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This isnt adding up.

Wildbill3 said:
what if they were more than friends, or at some point wanted to be.
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Now I can't get that picture out of my mind...do they make beds that can support 700lbs?
 
Heisenphin said:
Knew it was only a matter of time before someone dropped the "my best friend is black" line.

Just so we are clear, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because that is what you and your friends do doesn't mean it is right. Especially in the work place.

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I'm not saying Richie was right. In fact, I think that regardless of the circumstances, he was wrong.

But the actions of Martin, his agent, and his lawyers are pretty strange here. And when you factor in the timing of everything, this whole thing really stinks.
 
Who the helll keeps voice messages and texts for 7 months?
 
I don't think so, but I don't doubt his mom is driving this right now.

I honestly think it built up in Martin until he couldn't take it anymore. At some point if you strike a match enough you will cause a fire. Martin stood until he couldn't stand anymore and now it has blown up.
 
I'm guessing (all I can do at this point) is that Martin complained back in April, in hopes it would all be put to an end, but kept the texts, etc, just in case it didn't.
Since it continued, he has proof of what was going on and I imagine he has proof that he filed a complaint.
Sounds like this was building and possibly Martin's parents told him to keep any proof, otherwise it's all he said vs he said and you got nothing.

Again, some people may like joking around and using racial slurs and joke about harming each others family, that's great, have fun with that.
Just be darn sure the other person feels the same way.
If you are not sure, best to air on the side of caution and not leave VM evidence saying racial/threatening things...just seems to make sense...
 
scodoublet said:
I'm guessing (all I can do at this point) is that Martin complained back in April, in hopes it would all be put to an end, but kept the texts, etc, just in case it didn't.
Since it continued, he has proof of what was going on and I imagine he has proof that he filed a complaint.
Sounds like this was building and possibly Martin's parents told him to keep any proof, otherwise it's all he said vs he said and you got nothing.

Again, some people may like joking around and using racial slurs and joke about harming each others family, that's great, have fun with that.
Just be darn sure the other person feels the same way.
If you are not sure, best to air on the side of caution and not leave VM evidence saying racial/threatening things...just seems to make sense...
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I could guess, just as validly, that Martin called RI, and left some similar messages.
We already know that Martin has engaged, systematicly, in the same behavior as what
he's complaining about. Not so much of a reach to take it a step further.
 
Heisenphin said:
Knew it was only a matter of time before someone dropped the "my best friend is black" line.

Just so we are clear, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because that is what you and your friends do doesn't mean it is right. Especially in the work place.

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]Ohall....Canephins here. How goes it man? Long time. Heard you quit the internets
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Hey canes, miss you dude. No I didn't quit, stopped posting, but continued to read. The trolls took over, couldn't take arguing against 15 of them at once any more.

For me I have many dif typed of friends, or have during my life. I have been called things that if someone over heard would have assumed that person was a racist. I've done the same. However saying that I don't think Cog considered Martin a friend, or did Martin consider Cog a friend. Cog is totally in the wrong for crossing that line. I just feel if Martin was Irish, Russian or w/e Cog would have gone after him in a similar way. This in no way means Cog is not racist. He prob is, and to be honest I don't really care.

And I swear I'll send you the $5, one day, you were 100% right about Moss. :)

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Who the helll keeps voice messages and texts for 7 months?
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Someone with a plan.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
I don't think Martin is driving this. I think his parents are driving this. I think the originally reported story about Martin going to a rehab facility for help is true, and I think his parents are now looking to protect their son and they don't care who they are going to tear down in the process.

The fact that Richie is a known jagoff makes it very easy for them to do that.
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I've read about alleged accusations from the Incognito camp (possibly by his father?) about Martin's metal health and other issues. If they're true, then the parents certainly could be running this show. IF this is true about "alleged" drug use, mental issues and suicide attempts, then we're in for some "edge-of-your-seat" entertainment. Imagine being Harvard educated lawyers, and your son has problems. That wouldn't reflect too highly on you as parents, would it? But, if you have "proof" of harassment (which could be a message full of friendly banter taken out of context), you could make your son look like a victim and collect a big settlement. If your son has mental issues, a well educated lawyer/parent should have no problem manipulating that son into believing that someone else is responsible for his problems. Politicians that have kids with problems do this and/or cover up those problems all of the time.

I for one hope this goes all out, and stays public. I'd like to stay objective and NOT jump to conclusions before I hear all of the evidence, so I hope that Incognito's side makes these accusations public (if true) and someone in authority does order drug tests and whatever else is necessary to find out the truth. Many male-dominated workplaces features talk that "sensitive" people would find highly offensive. I hear this talk at work (prison) constantly, and never once have I felt physically threatened or offended. IMO, verbal, good-natured joking can be taken WAY over the line but still be harmless and fun. BTW, in prison and on the street, African-Americans call each other the N-word with no repercussions at all. A smart attorney can make a joke seem like a threat in court, just as stats can be manipulated to make a player/team look good or bad.

On the other hand, if a friend or co-worker has mental issues, then it's best to take it easy on the joking around, as it may be misconstrued. First this was an issue of Martin can't hack being in the NFL, then it's about Incognito being at fault, and now we learn that it could go in another direction entirely! This could be a season-ending, team-exploding blow-up, or it could be nothing more than a simple misunderstanding on each side not even worthy of the media (although that never stopped the media before).

Martin allegedly has "issues". But, is this a case of Martin just can't cut it in the NFL? Are the parents trying to protect their vulnerable little baby from the big, mean bully because they have never been in a "real" workplace, are overly sensitive, and have no sense of humor? Is this the case of "elite" parents who feel they may have failed as parents, and instead of accepting that possibility, think that it's better to play the race card and shift the blame to someone else in order to protect their valuable reputation? Is Incognito really an evil monster, or is he just another simple football player who may become the patsy and scapegoat in a huge lawsuit?

Stay tuned...
 
I don't know how it adds up in terms of what we know, but I can make at least one logical assessment:

* Incognito did more, and worse. A criminal's rap sheep is never his full body of work, and a serial jerk like Incognito gets away with so many abusive insults without reprimand that he doesn't view them as out of line. That's why he can be in complete denial as recently as yesterday, attacking Adam Schefter. Heck, Incognito could sample threads here -- like this one -- and find apologists lining up for him. It's been that way the bulk of his life.
 
I agree. While I think incognito's words and actions were poor taste, obnoxious expressions of an immature personality, I doubt he meant any harm by them. Martin may have been offended by Incognito's inconsiderate messages, but I doubt he felt threatened. I also believe he is using Incognito as a convenient scapegoat because somewhat unrelated personal/mental issues overwhelmed the second year player who was currently dealing with a demotion to right tackle and exceptional scrutiny by the media for his play. Several members of the team played a simple prank on him when Martin snapped and embarrassed himself by over reacting. As he stormed out through the cafeteria doors, frustration ruling his thoughts, he realized just how much easier it would be, how much simpler than having to re-confront the players he'd just lost face in front of, if he just walked out of the facility doors and got into his car. Driving away from the facilities Martin felt as if a thousand pounds had been lifted from his shoulders. By the time he arrived home, he'd decided that football was no longer for him. He'd need a good excuse to get out of his contract (while still getting paid) and to save face. Martin, who I believe was pre-med, would know that psychological trauma would be contractually treated like a physical injury and be impossible to disprove, but only if it was caused from within the organization, not pre-existing. Remember Ricky who had to pay back about seven million dollars when he first decided he was done with football? Richie Incognito made a convenient target. I doubt it was personal. Ignorant, crass, and insensitive Incognito, fueled by a homophobic football culture that often uses violence as an expression of affection between teammates who'll be showering together later, made an easy target for that excuse about every other time he'd open his mouth and speak, despite his intention. Now Martin, on IR, gets paid for not playing, which is really what I think he wanted.
 
I couldn't agree more.

Don't know what's REALLY going on, but this story isn't adding up.


I happen to think Richie was joking with Martin in that voicemail. Do I think it's funny? No. Is it my kind of humor? No, not really. But I've known people like that and am assuming it was likely said in a ****ed up, but joking manner.


I also know that Martin and Richie hung out on numerous occasions after the voicemail. Why? Was Martin too scared to tell Richie "no" when he would ask him to hang out? Doubtful.

So I think something must have happened recently and they had a falling out. Then Martin has his meltdown. His parents put 2 and 2 together and go after Richie.

I think Richie is an *******, but still, this goes on in every single locker room. Martin needs to man up, he's being soft and clearly doesn't have the mental makeup to be in an NFL locker room.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I don't know how it adds up in terms of what we know, but I can make at least one logical assessment:

* Incognito did more, and worse. A criminal's rap sheep is never his full body of work, and a serial jerk like Incognito gets away with so many abusive insults without reprimand that he doesn't view them as out of line. That's why he can be in complete denial as recently as yesterday, attacking Adam Schefter. Heck, Incognito could sample threads here -- like this one -- and find apologists lining up for him. It's been that way the bulk of his life.
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So, it's only wrong if it's "more and worse".
 
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