:

Night, Night.
 
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