There is no need to draft a QB or even sign one.

[Marc790]

Why is everyone so hell bent on getting a quarterback this year? I get it. I get that having a solid quarterback is the foundation of building a team, but let's not pretend like Miami is a quarterback away from being competitive. There are a lot more things that have to be done in Miami before they can become competitive. At nine or eight, people are advocating trading the farm to move up for RG3, who I don't think will amount to much. And then there are those who advocate signing Flynn, who isn't proven, either, and would cost a lot against the cap.

Simple solution: why not take care of the offensive line and defensive holes this year, and trade down if neccesary, stocking up picks as ammunitions to trade up for a quarterback next year. Until then, the team should be fine. There is no one single formula to building a team, and being so quarterback-focused this year could come back to haunt the team. You make the best of a situation if you don't get the guy you want, rather than settle for the guy you might not want.

Besides, long-term wise, waiting for a new QB in 2013 is much more cost-effective than signing Flynn or trade up for a quarterback who wasn't that highly-ranked in the first place.

 

[MD]

Absolutely. Why not just wait another year to try and solve the most important position on the team. After all we have waited 29 years since we drafted a 1st rounder and 12 years to replace him. What's another year. :rolleyes2:

 

[MD]

The problem with your logic is there is no guarentee that they will be in any better position then this year. If they do decide on Philbin guess who has the most accurate assessment of Flynn? That's right, the Phins. Whoever the new coach is will want his guy taking snaps since it will be his azz on the line.

 

[finomenal]

What? Did you just become a fan this year? Have you not witnessed the QB play over the past 12 years? Terrible thread...

 

[BARF]

i agree with him to a point, moore has done the best of the qbs we have had over the years, why not surround him with playmakers, even though lets say philbin comes and brings flynn i will be happy with both of those as qbs, if flynn fails u know moore could do the job, and you never know maybe the get a hold of devlin and he becomes matt flynn also, you never know

 

[The Confessor]

i agree with him to a point, moore has done the best of the qbs we have had over the years, why not surround him with playmakers, even though lets say philbin comes and brings flynn i will be happy with both of those as qbs, if flynn fails u know moore could do the job, and you never know maybe the get a hold of devlin and he becomes matt flynn also, you never know

Well, what you are failing to address is that:

1> QB's grow on trees
b. Picking one in the first round is a sure-fired tried and true avenue to success
3) A first round QB doesn't need anybody else around him. It's a QB league, which means the rest of the guys can just be janitors and snackbar vendors. NONE of it matters as long as you pick a QB very high in the first round. If not, you are destined to exactly 22 years of mediocrity.



Got it? :up:

 

[finomenal]

Well, what you are failing to address is that:

1> QB's grow on trees
b. Picking one in the first round is a sure-fired tried and true avenue to success
3) A first round QB doesn't need anybody else around him. It's a QB league, which means the rest of the guys can just be janitors and snackbar vendors. NONE of it matters as long as you pick a QB very high in the first round. If not, you are destined to exactly 22 years of mediocrity.



Got it? :up:

Thank you, sir.

 

[MD]

No QBs dont grow on trees but how will you ever find your guy if you don't keep trying?

 

[The Confessor]

No QBs dont grow on trees but how will you ever find your guy if you don't keep trying?

And, if you spend your first round pick on whoever is on the board at that time, or even worse, trade away the rest of your draft for Mark Sanchez, you end up with no talent at any other position.

I want a top-tier QB as much as anybody. I want to relive the glory days of my youth (I was 7 when we were winning SB's) just as much as anybody, but this notion that you just do whatever it takes to go after a QB with reckless abandonment is not a wise way to build a team. It's not that simple. Far from it. We haven't been in a good position to go after that top-tier Prospect for a long long time, and we haven't been able to hit on the later "Hidden Gem" either. Well, we are not alone. 85% of the league is in the same exact situation. It's how we build around the position until our time comes that is going to propel the team, not mortgaging everything for nothing.


EDIT: For the record, if that guy we REALLY covet slips to say 5th, I'm all for trading up those couple of spots to snag him.

IF we are talking about picking a marginal QB at 8, or trading away this draft, next years draft and trading Jake Long, it's simply not worth it. That QB is set up for failure before he ever don's a Phins uniform.

 

[phinz8202]

yep, lets just continue to do what we've done, use everyone else's trash as our QB. Its worked out so well, hasn't it?

 

[MD]

And, if you spend your first round pick on whoever is on the board at that time, or even worse, trade away the rest of your draft for Mark Sanchez, you end up with no talent at any other position.

I want a top-tier QB as much as anybody. I want to relive the glory days of my youth (I was 7 when we were winning SB's) just as much as anybody, but this notion that you just do whatever it takes to go after a QB with reckless abandonment is not a wise way to build a team. It's not that simple. Far from it. We haven't been in a good position to go after that top-tier Prospect for a long long time, and we haven't been able to hit on the later "Hidden Gem" either. Well, we are not alone. 85% of the league is in the same exact situation. It's how we build around the position until our time comes that is going to propel the team, not mortgaging everything for nothing.


EDIT: For the record, if that guy we REALLY covet slips to say 5th, I'm all for trading up those couple of spots to snag him.

IF we are talking about picking a marginal QB at 8, or trading away this draft, next years draft and trading Jake Long, it's simply not worth it. That QB is set up for failure before he ever don's a Phins uniform.

The Jets traded a 3d and 3 players if I recall which had minimal effect on them. I am not advocating a trade up but you have possibilities that should be explored to include trading up or FA. Again there are no guarantees what position the Phins will be in next year to obtain a QB but you can't simply just put off getting a QB and waiting until next year without exploring your options.

The Phins can easily trade down and evaluate taking a late first rounder if one is in that position. More options to be looked at.

EDIT: It was a first, second and three marginal players to jump from 17 to 5. They did not give that much up.

 

[esafille]

Why is everyone so hell bent on getting a quarterback this year? I get it. I get that having a solid quarterback is the foundation of building a team, but let's not pretend like Miami is a quarterback away from being competitive. There are a lot more things that have to be done in Miami before they can become competitive. At nine or eight, people are advocating trading the farm to move up for RG3, who I don't think will amount to much. And then there are those who advocate signing Flynn, who isn't proven, either, and would cost a lot against the cap.

Simple solution: why not take care of the offensive line and defensive holes this year, and trade down if neccesary, stocking up picks as ammunitions to trade up for a quarterback next year. Until then, the team should be fine. There is no one single formula to building a team, and being so quarterback-focused this year could come back to haunt the team. You make the best of a situation if you don't get the guy you want, rather than settle for the guy you might not want.

Besides, long-term wise, waiting for a new QB in 2013 is much more cost-effective than signing Flynn or trade up for a quarterback who wasn't that highly-ranked in the first place.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but prepare to feel the wrath of the entire FH population. We've been clamoring for a QB for YEARS... to suggest that we should wait a year is not going to go over very well AT ALL hahaha

 

[The Confessor]

The Jets traded a 3d and 3 players if I recall which had minimal effect on them. I am not advocating a trade up but you have possibilities that should be explored to include trading up or FA. Again there are no guarantees what position the Phins will be in next year to obtain a QB but you can't simply just put off getting a QB and waiting until next year without exploring your options.

The Phins can easily trade down and evaluate taking a late first rounder if one is in that position. More options to be looked at.

EDIT: It was a first, second and three marginal players to jump from 17 to 5. They did not give that much up.

They then had to trade the rest of their draft to get the RB they coveted, so it was a domino affect.


Not that much? Would you give up your 1st and 2nd for Snatcho?


You're second scenario is one that really really entices me.

If we can trade back about 5 or 6 spots, and still pick up Tannenhill or Weeden or even Osweiler or Cousins if that's who we covet, I'm all over that like flys on Rex. See, that would be the inverse of what the Jests did with the Dirty one. Instead of mortgaging everything for a possibility, you are limiting the damage done be recouping on part of that gamble.... Make sense?

 

[FinsFan74]

Our formula for success hasn't been.....well....successful. I am ready to try another approach and if that's selecting a qb in round 1 or 2 then so be it. If it for some reason doesn't work out then we draw up another strategy, but at least we can say we tried

 

[Marc790]

I understand the point you're trying to make, but prepare to feel the wrath of the entire FH population. We've been clamoring for a QB for YEARS... to suggest that we should wait a year is not going to go over very well AT ALL hahaha

Got it. Losing sucks. Not having a quarterback who amounts to anything sucks. But trading away an entire draft, or even signing a big-name QB who might turn out to be like Matt Cassel also sucks. You build a team that will support the quarterback, not a quarterback who'll support the team.

At number 8 or 9, Miami can't do much. Only options are to gamble and trade up on RG3, or sign Flynn, neither of which will solve the problems AROUND the quarterback position. You can either have Marino at QB and win not ever win a championship, or you build a team around a marginal quarterback like Alex Smith and give your team a fighting chance.

I want a gunslinger, too, but there is a difference between wanting one and being so obsessed with one you trade the entire future for one guy. A lot of good that did with Palmer in Oakland, huh?