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The Tua-point conversion

Not to be a downer, but does this play invite scrutiny from the league given all the tank talk? For one, not often does a coach decide to go for 2 to end a game in regular season when the xp would tie it up. That in of itself is suspicious. But then the playcall is even more suspicious. If you wanted to call a play that had the least likely chance of succeeding, it would be a pass play at the goal line that is thrown to a receiver several yards out of the end zone...
 
SkapePhin said:
Not to be a downer, but does this play invite scrutiny from the league given all the tank talk? For one, not often does a coach decide to go for 2 to end a game in regular season when the xp would tie it up. That in of itself is suspicious. But then the playcall is even more suspicious. If you wanted to call a play that had the least likely chance of succeeding, it would be a pass play at the goal line that is thrown to a receiver several yards out of the end zone...
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I thought the same things - why go for the win there. You are the home team. You have the momentum. Then you call THAT stupid play.
 
You guys are nuts.

First off, JAX and DEN both made the same decision a few weeks ago.

JAX was on the road against HOU, while DEN did it at home against CHI and converted to take a 14-13 lead with :31 remaining. Of course they ended up losing on a last second FG, but they still made the same choice as the home team nonetheless.

So the decision is far from unprecedented.

Secondly, if the Dolphins players and coaches were actively attempting to lose, then how do you explain the QB change in the 2nd half that sparked the team or the fact that they scored the last second TD to even set the stage for a possible win?

You guys are seeing something that wasn’t there.
 
SkapePhin said:
Not to be a downer, but does this play invite scrutiny from the league given all the tank talk? For one, not often does a coach decide to go for 2 to end a game in regular season when the xp would tie it up. That in of itself is suspicious. But then the playcall is even more suspicious. If you wanted to call a play that had the least likely chance of succeeding, it would be a pass play at the goal line that is thrown to a receiver several yards out of the end zone...
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I think we are reading too much into it. The coach did make the qb change that put us in the position to win in the first place and called the plays that got us to tie the game. It could be argued that the coach did not think we could pull it out in OT.

I think this game more than any other will satisfy the inquiries from the league's competitive commity.

But it was obvious we were tanking from the get go. From benching X. Howard, to having Preston Williams returning kicks, to activating Bobby McCain, to starting Mark Walton with Drake and Ballage healthy.

All of these things together would be a huge red flag for the coaching staff if we are not blatantly tanking. We either have coaches that know exactly what they are doing, or a coaching staff that has no idea what they are doing.
 
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If it wasn't intentional then we should all be absolutely blasting the coaching staff for that play call. Throwing a pass behind the LOS at the goal-line for a game-winning 2-point conversion try with a historically bad OL is near braindead if you are actually trying to win the game.

In any other year, there would be loud cries to fire the entire coaching staff after a loss like that and in that fashion.
 
EJay said:
You guys are nuts.

First off, JAX and DEN both made the same decision a few weeks ago.

JAX was on the road against HOU, while DEN did it at home against CHI and converted to take a 14-13 lead with :31 remaining. Of course they ended up losing on a last second FG, but they still made the same choice as the home team nonetheless.

So the decision is far from unprecedented.

Secondly, if the Dolphins players and coaches were actively attempting to lose, then how do you explain the QB change in the 2nd half that sparked the team or the fact that they scored the last second TD to even set the stage for a possible win?

You guys are seeing something that wasn’t there.
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Again, its not often. Compare the amount of times teams go for 2 in that situation vs the amount of OT games there are every year...

If it were just the decision to go for 2, I wouldn't think it THAT suspicious, but when you compound it with THAT play call, it does get a bit suspicious considering the circumstances.
 
illscriptures said:
I think we are reading too much into it. The coach did make a qb change tonput us in that position and called the plays that could have tied the game. It could be argued that the coach did not think we could pull it out in OT.

I think this game more than any other will satisfy the inquiries from the league competitive commity.
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They are reading too much into it. Only seeing what supports what they want to believe.

If they had wanted to lose, they took a big risk in playing good defense to get the ball back then attacking on offense to the point of driving 75 yards in 2:02 to score a TD with only :06 remaining.

Couldn’t they have made it easier by allowing WASH to get a first down and run the clock out ? Or not drive the ball down the field in the 2 min offense?

SMH. As Billy Currington sings, “People are crazy!”
 
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EJay said:
They are reading too much into it. Only seeing what supports what they want to believe.

If they had wanted to lose, they took a big risk in playing good defense to get the ball back then attacking on offense to the point of driving 75 yards in 2:02 to score a TD with only :06 remaining.

Couldn’t that have made it easier by allowing WASH to get a first down and run the clock out ? Or not drive the ball down the field in the 2 min offense?

SMH. As Billy Currington sings, “People are crazy!”
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Then why aren't you blasting the hell out of the coaching staff for that ridiculous play call in that situation? That play call was DOA. Such a low percentage play in that situation. Any team with actual playoff aspirations would be getting blasted by everyone and the OC would be on the chopping block the next day.
 
SkapePhin said:
For one, not often does a coach decide to go for 2 to end a game in regular season when the xp would tie it up. That in of itself is suspicious.
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You’re obviously not paying attention to other games around the league. NFL coaches have been doing this more and more in recent years. Jack Del Rio and the Raiders won a game in New Orleans a few seasons back opting for two at the end.

And as I said above, both JAX and DEN opted to do the same in games earlier this season. JAX was the road team, but DEN made the decision as the home team.

So you’re wrong. It’s not suspicious.

The longer a game goes, the more it tends to favor the better team. Given the fact that WASH led all game long, they appeared to be the better team thus it was in MIA’s best interest to try to steal it when the opportunity arose.
 
EJay said:
You’re obviously not paying attention to other games around the league. NFL coaches have been doing this more and more in recent years. Jack Del Rio and the Raiders won a game in New Orleans a few seasons back opting for two at the end.

And as I said above, both JAX and DEN opted to do the same in games earlier this season. JAX was the road team, but DEN made the decision as the home team.

So you’re wrong. It’s not suspicious.

The longer a game goes, the more it tends to favor the better team. Given the fact that WASH led all game long, they appeared to be the better team thus it was in MIA’s best interest to try to steal it when the opportunity arose.
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You have listed precisely THREE examples in about 3 and a half seasons of the NFL. That's 3 in 896 games...
 
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