troy aikman spouts off on #34

[ohall]

They easily could have.. All the philandering and coke use.. He could have been locked up, then what? Would he still be a better man than Ricky because he didnt quit on his own accord? It would have had the same effect.. They both would have done it to themselves..

Im sorry, but I just dont see the argument that Irvin is somehow a better teamate than Ricky..

lol who mentioned anything about being a better or worse man?

However if someone is locked up for using or selling drugs I would suspect their team mates would accept them back quicker than someone who quit days before TC to go smoke pot in Australia and India.

No doubt Irvin was a much better team mate. Irvin never quit on his team, he left everything on the field at all times. He was always there for his team mates, period. I do not think Wicky can say that.

 

[ohall]

Riggins DID quit just before trainig camo... he admitted himself interview on 790. I think Yesterday.

I dont know how you cant admit that Rickys quitting did more for turning this franchine into something better than any part of last year. Ricky quitting only exposed how pathetic this team was being lead. I dont know if was really mad at Ricky last year... i was more angry that this team was so ill prepared to handle the adversity. If Ricky was injured then what.. who is to blame for last years travesty?
I sense your anger brother.. i truly do... But carrying it on makes no sense. Hes here now... you may not like it.... but you must admit having Ricky & Ronnie in the backfield is absolutely lethal! Ricky has been a question mark ever since he entered the league. I guess my point is when he puts on the pads.. hes devastating. A record nimber of carries that every analyst admitted that if it continued he wouldnt survive.

Now that hes here.. lets hope he plays.. as he did in 2003.. when he was stoned. and yes.. we have Ronnie... this is ano brainer.. theres nothing to lose.. for Ricky.. theres everything to gain!

That would be news. If he did I'm sure it took a while for his team mates to accept him back and to fully trust him. I hope things workout GREAT for Wicky. I hope he can finally turn the page on his weirdness.

lol and there's no anger. I am just amazed at the standards that we as society accept in today's world. Wicky just knocked that whole situation down another notch or two. It's kind of sad. is all.

 

[SkapePhin]

lol who mentioned anything about being a better or worse man?

However if someone is locked up for using or selling drugs I would suspect their team mates would accept them back quicker than someone who quit days before TC to go smoke pot in Australia and India.

No doubt Irvin was a much better team mate. Irvin never quit on his team, he left everything on the field at all times. He was always there for his team mates, period. I do not think Wicky can say that.

How can you be there for your teammates if you are locked up for coke use? or dead from an OD? Seriously, was he thinking of the potential negagitive ramification his actions could have on his teamates when he was snorting lines? Thinking of the possibility that his actions might prohibit him from helping them? Was he even thinking of his kids or wife? No.. He was thinking of himself... The same as Ricky...

So stop saying they are all that different, because they're not.. In fact, he wasnt there for the teamates he "loved" so much due to his selfish actions...

In March of 1996, Irvin was arrested on charges of cocaine possession at a hotel party celebrating his 30th birthday. He pled no contest to the charges and was sentenced to community service and probation. The NFL suspended Irvin for the first five games of the 1996 season.

In Irvin's 1996 absence, the Cowboys struggled out of the gate and never recovered. Upon his return from suspension, Irvin tallied 962 receiving yards in only 11 games.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae...2C_assault_allegation.2C_career-ending_injury

The only difference is, Ricky has a clinical condition that aided in his decision to flee once caught..

 

[ohall]

How can you be there for your teammates if you are locked up for coke use? or dead from an OD? Seriously, was he thinking of the potential negagitive ramification his actions could have on his teamates when he was snorting lines? Thinking of the possibility that his actions might prohibit him from helping them? Was he even thinking of his kids or wife? No.. He was thinking of himself... The same as Ricky...

This kind of thinking?

Indeed, I agree, this kind of thinking. Always trying to fight about the lil things gets really old with you.

If you want to compare a football player that had personal issues that never once failed his team mates to a football player who was trying to workout his personal issues while smoking pot in India and Australia while quiting on his team mates and the fans more power to you brother.

No one is defending Irvin's off the field issues. But no one can say that man ever failed his team, team mates or the fans in Dallas as far as being their to give up his body to play the game. The guy almost lost his freaking life playing football for that team and city.

Can Wicky ever say that ever again?

 

[ohall]

How can you be there for your teammates if you are locked up for coke use? or dead from an OD? Seriously, was he thinking of the potential negagitive ramification his actions could have on his teamates when he was snorting lines? Thinking of the possibility that his actions might prohibit him from helping them? Was he even thinking of his kids or wife? No.. He was thinking of himself... The same as Ricky...

So stop saying they are all that different, because they're not.. In fact, he wasnt there for the teamates he "loved" so much due to his selfish actions...

In March of 1996, Irvin was arrested on charges of cocaine possession at a hotel party celebrating his 30th birthday. He pled no contest to the charges and was sentenced to community service and probation. The NFL suspended Irvin for the first five games of the 1996 season.

In Irvin's 1996 absence, the Cowboys struggled out of the gate and never recovered. Upon his return from suspension, Irvin tallied 962 receiving yards in only 11 games.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae...2C_assault_allegation.2C_career-ending_injury

The only difference is, Ricky has a clinical condition that aided in his decision to flee once caught..

OK I'll answer this version of your post.

I know of no clinical condition. No one has any evidence that Wicky is CURRENTLY suffering from any clinical condition. If he was wouldn't he still be on those drugs that are supposed to help him? Has he not made it clear he stopped taking I believe he said it was PAXIL 3 years ago? What clinical condition?

Wicky quit on his team to go smoke pot and to try and hide public embrrasement over the fact he had failed drug tests 3 times in the NFL. Go right ahead and defend the guy. I won't, he is not worth defending. But I wish him the best in the future. But there's no reason to sugar coat what the man did.

I hope the ppl around him are not all excusing his past actions like some on here are just because he is wearing aqua and orange again. I hope there are ppl around him that actually care about him, the person and will not minimize or lie to him just because they may hurt his feelings. The guy obviously has issues, but no more do I think it is clinical in nature.

 

[SkapePhin]

Always spinning trying to argue about the lil things. It really gets old.

This kind of thinking?

Indeed, I agree, this kind of thinking. Always trying to fight about the lil things gets really old with you.

If you want to compare a football player that had personal issues that never once failed his team mates to a football player who was trying to workout his personal issues while smoking pot in India and Australia while quiting on his team mates and the fans more power to you brother.

No one is defending Irvin's off the field issues. But no one can say that man ever failed his team, team mates or the fans in Dallas as far as being their to give up his body to play the game. The guy almost lost his freaking life playing football for that team and city.

Can Wicky ever say that ever again?

Please..
Now we have simpathy for the convicted cokehead and philanderer because he suffered a brutal injury that ANY football player, including Ricky, knows there is a risk of occuring? You dont have to be a good teamate or player to almost give up your life in football.. It could happen to anyone, anytime, even the crappiest player, and even the most selfish and poor character player.. Sure, Im glad it didnt end his life, I beleive a man can reform himself, and I wish death on noone except those who take and ruin lives of others.. But this doesnt mean Irvin is somehow more worthy of a fans cheers than Ricky.. For all you know Ricky could be paralyzed tommorow at training camp.. Would that mean Ricky then almost gave up his life for Miami?

You cannot differentiate Irvin from Ricky.. They are both selfish, and once-upon-a-time drug abusers... Thing is, Ricky has a clinical disorder, Irvin did not, although he might have had bouts of depression if I am not mistaken, but not SAD.. Taking SAD into consideration, it is easy to see why Ricky would run once caught for his selfish actions...

Many people have 'butterflies' or minor nerves before a date, party, or some other event that will put them on public display, but that usually does not prevent them from attending. A true social phobia is an overwhelming fear, which in extreme cases can keep the sufferer housebound and isolated for long periods of time.

Another type of this degree is the aforementioned "social trauma" in which it is an overwhelming fear that sufferers are often abnormally afraid of being judged, watched and possibly traumatically and publically humiliated (including being thrown out and banned) in public as a result of their actions, behaviour or appearance, thus leading to isolation and reclusion as a lesson learned the hard way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Anxiety_Disorder

ISOLATION and RECLUSION... What did Ricky do? He became a runaway recluse.. If Irvin had SAD, he would have ran too.. no matter how good of a teamate you believe him to be.

 

[Doktor Ivel]

thats so dumb, if marino would have been on the Cowboys or the 49ers, back then, he'd have at least 4 super bowl rings.

 

[MarinoIsKeen]

lol, someone needs to use the Wayback machine and go back about a year ago. 99.5 % of peeps on here was calling Ricky everything under the sun, 'cuz that was the fashionable thing to do. Now that they've wiped their memories cleaned of that, anyone that voices their opinion against Ricky is now an a-hole. The best thing to do is to close your eyes and plug your ears when someone says something "bad." Lol, too much.

 

[SkapePhin]

OK I'll answer this version of your post.

I know of no clinical condition. No one has any evidence that Wicky is CURRENTLY suffering from any clinical condition. If he was wouldn't he still be on those drugs that are supposed to help him? Has he not made it clear he stopped taking I believe he said it was PAXIL 3 years ago? What clinical condition?

Wicky quit on his team to go smoke pot and to try and hide public embrrasement over the fact he had failed drug tests 3 times in the NFL. Go right ahead and defend the guy. I won't, he is not worth defending. But I wish him the best in the future. But there's no reason to sugar coat what the man did.

I hope the ppl around him are not all excusing his past actions like some on here are just because he is wearing aqua and orange again. I hope there are ppl around him that actually care about him, the person and will not minimize or lie to him just because they may hurt his feelings. The guy obviously has issues, but no more do I think it is clinical in nature.

A DISORDER does not simply vanish.. You have to fix it somehow.. I find it hard to believe Ricky had it fixed before he dipped.. The medicine doesnt cure it, it masks it... He was off the meds, but he hadnt cured himself..

My opinion is, after seeing his press conference, is that during his time off, he finally began getting help to CURE it.. That holistic healing school might have even been an avenue... I think he got therapy, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behaviour_therapy.. Thats how you fix SAD..

If you look back at how he behaved, and what caused his retirement and the manner he did it, its classic SAD..

 

[ohall]

Please..
Now we have simpathy for the convicted cokehead and philanderer because he suffered a brutal injury that ANY football player, including Ricky, knows there is a risk of occuring? You dont have to be a good teamate or player to almost give up your life in football.. It could happen to anyone, anytime, even the crappiest player, and even the most selfish and poor character player.. Sure, Im glad it didnt end his life, I beleive a man can reform himself, and I wish death on noone except those who take and ruin lives of others.. But this doesnt mean Irvin is somehow more worthy of a fans cheers than Ricky.. For all you know Ricky could be paralyzed tommorow at training camp.. Would that mean Ricky then almost gave up his life for Miami?

You cannot differentiate Irvin from Ricky.. They are both selfish, and once-upon-a-time drug abusers... Thing is, Ricky has a clinical disorder, Irvin did not, although he might have had bouts of depression if I am not mistaken, but not SAD.. Taking SAD into consideration, it is easy to see why Ricky would run once caught for his selfish actions...

Many people have 'butterflies' or minor nerves before a date, party, or some other event that will put them on public display, but that usually does not prevent them from attending. A true social phobia is an overwhelming fear, which in extreme cases can keep the sufferer housebound and isolated for long periods of time.

Another type of this degree is the aforementioned "social trauma" in which it is an overwhelming fear that sufferers are often abnormally afraid of being judged, watched and possibly traumatically and publically humiliated (including being thrown out and banned) in public as a result of their actions, behaviour or appearance, thus leading to isolation and reclusion as a lesson learned the hard way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Anxiety_Disorder

ISOLATION and RECLUSION... What did Ricky do? He became a runaway recluse.. If Irvin had SAD, he would have ran too.. no matter how good of a teamate you believe him to be.

This has nothing to do with Irvin, can we move on now?

lol

 

[ohall]

A DISORDER does not simply vanish.. You have to fix it somehow.. I find it hard to believe Ricky had it fixed before he dipped.. The medicine doesnt cure it, it masks it... He was off the meds, but he hadnt cured himself..

My opinion is, after seeing his press conference, is that during his time off, he finally began getting help to CURE it.. That holistic healing school might have even been an avenue... I think he got therapy, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behaviour_therapy.. Thats how you fix SAD..

If you look back at how he behaved, and what caused his retirement and the manner he did it, its classic SAD..

People are constantly wrongly diagnosed with disorders. So yes some times in fact a lot of the time in a way they do just go away.

I know of no known confirmed clinical disorder when it comes to Wicky. We may all have our opinions, but that is all they are. And for the record that is fine with me. It can be fun to talk about what ifs at times.

But I'm sure you will continue to minimize what Wicky did based on this unknown clinical disorder. I don't know why, but there you go.

 

[MrClean]

You don't know that, nor do I know that. We do however know Wicky has lost in the neighborhood of 10 million dollars to go smoke pot in India and Australia.

And more to the point, the reason most ppl do not trust Wicky is because of why and when he quit playing football. If he decided hey I am going to quit and it was April and he did not just fail his 3 drug test I don't think anyone would have one negative word to say about Wicky.

Wouldn't you agree?

What don't we know? How much Irvin spent on coke or whether or not he used it? The latter is very well confirmed, so I will presume you mean the former, which of course we do not the exact dollar figure other than at what the stuff is said to sell for, it would have been a pretty substantial sum.

As for if Ricky quit under the conditions you describe, would anyone have something negative to say or not, likely not as many, though some would still put him down, since many are quick to jump on anything.

 

[SkapePhin]

This has nothing to do with Irvin, can we move on now?

lol

Dodge much? Sheesh...

I just explained to you how Irvin and Williams were the SAME EXACT type of players and teamates.. And the one crucial difference, Social Anxiety Disorder..

Do you dispute that they were both star players, beasts on the field? Giving up their bodies for the game and their team when they played?

Now, do you dispute that they were both selfish, and apt to abuse mind-altering substances in order to make themselves feel better, even at the expense of those around them?

I dont see how you can..

Now can you dispute that Ricky was diagnosed with SAD?
Can you then dispute the symptoms that those with SAD display when faced with certain circumstances?

No. Ricky is Irvin with SAD. Troy shouldnt be bitching because he played with and befriended the exact same type of player...

 

[DuderinoN703]

Nothing that anyone says in the media has anything to do with how this team plays. They can say Ricky will suck, or quit, or that his teammates shouldn't have accepted him back.

When the truth is, his teammates for the most part DID accept him back, and whether the media likes it or not, Ricky is a Dolphin. Who is Aikman? And Theismann? And anyone else for that matter? Winning Super Bowls give you the right to speak out?

So much negativity this offseason, I don't think it's ever been this bad

 

[ohall]

Dodge much? Sheesh...

I just explained to you how Irvin and Williams were the SAME EXACT type of players and teamates.. And the one crucial difference, Social Anxiety Disorder..

Do you dispute that they were both star players, beasts on the field? Giving up their bodies for the game and their team when they played?

Now, do you dispute that they were both selfish, and apt to abuse mind-altering substances in order to make themselves feel better, even at the expense of those around them?

I dont see how you can..

Now can you dispute that Ricky was diagnosed with SAD?
Can you then dispute the symptoms that those with SAD display when faced with certain circumstances?

No. Ricky is Irvin with SAD. Troy shouldnt be bitching because he played with and befriended the exact same type of player...

Actually no you did not. That is just opinion. There is no confirmed clinical disorder when it concerns Wicky. We may all have our opinions about that, but that is all they are.

And no Irvin never quit on his team mates.

And Irvin has nothing to do with this, can we move on now?