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Thoughts On This Play By Tua - Is The Commentator Right?

I saw from the 22 angle

Just the play, the safety had no chance it was an under throw , based on his judgement where he thought the safety was would determine if it was under thrown that way on purpose. But we don’t know that
IMO, and after watching the All 22, if that ball had been even a few yards further downfield the safety would have been able to break on it and either break it up, smash Tyreek, or intercept it. As it was thrown, the safety ran perpendicular to the sidelines by rounding his break on the ball because he knew he didn’t have a chance on the ball or Tyreek and he needed to not allow Tyreek any space to get around him.
 
IMO, and after watching the All 22, if that ball had been even a few yards further downfield the safety would have been able to break on it and either break it up, smash Tyreek, or intercept it. As it was thrown, the safety ran perpendicular to the sidelines by rounding his break on the ball because he knew he didn’t have a chance on the ball or Tyreek and he needed to not allow Tyreek any space to get around him.
That’s how I initially remember the All-22 but will be going back to verify. Tua doesn’t put his whole body into the throw and a guy like him needs to maximize his throwing motion cause he needs that extra torque, he can’t just fire rockets off his back foot like Josh Allen.

Tua still needs a lot of work on his technique, he gets sloppy too easy and doesn’t set his feet especially when he hears footsteps. I would love to see more consistency out of him in regards to his throwing platform and setting his feet, he should never be throwing off his back foot.
 
I haven’t seen him take any “easy” hits and get concussed. In fact, out of his 3 concussions, the GB one may be the “lightest” hit he took and we regularly see guys getting concussed when the back of their head hits the turf like that.
huh? he ran into damar hamlin and concussed himself. that was a nothing. but maybe your point still holds, because it doesn't count as a hit, because tua wasn't hit he just ran into someone!
 
IMO, and after watching the All 22, if that ball had been even a few yards further downfield the safety would have been able to break on it and either break it up, smash Tyreek, or intercept it. As it was thrown, the safety ran perpendicular to the sidelines by rounding his break on the ball because he knew he didn’t have a chance on the ball or Tyreek and he needed to not allow Tyreek any space to get around him.
I do not agree that the safety had a chance with a proper anticipated Tua throw

But we don’t know if he underthrew on purpose because he miss judged it
 
Short video. Turn on the volume and listen to the comments.

I agree with the general notion that making this type of play is what separates the average from the great. This play, poorly executed, still looks really good in the stat sheet, and is good for the QB rating, even though it was a bad play and theoretically left points on the field, and could have cost the team the game. Conceptually, I understand the point.

HOWEVER, is the commentator right? This is what I cannot figure out. Note if you look carefully, there is a safety deep back there. If Tua fully airs the ball out, and leads Tyreek to the point where he doesn't have to stop, and has a clear run to the end zone, is the safety right there to break up the play? Could the ball be driven deeper on more of a line (Josh Allen like throw) to get it there quicker to give the safety no shot? I cannot tell. Then the other issue is it seems there is another receiver, wide open down the middle, also for a big play and a potential TD. But again, I cannot tell if that player was wide open, or only freed up after the ball left Tua's hand and the defense then released in the direction of the throw.

Stats can be misleading. Commentary can be misleading, because often nobody knows who was supposed to be where, and what was meant to happen, and all sorts of other things that are just tough to know. But eventually, you do have a mosaic over time, which I think paints a clearer picture than individual plays often do.

Back to this play, what is the verdict? Good ball, bad ball, unclear?


STFU!
 
I haven’t seen him take any “easy” hits and get concussed. In fact, out of his 3 concussions, the GB one may be the “lightest” hit he took and we regularly see guys getting concussed when the back of their head hits the turf like that.
And the one when he took off running? That was one of the most mild collisions I've seen on a football field.
 
And the one when he took off running? That was one of the most mild collisions I've seen on a football field.
The GB one? He was concussed after hitting the back of his head against the turf. We see guys getting concussed from that all the time in the NFL.
 
So now Herbert can’t make this throw. Come on man. This craps rediculous.

I’m not here to defend Herbert but there’s 100 throws on tape from that kid that Tua could never make.

You want to pick someone to talk about throws and execution of em I can tell ya Herbert and Josh Allen aren’t it.

You sound like a bunch of clowns frankly.
and theres 100 throws Tua has on tape herbert couldnt make, plus 100 throws on tape where herbert over throws into ints, or misses his wr.. come on man

same with Allen.. but you know, lets ignore this to fit your narrative, you and ignoring stuff that doesn't fit your narrative.. name a better duo
 
and theres 100 throws Tua has on tape herbert couldnt make, plus 100 throws on tape where herbert over throws into ints, or misses his wr.. come on man

same with Allen.. but you know, lets ignore this to fit your narrative, you and ignoring stuff that doesn't fit your narrative.. name a better duo

I know something I’m gonna ignore going forward
 
If someone can show me how to compress files to show the play lol I’m too tech illiterate, so only the screenshot.

Can also give someone my login to cut it up for the board
 

Last thing I’ll say on this reek is about 7 yards from even with that safeties line. That safety has absolutely more than 7 yards to cover there even if he is on a straight line (which he’s not you can see he’s angling back in the process) and is just coming out of his transition. Plus there’s no way on this earth he’s got reek speed. Probably a 4.6 guy

Walk in if it’s out in front and accurate.
 
Last thing I’ll say on this reek is about 7 yards from even with that safeties line. That safety has absolutely more than 7 yards to cover there even if he is on a straight line and is still transitioning. Plus there’s no way on this earth he’s got reek speed. Probably a 4.6 guy

Walk in if it’s out in front and accurate.
Looking back at the all-22 I agree with you, clear as day
 
Tuas footwork was the difference between that completion and a walk in TD. He has to clean it up and be technically sound to make up for the physical limitations.
 
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