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I think Hartline needs to move inside. I dont like him as a wideout. When he was at OSU he was good over the middle and in space, and I'm still surprised we never gave him a tryout at PR. I havent been impressed with him since we drafted him and I always felt he was there out of desperation, but maybe Philbin/Sherman can help him find a niche. He wont cut it as a #2 WR imo though - maybe for a year or two until we find someone, but not long term.
 
That's interesting because if anything I thought he's become more of a sideline specialist that might not have the balance to play on the inside and gain a lot of yards after the catch like you would see from a Davone Bess.
 
ckparrothead said:
That's more than a little premature. Remember that Brian Hartline has impressed during actual regular season football games. When Roberto Wallace has had his chances during games...he's generally blown them.

I don't mean to sound harsh, I do agree with you that Roberto Wallace has made his presence felt and is looking more and more like a guy who can make the team. I think what is interesting is he's crossing over from being a guy that flashes to being a guy that consistently brings it in the practices. That's a very tough thing to do...going from being a strobe light to a flood light. But being realistic, he's not even assured of a roster spot yet, let alone a spot ahead of Brian Hartline.
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imo ive always thought that Wallace and Moore would be good recivers in this league when i seen them show signs bk when they were rookies and imo they are only going to get better and better, its hard to bring a rookie stright in and expect big things out of him the first year ,but they have been getting better and better each year so im lookin for atleast one of them to break out this year if not both.
 
ckparrothead said:
That's interesting because if anything I thought he's become more of a sideline specialist that might not have the balance to play on the inside and gain a lot of yards after the catch like you would see from a Davone Bess.
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Well thats what he did in college, and I though he did it well then. He's made a couple of nimble catches on the sidelines but he's not getting in space when he plays wideout. He basically catches it and goes down every time. He's not fast enought to beat corners, but he's got some quickness to turn upfield which can be better used inside imo.
 
ckparrothead said:
That's interesting because if anything I thought he's become more of a sideline specialist that might not have the balance to play on the inside and gain a lot of yards after the catch like you would see from a Davone Bess.
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Totally. The sideline ball is his only asset. Great hands in tight spaces and timing of his jump when catching right on the sideline, but he gets no real separation, has no power or elusiveness, has spaghetti for legs and has delivered a cumulative 6 inches in YAC for his career to date.

Where I disagree with CK is that I believe this guy has more or less hit his ceiling already. He's useful as a receiver somewhere down the pecking order, but he's not underrated because what he delivers today is more or less what he will ever deliver in this league.
 
Well someone should dig up his thread in the draft forum with video of Hartline in college, he played inside and caught balls over the middle plenty, and had a surprsing pivot and quick first steps. The guy can definitely play inside.
 
He CAN play on the inside. He's done it before including in Miami. He can play all three receiver positions as a matter of fact. I disagree with the "no separation" dig at him. He creates separation all over the place and he gets a step on guys vertically as well. During his career, Chad Henne sucked at placing the deep vertical.

I just disagree with this notion that he's a slot specialist. To me he's more of a special player when he's playing mostly on the outside but also moved into the slot, maybe 2/3rds and 1/3rd, something like that.
 
ckparrothead said:
I disagree with you. I've watched and re-watched every pass thrown his way the last two years. I've even captured them on video for quick and easy reference. Brian Hartline has grown into a decent wide receiver, and he's consistent. He hasn't had opportunities because of a combination of bad quarterbacking and the presence of an elite receiver in Brandon Marshall, who demanded a lot of focus from the QB and offensive coordinator in the passing game.

I think if he'd been healthy he would be showing that in this training camp and during OTAs and Mini Camps. He's better than people think, though not good enough to be deemed an elite receiver in his own right (yet). There are a few things he could add to his game to where, if he did successfully add those things, he could actually produce like a 1,000+ yard receiver.

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Here's an example of a video I keep on file:

[video=youtube;n9GqPAJlY4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9GqPAJlY4U[/video]
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Marshall also demanded a lot of focus from the opposing defenses and Hartline being the #2 WR should have had more production. I'm just not buying that Hartline might be something special even though he's not producing. I could be wrong, and maybe I'm tired of all of the excuses we've heard for players over the years who supposedly have a ton of talent and just need this or that to break out.
 
ckparrothead said:
He CAN play on the inside. He's done it before including in Miami. He can play all three receiver positions as a matter of fact. I disagree with the "no separation" dig at him. He creates separation all over the place and he gets a step on guys vertically as well. During his career, Chad Henne sucked at placing the deep vertical.

I just disagree with this notion that he's a slot specialist. To me he's more of a special player when he's playing mostly on the outside but also moved into the slot, maybe 2/3rds and 1/3rd, something like that.
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Well when he's played inside, he's done it well. When playing outside, you need straight line speed, which he doesnt have. After he catches the ball outside theres only one way to run, and hence his low YAC. I think catching quick passes inside gives him a better chance to use his skills. When he arrived in Miami, he was forced to the wideout position because of circumstances - Pat Turner busting out and the emergence of Bess in the slot - so he was kind of stuck at wideout because of team need. If we use a lot more 4 WR sets, I expect to see him inside a lot more if he makes the team.
 
I think Tannehill will earn his shot to start in the preseason, sounds like he's improving.

So as it would seem, our top receivers have been:

Bess
Chad Johnson
Wallace
Naanee

then has anyone stood out? I'd assume a spot will belong to Hartline, but man I really wish Gates would apply himself and earn a roster spot. I think the other young guns are stashable on the PS
 
really excited to see this team in a couple weeks...I dont expect W's, but I do expect some hope shown from the youth.


My breakout player for 2012: Reshad Jones
 
ckparrothead said:
He CAN play on the inside. He's done it before including in Miami. He can play all three receiver positions as a matter of fact. I disagree with the "no separation" dig at him. He creates separation all over the place and he gets a step on guys vertically as well. During his career, Chad Henne sucked at placing the deep vertical.

I just disagree with this notion that he's a slot specialist. To me he's more of a special player when he's playing mostly on the outside but also moved into the slot, maybe 2/3rds and 1/3rd, something like that.
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It's a small distinction but I said "no real separation". He can get the jump on DBs initially but he's very easily corralled. It's true also the ball placement at times was horrendous, but no OC has ever really regularly put him on slants or routes where he's taking the ball in stride because I think they know what he's good at and what he isn't. Hes kinda clutch when we need a key reception, which I like about him.
 
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