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There is no need to draft a QB or even sign one.

The Confessor said:
They then had to trade the rest of their draft to get the RB they coveted, so it was a domino affect.


Not that much? Would you give up your 1st and 2nd for Snatcho?


You're second scenario is one that really really entices me.

If we can trade back about 5 or 6 spots, and still pick up Tannenhill or Weeden or even Osweiler or Cousins if that's who we covet, I'm all over that like flys on Rex. See, that would be the inverse of what the Jests did with the Dirty one. Instead of mortgaging everything for a possibility, you are limiting the damage done be recouping on part of that gamble.... Make sense?
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In essence they gave up a second rounder and switched 1sts. The price tag to go to 2 won't be much more but I don't think Griffin is worth it. I would much rather go the trade back route instead of reaching desperately at 8/9.
 
Marc790 said:
Got it. Losing sucks. Not having a quarterback who amounts to anything sucks. But trading away an entire draft, or even signing a big-name QB who might turn out to be like Matt Cassel also sucks. You build a team that will support the quarterback, not a quarterback who'll support the team.

At number 8 or 9, Miami can't do much. Only options are to gamble and trade up on RG3, or sign Flynn, neither of which will solve the problems AROUND the quarterback position. You can either have Marino at QB and win not ever win a championship, or you build a team around a marginal quarterback like Alex Smith and give your team a fighting chance.

I want a gunslinger, too, but there is a difference between wanting one and being so obsessed with one you trade the entire future for one guy. A lot of good that did with Palmer in Oakland, huh?
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Oh, I hear ya... I don't want to mortgage the team and its future to reach for a guy just for the sake of getting someone...
 
We don't need great players to build around a QB....we need a QB that will make other players great (Marino made everyone around him better)
 
we do need qb rookie but it doesnt have to be this yr. it still team that have some hole that need to be fix. it not bad team still 4to 6 guy away from being good team. roster have improve lots from 2007.they just need but it all together.
 
MadDog 88 said:
Absolutely. Why not just wait another year to try and solve the most important position on the team. After all we have waited 29 years since we drafted a 1st rounder and 12 years to replace him. What's another year. :rolleyes2:
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Because you don't conduct business/go to war/engage in an operations/build a team/or do anything with hopes of success with what you wish you had. You do it with what you've got, and risk assessments and cost benefit analysis. We all want a quarterback, but reality dictates the Phins aren't going to have enough to move up in the draft. The other alternative is Flynn, who comes expensive and might or might not succeed. From a long-range perspective, it makes more sense to build the team at other positions first. No one is advocating that we skip on getting a QB - it's just a matter of what is possible when.
 
absolutely not. first off, the new HC is going to want to shore up getting a future QB because success is well documented that successful HC are ones with great QB's.

Last year I do not neccessarily disagree with how things shook out. Cam was the only legit guy IMO and cincy sold farm for Dalton to go above us. cant control that.

Your assumption that RGIII is not legit is just an opinion based on what? research? yeah right. bout as much time it took you to wright this thread.

I trust that what is happening now is first and foremost in finding the QB of the future for this team. It sells tickets and wins ballgames. You can survive somewhat with a successful QB while having weak spots.

Right side of the Line needs youth and upgrade and no reason you cannot do that in draft and FA while getting QB. We only need upgrade at positions like OLB/DE another pass rusher who dictates scary. Ireland has built this team now to a point where it can be successful, only if we can put up 30 points on consistent basis.
 
Marc790 said:
Because you don't conduct business/go to war/engage in an operations/build a team/or do anything with hopes of success with what you wish you had. You do it with what you've got, and risk assessments and cost benefit analysis. We all want a quarterback, but reality dictates the Phins aren't going to have enough to move up in the draft. The other alternative is Flynn, who comes expensive and might or might not succeed. From a long-range perspective, it makes more sense to build the team at other positions first. No one is advocating that we skip on getting a QB - it's just a matter of what is possible when.
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Its really early. Fols and Tannehill not getting much talk but we shall see when draft gets going. There are other QB's out there who are like flynn but did not get chance to show their wears.

and people who write off Moore are stupid. They only see big names and live off it. big names are made, not just automatically.
 
This type of thinking is what caused the last decade of failure in Miami. Its why we passed on quarterbacks that would go on to win championships.

This team is not that far away..........and until you have a franchise QB you keep trying to get one.....period.
 
BARF said:
i agree with him to a point, moore has done the best of the qbs we have had over the years, why not surround him with playmakers, even though lets say philbin comes and brings flynn i will be happy with both of those as qbs, if flynn fails u know moore could do the job, and you never know maybe the get a hold of devlin and he becomes matt flynn also, you never know
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Not even remotely. Yes he had some good games this year where he really played solid, but only when the whole team was playing amazing. Moore will NEVER be the guy to take over the game and win it for you. Won't happen!

and BTW......I don't see how anyone could argue that fact that Penny was the best QB we've had since Dan. Even maybe Feidler a close 2nd.
 
But we cant compare the price of moving up with what the Jets did... With the rookie contracts rule, those early pick are much more valuable now...
 
Marc790 said:
Why is everyone so hell bent on getting a quarterback this year? I get it. I get that having a solid quarterback is the foundation of building a team, but let's not pretend like Miami is a quarterback away from being competitive. There are a lot more things that have to be done in Miami before they can become competitive. At nine or eight, people are advocating trading the farm to move up for RG3, who I don't think will amount to much. And then there are those who advocate signing Flynn, who isn't proven, either, and would cost a lot against the cap.

Simple solution: why not take care of the offensive line and defensive holes this year, and trade down if neccesary, stocking up picks as ammunitions to trade up for a quarterback next year. Until then, the team should be fine. There is no one single formula to building a team, and being so quarterback-focused this year could come back to haunt the team. You make the best of a situation if you don't get the guy you want, rather than settle for the guy you might not want.

Besides, long-term wise, waiting for a new QB in 2013 is much more cost-effective than signing Flynn or trade up for a quarterback who wasn't that highly-ranked in the first place.
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They tried that way back in 2000. Remember/ They drafted a "nickle back' in Jamar Fletcher over Brees, drafted guys like Jason Allen, Ronnie Brown, Vernon Carey, Vontae Davis, Jared Odrick and I could go on and on. Not one of those years did they draft a QB in the first round. And where has it gotten them?
 
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