Time For A Soft Rebuild

[royalshank]

It's time for Miami to do the Minnesota style soft rebuild. Its time to stop spending money on Jordan Poyer, Kiko Alonso, Kyle Van Noy-level bandaids that don't move the needle but add up to cap space all the same. Stop spending both draft picks and cap to add the Jalen Ramseys and Bradley Chubbs. Stop sending late round picks for guys like Jeff Wilson who are going to marginally upgrade an area where you could use some help.

If you spend money at all, spend it retaining the young talent we have. This team couldn't retain Christian Wilkins, Robert Hunt, or Andrew Van Ginkle, players that we drafted and developed, not just because we spend high dollars on supposedly marquee players, some of which like Tyreek have delivered, but other slike Byron Jones did not, but also because all of those dollars that were spent on guys who were just there to fill a hole with a supposedly NFL body that you're paying millions to get the play of what a good draft pick could have offered.

You can cut ties with guys like Tyreek that are obviously entering the backside of their careers. But there is a middle ground to "win now" and trading everyone of any value. So often I've seen the Dolphins do whatever it takes so they can get "picks and money" and inevitably trading talented young players has involved spending a boatload of high picks over the next few years just trying to replace a player we already had on the roster. Laremy Tunsil turns into drafting Austin Jackson and Liam Eichenberg high and still not having an LT until you overpay for a fragile Terron Armstead, Vontae Davis turns into drafting Jamar Taylor and Will Davis among others, Minkah Fitzpatrick turns into Noah Igby, Jevon Holland, and some of the biggest free agent dollars ever spent at the time in a mid player like Byron Jones, etc. Look around the league, and you'll see that the good organizations have pretty much never had the "tear it all down" moments. They made trade players, but its either of the dealing from a position of strength, or getting rid of a guy a year before they fall off the cliff.

Having more picks doesn't always equate to being able to draft more good players either- it ends up involving a lot of reaches drafting for need, and its hard as hell to develop young players when they have nothing but other young players around them.

The Dolphins 2019 rebuild was a failure. We got rid of bad contracts after 2018 only to start blowing even more cap in 2020 compensating for the expansion-level talent we willfully created. Its time to stop the madness. Stop spending reckless money, supplement the young players we do have instead of yet again trying to build an entire football team from scratch.

I really like how you accurately depicted the “this guy was obtained to fill a hole for that guy” stuff - like Vontae etc. A bird in the hand. This org never learns.

 

[EasyRider]

Nah
No soft rebuild
Total restructure from top to bottom with a staff that believes in physical and strong fundamentals
There is nothing on this team that I like except for Achane, Waddle, Chop, Sieler and maybe one or two more
There’s nothing here to salvage
We’re not getting any younger

 

[3rdandinches]

Tua has to be perfect for us to win, enough is enough. New GM, Vrabel at coach please. Actually build an oline, and start bringing in defensive players with a chip on their shoulders.

 

[Sirspud]

I would absolutely start by firing the gm and the special teams coach. I would make upgrading right guard my number one offseason priority personnel wise. Plan b qb would be a priority as well as in someone who can handle themselves. If that means first round pick qb so be it. Tua deserves no more quarter

I mean I've got no problem getting rid of the GM and the HC. I'm just talking in regards to the roster.

McD just showed alarming shortcomings in his first season and there's just so many things that this team does that just reflect poor coaching. The penalties, the lack of ability to get plays in on time, the failure to develop young players by and large, and the failure to bring in competent assistants (a big reason why Flores had to be let go).

Grier isn't as bad as everyone says, but he had a chance at a rebuild and he built the roster backwards, blew picks trying to replace players he traded away, and got us into cap hell shortly after we reduced the roster to scraps to get out of cap hell.

 

[3rdandinches]

Tyreek is only a number 1 vs weak teams, no need to pay him number 1 money.

 

[Frisco Fin]

Nah
No soft rebuild
Total restructure from top to bottom with a staff that believes in physical and strong fundamentals
There is nothing on this team that I like except for Achane, Waddle, Chop, Sieler and maybe one or two more
There’s nothing here to salvage
We’re not getting any younger

Waddle? What on Earth has he done to earn the ridiculous $$ we are paying him?

 

[Sirspud]

Nah
No soft rebuild
Total restructure from top to bottom with a staff that believes in physical and strong fundamentals
There is nothing on this team that I like except for Achane, Waddle, Chop, Sieler and maybe one or two more
There’s nothing here to salvage
We’re not getting any younger

I disagree with you on QB, but on the guys who are keepers I mean we probably aren't that far apart. The problem is that almost everyone's version of not trying to win now involves trying to get whatever you can for the few obviously good players on the roster. Which more often than not involves just spending even more picks and resources trying to replace an asset you already had.

 

[EasyRider]

Waddle? What on Earth has he done to earn the ridiculous $$ we are paying him?

Really ? Three straight years with a 1000 yards and every time he gets hurt he’s always working himself on the sideline to get back in the game
I’ve been to the games and watched him

Your response is ignorant at best

 

[Sirspud]

Tyreek is only a number 1 vs weak teams, no need to pay him number 1 money.

He hasn't even been that this year. If there was any doubt, the fact that this game ended with the ball being in his hands and a defender pulling it out should have been the final nail.

I think Tyreek was necessary to get to the next step of Tua, but at the stage Tua is at right now give him an NFL caliber o line and he'd be better off than he is with a bottom feeder NFL line but two fast but one dimensional receivers.

Its a joke how little we've done to develop receivers other than Tyreek and Waddle though. Extremely damning to McD's case of being an offensive anything.

 

[Sirspud]

Really ? Three straight years with a 1000 yards and every time he gets hurt he’s always working himself on the sideline to get back in the game
I’ve been to the games and watched him

Your response is ignorant at best

People are directing hate on Waddle for not being able to do the things he can't do when the team should have had the competence at any point to complete the receiving corps with guys that offered a different skill than what Tyreek and Waddle can bring to the table.

 

[EasyRider]

People are directing hate on Waddle for not being able to do the things he can't do when the team should have had the competence at any point to complete the receiving corps with guys that offered a different skill than what Tyreek and Waddle can bring to the table.

Keep waddle and bring in a big WR

 

[Sirspud]

Keep waddle and bring in a big WR

Yep. As I've reference in our disagreements on the QB, we've limited ourselves

I actually think it is a "Culture" issue

I don't think we know how to win, we aren't tough enough, we don't or can't run the ball at crunch time and we don't have bruisers in a number of the skill positions and defensively, we play "not to lose" instead of playing to win

We also seem to "expect" to lose in big moments and we play scared with the offensive play calling

We need a culture change and I'm not sure this coaching staff is capable of it or can draft to help support it

Yes. I mean I can point out a ton of specific faults that McD presents but at the end of the day he does not impart a sense of physicality on anybody, nor does he bring in any assistants that do so. This team never looks led, it looks self-coached.

 

[brumdog44]

It's time for Miami to do the Minnesota style soft rebuild. Its time to stop spending money on Jordan Poyer, Kiko Alonso, Kyle Van Noy-level bandaids that don't move the needle but add up to cap space all the same. Stop spending both draft picks and cap to add the Jalen Ramseys and Bradley Chubbs. Stop sending late round picks for guys like Jeff Wilson who are going to marginally upgrade an area where you could use some help.

If you spend money at all, spend it retaining the young talent we have. This team couldn't retain Christian Wilkins, Robert Hunt, or Andrew Van Ginkle, players that we drafted and developed, not just because we spend high dollars on supposedly marquee players, some of which like Tyreek have delivered, but other slike Byron Jones did not, but also because all of those dollars that were spent on guys who were just there to fill a hole with a supposedly NFL body that you're paying millions to get the play of what a good draft pick could have offered.

One correction.....you say use money to retain our young guys but then give Robert Hunt as an example someone we didn't retain. Hunt had just finished his rookie contract. If you aren't going to spend money on guys coming off their rookie contract, how are you retaining your 'young guys'? Guys are locked into contracts for their first four seasons.

 

[Frisco Fin]

Really ? Three straight years with a 1000 yards and every time he gets hurt he’s always working himself on the sideline to get back in the game
I’ve been to the games and watched him

Your response is ignorant at best

Don’t take it so personal . 1000 yard seasons are < 60 per game . He’s not a difference maker for the $$ he is paid

 

[brumdog44]

People are directing hate on Waddle for not being able to do the things he can't do when the team should have had the competence at any point to complete the receiving corps with guys that offered a different skill than what Tyreek and Waddle can bring to the table.

Just a follow up......Jaylen Waddle is in his fourth season, same as Robert Hunt was when he left.