tl77
Too high to fail
not very well, Cowher:
11-5
9-7
12-4
11-5
10-6
11-5
7-9
6-10
9-7
13-3
10-5-1
6-10
15-1
11-5
8-8
Try this coaching record on for size
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not very well, Cowher:
11-5
9-7
12-4
11-5
10-6
11-5
7-9
6-10
9-7
13-3
10-5-1
6-10
15-1
11-5
8-8
H4wt Pocket
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Mid 90's. Team has been a disappointment for most of my life.
Also, it's not the record that bothers me with Philbin. Before the season started I expected between 7-9 and 9-7 and no playoffs. What really pisses me off is how completely flat and uninspired this team was the final two weeks. Win and we're in...it was that ****ing simple. Instead the team gets blown out by two divisional opponents in embarrassing fashion. We scored 7 points in the final 2 games. We scored one time in the last what...30 drives of the season? That is truly ****ing awful.
That's the other thing that really bothers me with Philbin...he doesn't seem to see any issue with how incredibly inept our offense was in those final two games. He still supports Sherman and wants him back. I don't give two ****s if he's your mentor and friend. Hell, I wouldn't care if he was your brother. He clearly isn't getting the job done and absolutely has to go. If Philbin is completely okay with backing Sherman and that putrid offense, I can't stand behind Philbin.
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Again, people throwing up stats with NO CLUE the journey and mountain this man has had to climb within his own organization. Idiots... I say again, Idiots have ran the Cincinnati Bengals for DECADES. Narrow-minded, short-sighted non-football people making draft picks and overpaying old free agents simply because the family felt they were the only ones who knew how to run a football team. With little or no experience or knowledge to do so.
If your only measure of a coach is his wins and losses, please stop reading.
Marvin Lewis has had every handicap known to a coach during his tenure. And just when it seemed he was on his way out, he convinced the family to change how they approach owning a team. Decades of entrenched dogma was defeated.
Looking at his record, it seems he was just an average coach. When you factor in every aspect of his coaching tenure: 1) small market team, 2) family owned and operated, 3) lack of facilities, 4) shared stadium, 5) no established history of success, 6) 4 Super Bowl participants from his division during his tenure, 7) no franchise caliber players on his team during most of his tenure, 8) a team that did not spend much money in free agency, 9) not allowed to draft his own players, 10) not able to keep drafted players that played well and the list goes on....
If you judge based on numbers, it probably explains why you don't coach in the NFL and Marvin Lewis does.
And furthermore, if you judge based on numbers why don't we still have Wanny?
If your only measure of a coach is his wins and losses, please stop reading.
Marvin Lewis has had every handicap known to a coach during his tenure. And just when it seemed he was on his way out, he convinced the family to change how they approach owning a team. Decades of entrenched dogma was defeated.
Looking at his record, it seems he was just an average coach. When you factor in every aspect of his coaching tenure: 1) small market team, 2) family owned and operated, 3) lack of facilities, 4) shared stadium, 5) no established history of success, 6) 4 Super Bowl participants from his division during his tenure, 7) no franchise caliber players on his team during most of his tenure, 8) a team that did not spend much money in free agency, 9) not allowed to draft his own players, 10) not able to keep drafted players that played well and the list goes on....
If you judge based on numbers, it probably explains why you don't coach in the NFL and Marvin Lewis does.
And furthermore, if you judge based on numbers why don't we still have Wanny?
tl77
Too high to fail
Again, you do know this thread was titled "Try this coaching record on for size"
Most comments are pertaining to the original post, which asks if you would want this WIN LOSS RECORD. So you can give all the reasons for that record you want, probably valid, but again the question posed was regarding the wins/losses by a coach.
roy_miami
2020 cant get here soon enough
Palmer looked pretty good until he messed his knee up. Now he has Dalton looking pretty good as well.
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Actually, the OP's entire post pursues the fact that numbers are deceiving. And thus judging a coach on wins/losses is near sighted. I furthered his point by providing back story and details into the exact struggle that Marvin Lewis has endured while compiling that record.
Maybe you are not interpreting my posts correctly or simply wish to antagonize. And, the OP never directly asks or implies "if you would want this win loss record". In fact, he never asks a question. In fact, his intention is to illustrate that records and numbers do not directly measure success in totality.
He merely wants the readers to ponder the notion that success is measured over time and not just by championships, but by the impact the agent of change has on his environment.
Marvin Lewis' success has yet to fill his trophy chest with a championship, but it has established a culture of winning in an organization that was severely deficient and without a means or direction to attain it.
The OP challenges the reader to qualify what success truly means in assessing a coach.
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Most coaches in small market teams would have seen their career quickly derail after Palmer's injury. Most small market coaches only get one bite at a above average QB.
Dalton is no Palmer and Palmer is not Peyton, but Lewis' coaching ability once again help them overcome huge obstacles and maintain the foundation he was building.
Around here, Cincinnati fans get mad when they don't win. They use to take losing in stride; "maybe next year". I guess it really became obvious for me this year when a Bengals' fan screamed "I can't believe we just lost to the lowly Dolphins!" when Dalton was sacked in the end zone.
But flash forward to how they ended the year and how we ended the year. That was a team handling their business. They didn't crumble. A decade ago, they would have just been happy to be in overtime with the Dolphins.
Times have changed.
We can't keep blowing it up.
tl77
Too high to fail
This. Well, maybe not your posts exactly, but the op post. Def not antagonizing. I appreciate your analysis on what the op was getting at as after I read it, I viewed it in a different light. After reading op, I went right and you went left so to speak.
roy_miami
2020 cant get here soon enough
I tried to quantify a coach's impact using passer ratings with the thinking that the best coaches should win the majority of games when they get good QB performances. Even before this excercise I've felt we have a lot of similarities with the Bengals, Tannehill and Dalton are at similar levels and I believe Philbin could give us similar results to Lewis over the long haul--worst case. Some of the coaches win percentages when their QB has a 90 rating or higher:
Jim Harbaugh: 93%
Joe Philbin: 92%
Bill Belichick: 91%
Marvin Lewis: 90%
John Harbaugh: 81%
Jim Schwartz: 76%
Phillip Rivers coaches: 69%
Tony Romo coaches: 56%
Tony Sparano: 56%
Small sample size (just used the last 4 seasons) and there is nothing conclusive and maybe these numbers mean nothing at all but I feel like Philbin can be good, I know he's not a moron like so many of our coaches over the past few decades and these numbers seem to be intriguing (to me anyway). I might try something similar at some point but more in depth.
Jim Harbaugh: 93%
Joe Philbin: 92%
Bill Belichick: 91%
Marvin Lewis: 90%
John Harbaugh: 81%
Jim Schwartz: 76%
Phillip Rivers coaches: 69%
Tony Romo coaches: 56%
Tony Sparano: 56%
Small sample size (just used the last 4 seasons) and there is nothing conclusive and maybe these numbers mean nothing at all but I feel like Philbin can be good, I know he's not a moron like so many of our coaches over the past few decades and these numbers seem to be intriguing (to me anyway). I might try something similar at some point but more in depth.
tl77
Too high to fail
I'm definitely not closing the door on Philbin whether he can be good or not. For myself and fans, it can be easier to rush to judgement than have patience, when patience in the overall franchise has led to little. I hope he shows the ability to change/adapt in the coming year. I'm not a fan of Sherman or having Taylor as qb coach. Yes Tannehill has improved with him there, but I have to think he would improve regardless. IF he's the qb we hope for for the future.
If Ross gives Philbin a longer leash and is not a lame duck next year, I'd like to see him bring in a dynamic offensive mind. Bring in someone with more qb coaching experience to address some of Tannehills flaws and get him to the next level. I don't think if Philbin comes back we are doomed, but if everything stays exactly the same I have a harder time believing we will be successful sooner rather than later.
If Ross gives Philbin a longer leash and is not a lame duck next year, I'd like to see him bring in a dynamic offensive mind. Bring in someone with more qb coaching experience to address some of Tannehills flaws and get him to the next level. I don't think if Philbin comes back we are doomed, but if everything stays exactly the same I have a harder time believing we will be successful sooner rather than later.
Marvin Lewis coached the greatest defense of all time before being hired as an HC. He was a historically successful coordinator. That's going to buy you some time. Joe grinded his way up through the Packers organization and was an OC who didn't call plays. I don't know what Philbin has ever shown all the way to this late point in his life that would be considered unique or special.