Tom gamble wants dion Jordan in philly

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It's pretty obvious that the Eagles would have taken Jordan at #4 if given the chance.

 

[dlockz]

"Trust me, the guy who went No. 3, we considered him heavily," Kelly told reporters Saturday, USA Today's Mike Garafolo wrote. "We didn't get a chance to pull the trigger on that one."

He did more than say something good about him. Also, look at Jordan's body language when he was drafted. He was expecting to go to Philadelphia, so he was in shock that Miami drafted him before his coach did. Jordan and Mingo are different players. Jordan is more athletic, and Mingo wouldn't be a good 3-4 outside linebacker.

No, Jordan was ranked as the top defensive guys by guys like Mike Mayock, who actually does real scouting, and doesn't change his rankings every week. He was also the number 1 defensive player on the Cowboys board. Now it's time for you to put your money where your mouth is. Why do you know more than some of the best draft experts, Jordan's former coach, the Eagles, and the Cowboys? Also, since you're such a good judge of talent, do you think that Jamar Taylor, Will Davis, Jelani Jenkins, Mike Gillislie, and Dallas Thomas are busts? Why or why not?

Im pretty sure that every so called draft expert did not think Jordan was the best player. Also reread your own quote we considered him heavily, doesn't mean we were going to take him. You choose to read that comment and interpret it how you feel . It said considered him not we were going to take him.
You do realize even though Mayock is a so called draft guru he has never been a scout . Im sure there were teams that had him number one defensive player on board, If your impressed that Jerry Jones thought he was best defensive player in draft then by all means be impressed. Also I never said I was such a good judge of talent although Im no worse than most of the so called draft experts that proclaim to be so good. Im not impressed with any of the players you named and outside of Gillislie would not have drafted any of them. I haven't called anyone a bust after one year that's beyond silly. I don't think Jordan will ever be worth the 3rd pick in the draft and would not have drafted him at 12 that's my opinion and I care less that some sports writer disagrees.

Also Mike Mayock's highest rated defensive player was Shariff Floyd He also had Chance Warmick as the 4th best player on his 100 board. I like Mayock, Im not going to make this about Mayock we agree quite a bit.
He had this to say about Pat White "Pat White is not a gimmick. He's one of those special players that there aren't many of every year." I totally disagreed. I don't base my opinions on what any draft guru has to say, if they make sense they resonate with me.

 

[Regulus]

A guy that looked as limited and as weak as Jordan did this year should not of been drafted at 3. I hope he develops into the player this board hopes even though it's highly unlikely. I would give him the Trent Richardson treatment and ship him to any team willing to give us a 1st for him. I don't know what player posters were watching but Jordan was dreadful against the run and displayed no pass rushing technique other than attempt to run around the tackle. If that failed he would stand motionless until the play was over. It was bizarre. The guy is a major project that I would rather let another team take on. Grab a 1st and get an immediate playmaker.

 

[dlockz]

It's pretty obvious that the Eagles would have taken Jordan at #4 if given the chance.

In your opinion but in reality none of us know. I mean if they wanted Jordan why would they all of a sudden switch gears to OT with Answah and Mingo still on board. We will never now the truth because no GM admits who they were going to take. I don't thin its unreasonable that a team might trade a late 1st to get Jordan because that's what I thought his value was anyway

 

[dlockz]

Well the Colts stupidly gave a 1st for T.Richardson

Yes they traded one late first round pick , not a 1st 2nd and a 3rd. I think Jordan still has value but no team is trading a high first rounder for him

 

[finsfan4life]

It's pretty obvious that the Eagles would have taken Jordan at #4 if given the chance.

Shhh, he tries to win an argument, it really doesn't matter what common sense says.

dlockz is not impressed with any of those guys because he hasn't seen them play in NFL games. Players have to play in NFL games before you can judge them, unless you've already made up your mind based on assumptions or ignorance.

 

[dlockz]

Shhh, he tries to win an argument, it really doesn't matter what common sense says.

dlockz is not impressed with any of those guys because he hasn't seen them play in NFL games. Players have to play in NFL games before you can judge them, unless you've already made up your mind based on assumptions or ignorance.

Please explain how that's common sense. They could have had Jordan if they wanted to , because Im sure Oakland didn't just call us. They said they would have considered him. So they miss on a De then divert to drafting a tackle with two similar rated DE's on board that isn't exactly common sense. Its possible they were going to take him but why cant you or anybody else admit you cannot say for sure. That's not common sense that's speculating on your part. Maybe you should think about what common sense is.
So you never have an opinion on a player until they play in an nfl game? My opinion hasn't changed since draft day on any of the guys you mentioned. Also if Im not mistaken Jordan did play 26.4 percent of our defensive snaps, so I have seen him play and outside of few eye catching plays, I saw way more non impact and bad plays. Cant play the run for squat.

 

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In your opinion but in reality none of us know. I mean if they wanted Jordan why would they all of a sudden switch gears to OT with Answah and Mingo still on board. We will never now the truth because no GM admits who they were going to take. I don't thin its unreasonable that a team might trade a late 1st to get Jordan because that's what I thought his value was anyway

I'm sure you won't be convinced until someone plainly states it, but there is plenty of evidence that Philly was ready to take him at #4. They talked about taking Jordan before and after the draft. heck, they are still talking about him a year later.

 

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Please explain how that's common sense. They could have had Jordan if they wanted to , because Im sure Oakland didn't just call us. They said they would have considered him. So they miss on a De then divert to drafting a tackle with two similar rated DE's on board that isn't exactly common sense. Its possible they were going to take him but why cant you or anybody else admit you cannot say for sure. That's not common sense that's speculating on your part. Maybe you should think about what common sense is.
So you never have an opinion on a player until they play in an nfl game? My opinion hasn't changed since draft day on any of the guys you mentioned. Also if Im not mistaken Jordan did play 26.4 percent of our defensive snaps, so I have seen him play and outside of few eye catching plays, I saw way more non impact and bad plays. Cant play the run for squat.

Oakland wanted a 3rd round pick to move from 4th to 3rd

"...When you start to get getting emotionally involved, and I was very conscious of that, then what do you have to do to move up?" Kelly said. "If you move up to get him, then that means you don't get Bennie Logan because you don't have a third-round pick or you don't get Matt Barkley because you don't have a fourth-round pick. It's the accumulation of putting the whole team together. It's saying, 'What are you willing to sacrifice to get one player?..." -Chip Kelly
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/...2013-eagles-chip-kelly-dion-jordan-considered

 

[dlockz]

I'm sure you won't be convinced until someone plainly states it, but there is plenty of evidence that Philly was ready to take him at #4. They talked about taking Jordan before and after the draft. heck, they are still talking about him a year later.

Im sure they liked the guy but that's not evidence that they would have took him. I don't know who he was going to take but he even said then it wasn't worth trading up one spot because he liked a lot of guys at 4.
Now talking about trading the 22nd pick for last year's third pick why wouldn't they but they are not all of a sudden throw a second and third round pick in also when they wouldn't do it last year

 

[dlockz]

Oakland wanted a 3rd round pick to move from 4th to 3rd

"...When you start to get getting emotionally involved, and I was very conscious of that, then what do you have to do to move up?" Kelly said. "If you move up to get him, then that means you don't get Bennie Logan because you don't have a third-round pick or you don't get Matt Barkley because you don't have a fourth-round pick. It's the accumulation of putting the whole team together. It's saying, 'What are you willing to sacrifice to get one player?..." -Chip Kelly
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/...2013-eagles-chip-kelly-dion-jordan-considered

That's not much to ask in terms of draft value. If Kelly really felt enamoured with Jordan , he would have gave that up in a second but he didn't.
That's a fair demand in relation to that part of the draft we gave up the 42nd pick to move up 9 spots, they wanted the 67th pick to move up on spot.
They traded the 3rd pick to us way below value for that pick which is indicative that nobody made a better offer

 

[dlockz]

I'm sure you won't be convinced until someone plainly states it, but there is plenty of evidence that Philly was ready to take him at #4. They talked about taking Jordan before and after the draft. heck, they are still talking about him a year later.

How would anyone be convinced without proof. You are mistaking evidence with conjecture.

 

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That's not much to ask in terms of draft value. If Kelly really felt enamoured with Jordan , he would have gave that up in a second but he didn't.
That's a fair demand in relation to that part of the draft

they ultimately didnt make the move but they mention the price of moving up, not how they feel about Jordan as to why.
what do you make of the "emotionally involved" line? Kinda sounds like he wanted Jordan...

 

[dlockz]

they ultimately didnt make the move but they mention the price of moving up, not how they feel about Jordan as to why.
what do you make of the "emotionally involved" line? Kinda sounds like he wanted Jordan...

I don't know if he was going to take him with that pick but Im sure anytime you have a player you have coached for years and he is a draft consideration there is emotional involvement.
I mean if he is there and you pass on him, some people assume u didn't feel he was that good when you may have had to make a difficult choice and choose the other guy. He may have very well wanted to take him, I don't know and I have stated that. The price was not high in my opinion if he thought he was a cant miss player. I trade that third all day if Im convinced that Jordan is the next Jason taylor.
You tell me you wouldn't have traded our third rounder in 2011 to trade up 4 spots to get JJ Watt

 

[finsfan4life]

they ultimately didnt make the move but they mention the price of moving up, not how they feel about Jordan as to why.
what do you make of the "emotionally involved" line? Kinda sounds like he wanted Jordan...

I'm not even going to bother with this dude anymore. The Eagles are STILL talking about wanting Jordan on their team, and we're debating about whether or not they wanted to draft him?

He said it all when he said, "My opinion hasn't changed since draft day on any of the guys you mentioned." Let's discuss cognitive dissonance. "Cognitive dissonance is that moment, that feeling, when your brain reacts defensively to new information which threatens existing beliefs, or when you do something which you are consciously opposed to, or when two attitudes or thoughts contradict: that feeling of inner tension which every one of us knows. Really, dissonance is tied together with our desire to feel that we are right, that we make good decisions, that our actions reflect our values, and that our point of view is reliable."