Thoughts On This Play By Tua - Is The Commentator Right?

[eMCee85]

You can find plays from all qbs where a pass was over thrown or under thrown. Or where you can say if he throwns ih here instead of there it's a td. If you have a play like that from a qb, where say Jamar Chase slows a bit and then wins a battle for a jump ball or even gets ran into by the defender for an interference call nobody questions Burrows arm strength. Some people will even go as far as praising Burrow for the pass. I bet I can find plays where Mark Clayton slowed or stopped on some routes and then won a contested jump ball from Marino. I know I can find some from Orande Gadsen. Nobody ever said it was because Marino's arm was lacking.

My thing is that it's often attributed to Tua's arm when plays like the one shown in the example pops up.
However if he throws the ball a bit earlier hits Hill in stride, it might be good for a td and nobody says a thing. There's no questions about arm strength. So is the issue really arm strength or timing between qb and wrs? When you have a qb that leans heavy on timing with smaller wrs and you have wrs that are sometimes late on routes and other times early you're going to have plays that look like the one that's shown.

Exactly on point with the pump fake. It was not needed in this situation and actually hindered the play.

One thing with Tua is, if his mechanics aren't perfect, his throws suffer immensely. I think if he threw to Hill right away without the pump fake, he would've hit him in that perfect window between the CB and the safety over the top...

 

[hoops]

Yea but opinions differ... if you share your interpretation on that video I'll share mine as well. I let the stats do the talking.

Numbers in a vacuum. You do you.

 

[miamiron]

WELCOME TO ANOTHER TUA THREAD/POST

 

[NoblePhin]

If anything, what about the guy in the middle of the field who clearly beat his man and has no safety over him? Not one time did Tua scan the field in that play.

 

[raving]

Yeah but come on it's not just one throw like this that we've seen from lil tua. It's become a theme and this team deserves better Qb play. We aren't settling for mediocrity.

Tua fails to see the Feild is the real issue imho… in games I’ve attended where Tua has played Tua leaves so much $ on the table. He tends to over focus on Hill - and he throws a lot of death balls where receivers have to over extend to catch it…I went to the Ravens Dolphin game opening day where we lucked out and the Ravens crumbled… Tua left so much on the table… it was very frustrating watching Achane wide open and Tua having no clue!

 

[Sarnics13]

there you go again. tua can never do anything wrong. and you are 100% certain you factually know the answer. okie dokey. at least i admit, i am not certain.

Bull ****. This was another attempt to look neutral so you could elicit negative comments about him.

It was clearly a touch throw between defenders on purpose. Should've been a TD.... give me a break. Any further and it would've been a pick by the over top safety. Yes, Of that I'm certain.

 

[Blake the great]

Short video. Turn on the volume and listen to the comments.

I agree with the general notion that making this type of play is what separates the average from the great. This play, poorly executed, still looks really good in the stat sheet, and is good for the QB rating, even though it was a bad play and theoretically left points on the field, and could have cost the team the game. Conceptually, I understand the point.

HOWEVER, is the commentator right? This is what I cannot figure out. Note if you look carefully, there is a safety deep back there. If Tua fully airs the ball out, and leads Tyreek to the point where he doesn't have to stop, and has a clear run to the end zone, is the safety right there to break up the play? Could the ball be driven deeper on more of a line (Josh Allen like throw) to get it there quicker to give the safety no shot? I cannot tell. Then the other issue is it seems there is another receiver, wide open down the middle, also for a big play and a potential TD. But again, I cannot tell if that player was wide open, or only freed up after the ball left Tua's hand and the defense then released in the direction of the throw.

Stats can be misleading. Commentary can be misleading, because often nobody knows who was supposed to be where, and what was meant to happen, and all sorts of other things that are just tough to know. But eventually, you do have a mosaic over time, which I think paints a clearer picture than individual plays often do.

Back to this play, what is the verdict? Good ball, bad ball, unclear?

probably been mentioned but in the video, there is a deep safety in front of Hill. you just see his arm and glove because the "commentator" doesnt want you to see that deep safety. If Tua hits Hill "in stride" it's easy INT for the DB. Tua made a throw to ensure the deep safety couldn't make a play. Tua has made some bad throws/under throws, but this isn't one worth pointing out.

 

[BROGS]

This forum needs a enema! Jeez!
Arguing over one play that some grown man posted from his basement while yelling to his mother Get me meatloaf ma!

 

[circumstances]

Yes. This play and video is everything that is wrong in the universe.

 

[mwestberry]

Good point @zucca

Look at the release of each QB and the ball trajectory ...

It looks like Mahomes is throwing a controlled back-shoulder pass due to coverage.

It looks like Tua heaved a rainbow but underthrew the receiver.

It also looks like Tua could have hit Hill just over the top of the defender, with his lightning release and superb accuracy, before the fake.
At the very least, there was a receiver over the middle who had nothing but grass in front of him.

But hey, my eyes are old and I'm no analyst.

 

[Mr Fan]

Short video. Turn on the volume and listen to the comments.

I agree with the general notion that making this type of play is what separates the average from the great. This play, poorly executed, still looks really good in the stat sheet, and is good for the QB rating, even though it was a bad play and theoretically left points on the field, and could have cost the team the game. Conceptually, I understand the point.

HOWEVER, is the commentator right? This is what I cannot figure out. Note if you look carefully, there is a safety deep back there. If Tua fully airs the ball out, and leads Tyreek to the point where he doesn't have to stop, and has a clear run to the end zone, is the safety right there to break up the play? Could the ball be driven deeper on more of a line (Josh Allen like throw) to get it there quicker to give the safety no shot? I cannot tell. Then the other issue is it seems there is another receiver, wide open down the middle, also for a big play and a potential TD. But again, I cannot tell if that player was wide open, or only freed up after the ball left Tua's hand and the defense then released in the direction of the throw.

Stats can be misleading. Commentary can be misleading, because often nobody knows who was supposed to be where, and what was meant to happen, and all sorts of other things that are just tough to know. But eventually, you do have a mosaic over time, which I think paints a clearer picture than individual plays often do.

Back to this play, what is the verdict? Good ball, bad ball, unclear?

Its bad throw, there have been lots of examples where Hill and Waddle have had to wait for the ball over the last couple of years.

 

[mwestberry]

Bull ****. This was another attempt to look neutral so you could elicit negative comments about him.

It was clearly a touch throw between defenders on purpose. Should've been a TD.... give me a break. Any further and it would've been a pick by the over top safety. Yes, Of that I'm certain.

The real problem is that the "touch throw" in the vicinity of the safety may not have been the best read.

But Tua "glanced" right and center before committing to Hill. It didn't look like he gave real consideration to anything but Hill. And he underthrew him.

The quick release, accurate laser throw was needed for Hill.

The better throw would have been in the middle of the field.

Tua isn't the answer, and this scheme doesn't look sustainable. But I digress.

 

[DOLFAN_51]

Short video. Turn on the volume and listen to the comments.

I agree with the general notion that making this type of play is what separates the average from the great. This play, poorly executed, still looks really good in the stat sheet, and is good for the QB rating, even though it was a bad play and theoretically left points on the field, and could have cost the team the game. Conceptually, I understand the point.

HOWEVER, is the commentator right? This is what I cannot figure out. Note if you look carefully, there is a safety deep back there. If Tua fully airs the ball out, and leads Tyreek to the point where he doesn't have to stop, and has a clear run to the end zone, is the safety right there to break up the play? Could the ball be driven deeper on more of a line (Josh Allen like throw) to get it there quicker to give the safety no shot? I cannot tell. Then the other issue is it seems there is another receiver, wide open down the middle, also for a big play and a potential TD. But again, I cannot tell if that player was wide open, or only freed up after the ball left Tua's hand and the defense then released in the direction of the throw.

Stats can be misleading. Commentary can be misleading, because often nobody knows who was supposed to be where, and what was meant to happen, and all sorts of other things that are just tough to know. But eventually, you do have a mosaic over time, which I think paints a clearer picture than individual plays often do.

Back to this play, what is the verdict? Good ball, bad ball, unclear?

The safety would have lit him up or worse, picked off the pass if he led him. This would not have been a TD. IMO

 

[Sticky Gloves]

Watch Tua’s footwork

He didn’t step into the throw so that’s what happens when Tua doesn’t have his foundation set.

Exactly. This is another reason why the offense needs to timing based. Tua off platform doesn't work.

 

[BROGS]

I'm not on either side of Tua constant debate. He has his strengths and his faults. This thread is just a pot stirring post.