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That's pretty pathetic, and the Bengals almost didn't make it to the playoffs this year. I feel sorry for the bengals franchise and the whole fan base. Being garbage for 11 years is not something I want, that just shows consistent mediocrity with a horrible coach, Surprised he lasted that long. Bad comparison if you ask me, doesn't make me feel any better.
 
That's pretty pathetic, and the Bengals almost didn't make it to the playoffs this year. I feel sorry for the bengals franchise and the whole fan base. Being garbage for 11 years is not something I want, that just shows consistent mediocrity with a horrible coach, Surprised he lasted that long. Bad comparison if you ask me, doesn't make me feel any better.


That sucks, cause thats exactly what you got with miami. Its actually closer to 21 years than 11.
 
Show me a coach that wins the Super Bowl next year guaranteed and yes I'm on board for hiring him.

Waiting...............
 
He should have been fired Monday with the other bums then in your opinion?

Here is my feeling this week..I am tired of all the blame going to the Jeff Ireland and Mike Sherman...and Philbin skates by. It bothers me.

I have wanted some continuity, but with all of this talk of a new GM, staff changes etc. at the end of the day, what is so valuable about Joe coming back? I still cannot answer it. If you are going to change that much of the organization, why not start (again) anew.

I do not think Joe will get canned in the end. However, I am being honest, I am not sure what is so valuable about Philbin returning.
 
Show me a coach that wins the Super Bowl next year guaranteed and yes I'm on board for hiring him.

Waiting...............

That's good, argue something that no one is saying. Not one person here said they know who can/will win it next year. They have however argued points that are actually relevant. No team in the history of the NFL hired a coach because they knew with 100% certainty he would win a superbowl.

oh and:

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
 
Oh and here's this:

Per @AdamHBeasley " One league source intimately familiar with the situation went so far as to say Sherman is “running the team."

Ya Philbins such a good coach, he doesn't even have to coach!
 
Marvin Lewis Extension in 2010 after 4-12 season

Over the past year, I have nearly wrote several posts about Marvin Lewis' turning point in Cincinnati. Living in Kentucky, I've seen first hand how his tenure has played out. It is not what is seems. Lewis' journey has been one of endurance and patience to overcome a team run by a family filled with pride but lacking in modern NFL expertise.

Cincinnati is a classic tale of a small market team with insufficient funds to compete on an uneven playing field year in and year out. Before Lewis, Cincinnati was the classic small school of NFL football. Every 10 years or so, they would have a chance at a playoff run. The right combination of free agents and matured draft picks at the end of their rookie contracts would blend into a team that could produce a playoff appearance. Maybe even a victory.

Being a small market team and in direct competition with the Big Red Machine in the same stadium, the Bengals could not afford to keep their own drafted stars or purchase more than 1 or 2 decent free agents in a given year. Compounding the problem was the Brown family's reluctance to allow anyone's opinion on drafting other than their own. The Brown's drafted the players and Coach X was tasked with winning with those players, regardless of scheme fit or team need. Many coaches have failed. Many retread stars have played on overpaid contracts simply to fill seats.

Keep in mind, their small budget and operating income even deprives the team of proper facilities. For decades, the Bengals have conducted yearly Training Camps at Georgetown College in Georgetown, KY. It is not even Division I facilities.

Marvin Lewis was one of the league's championed minority hirings. And he took a job considered to be the NFL graveyard for coaching and players. But his task was one probably one of the hardest in the NFL: Win were very few can with players you don't pick and ones no one else wanted.

For 8 years, Lewis played the script better than most had before him. Carson Palmer's injury derailed a promising collection of talent. And a few years later the whole collection derailed and a 4-12 season was all to show for Lewis' last year of his contract.

Instead of begging for a new contract, Lewis did the unthinkable and went to the owner asking for more money, more control over personnel and better facilities. What he didn't receive immediately, he got promises. And since then, Cincinnati has begun to transform into an organization with better drafting, sustained success and a destination for free agents in their prime and not in their twilight. They are keeping their own drafted prospects instead of losing them in free agency.

Cincinnati finally built separate stadiums for the Bengals and Reds. The Bengals now host their own Training Camps in their stadium. No longer needing the Georgetown College facilities.

Lewis has climbed a big mountain. And while most fans look at his overall record and bad seasons as signs of bad coaching, they miss the point. Marvin Lewis' first 8 years were him playing ball with ownership. Doing the best with the talent given and proving he could win and get to the playoffs. After two 4 win seasons in his last 3, he decided to make a play most coaches would not even consider while his career hung in the balance.

Marvin Lewis changed the culture in Cincinnati. It took 8 years but he finally got ownership and the fans to understand he was the right fit for their organization.

To be honest, our situation is not much different. And regardless of how we got here, we must truly understand the enormity and scope of our problems as an organization.

Hate as we may missing the playoffs, Bully Gate, Go and Go Go, a #3 Pick who hasn't truly tasted the field, Keller's injury, a Leadership Council no longer here, this younger LB not being better than an older LB or any other reason we can come up with for losing, we have MUCH bigger issues.

We have men fighting to keep their coaching jobs and trying to maintain continuity in their staff and in the Front Office. And regardless of the names or faces, when you have people fighting for their jobs to help continue learning and building what they truly feel is a winner.... we need to let them have enough time to learn from mistakes and continue to improve us as a team and organization.

7-9 and 8-8 with at least 4 miserable losses that were in our ability to win. And we have a Franchise QB. Stay the course, let them learn, be patient. The road we are on is better than the roads we have been. Let's see where it truly goes.

Marvin Lewis changed a culture stagnate for decades. We have one too.
 
I just can't believe Dolphin fans, DOLPHIN FANS!?! would snub their noses at what Marvin Lewis has accomplished in Cincy. When was the last time we went to the playoffs in back to back to back seasons? When was the last time we were 8-0 at home? Its ****ing ridiculous for fans of THE DOLPHINS to look at their team and go pfffffftt. Spoiled mother****ers. If we can't have Shula 2.0 then nobody is good enough for us.
 
Yr 1 8-8
Yr 2 8-8
Yr 3 11-5
Yr 4 8-8
Yr 5 7-9
Yr 6 4-11-1
Yr 7 10-6
Yr 8 4-12
Yr 9 9-7
Yr 10 10-6
Yr 11 11-5

Playoff record 0-4

That folks is Marvin Lewis' record with Cincinnati. They have a solid team even though most would agree their owner is a dip stick.

Most on this board would have dropped him after those first 2 .500 seasons. His team has dropped to some 4 win seasons but the management has stayed the course. This year they have a solid chance to make a run.

You see building a consistent culture is a process. Oh and Marvin isn't some emotional nut on the sidelines pumping his players up. He's a leader and brings a tremendous knowledge of the game to the table every game and every year.

Winning Super Bowls is freaking hard guys. You don't just buy some free agents have a 2nd year QB and go 14-2 and march thru the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. Great teams are those that year in year out stick to their plan, the players buy in to that system or they can take a hike. Over a period of time if your QB develops you have opportunities to make a run. Even then ITS FOOTBALL AND BAD STUFF HAPPENS.

The patriots went 18-0 only to lose the only game that mattered!!!

Green Bay is great with Rodgers but they've had an off year mainly because of injuries. Doesn't mean fire McCarthy.

John Fox was canned by the Panthers only to catch on with Denver and Peyton f'ing Manning. What do you know he's brilliant.

I believe in Joe and Tannehill. They are the best coach/QB combo this team has had since Marino. It just takes time and maybe more time than anybody including myself likes.

I agree Sherman called some awful plays but his O line was downright awful and the system they REALLY WANT TO RUN CANT BE DONE BECAUSE THE PERSONNEL ISNT QUITE THERE.

Given time like Marvin Lewis, Joe Philbin WILL GET THE MIAMI DOLPHINS IN THE PLAYOFFS WITH A CHANCE TO MAKE IT ALL THE WAY.

It's up to the players to execute, make enough plays, and capitalize on those opportunities. This year they didn't but next year they may

Some on this board would have fired Don Shula
 
Some on this board would have fired Don Shula

Guessing not, If any coach comes in with a start like Shula, he's in for the long haul. Friendly reminder of the master's work:

1970 40 Miami Dolphins NFL 10 4 0
1971 41 Miami Dolphins NFL 10 3 1
1972 42 Miami Dolphins NFL 14 0 0
1973 43 Miami Dolphins NFL 12 2 0
1974 44 Miami Dolphins NFL 11 3 0
1975 45 Miami Dolphins NFL 10 4 0
1976 46 Miami Dolphins NFL 6 8 0
1977 47 Miami Dolphins NFL 10 4 0
1978 48 Miami Dolphins NFL 11 5 0
1979 49 Miami Dolphins NFL 10 6 0
1980 50 Miami Dolphins NFL 8 8 0
1981 51 Miami Dolphins NFL 11 4 1
1982 52 Miami Dolphins NFL 7 2 0
1983 53 Miami Dolphins NFL 12 4 0
1984 54 Miami Dolphins NFL 14 2 0
1985 55 Miami Dolphins NFL 12 4 0
1986 56 Miami Dolphins NFL 8 8 0
1987 57 Miami Dolphins NFL 8 7 0
1988 58 Miami Dolphins NFL 6 10 0
1989 59 Miami Dolphins NFL 8 8 0
1990 60 Miami Dolphins NFL 12 4 0
1991 61 Miami Dolphins NFL 8 8 0
1992 62 Miami Dolphins NFL 11 5 0
1993 63 Miami Dolphins NFL 9 7 0
1994 64 Miami Dolphins NFL 10 6 0
1995 65 Miami Dolphins NFL 9 7 0
 
You know you're in deep **** if you're aspiring to have a coach as great as Marvin Lewis. 5 winning seasons out of 11 is mediocre...certainly nothing impressive. However, the one thing that really stands out is zero playoff wins in all his years there. He's been in Cincy for 10 years (11, but I'm not counting this season since they haven't played their playoff game yet) and doesn't even have one single playoff win. Sorry, but that's absolutely not what I'm looking for. I haven't seen a playoff win in over 10 years...I'd rather it not be another 10 before our next one.

I'm not saying you fire any coach that doesn't immediately right the ship in year one. I do agree that it takes time to turn a franchise around. However, I'm not willing to wait an entire decade for a coach to get his first playoff win. That's not acceptable.
 
OK, you guys don't like the Marvin Lewis comparison? Try Bill Walsh. (see below) Started coaching in 1966 with the Raiders before moving on to the Bengals. The man CREATED the west coast offense, which is supposedly "Joes offense of choice". If the great Bill Walsh starts 2-14, and 6-10 while he assembles the players he needs to run his system, than maybe we should give a guy that has NEVER been a head coach juuust a bit more leeway. Check out the great season the Niners had after winning the Super Bowl (strike year 3-6) while Shula got the fins to the Super Bowl.....guess it was a bit harder to find "scabs" that Walsh could run his system with.
And as far as "Sherman running the team".....that may be a little overblown, but maybe Ross and Ireland figured they liked what they saw in Joe, named him head coach, and brought in Sherman to help guide him through waters he has never been in before. So now they have a HC, they have an OC helping him find his way, and oh, by the way draft the OCs college QB so he doesn't have to learn a different system than what he was in while in college, allowing him to start from day one.
Season two, bring in a few "play makers" to help the QB....I know, Tanny spent most of the season on his back, but most on this board said all along that our guys on the O line couldn't "zone block" and it just wouldn't work. Coaching staffs tries to "coach 'em up" ....epic fail. BUUUUT, your young QB has his "big play" WR on the roster already, so now they have another off season to get it together. So now in year three, it is time to get those "west coast" O linemen, and patch up some holes in the D. I DO want them to bring in a RB, but that may improve on it's own with better line play. Sherman will move on eventually, maybe this year, maybe after next season. I just know after hearing different players comment on what the Browns did to Chud (firing after ONE SEASON) that it take players till season three in a NEW SYSTEM to be able to just go out and execute without having to "think" about what they are doing. When you can stop thinking, you get faster, things just run better. That is my reason for NOT wanting to blow it up. I know nobody likes the "5 year plan", but can't we at least give it three??


Team Year Regular Season Post Season

Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
SF 1979 2 14 0 .125 4th in NFC West - - - -
SF 1980 6 10 0 .375 3rd in NFC West - - - -
SF 1981 13 3 0 .812 1st in NFC West 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XVI Champions.
SF 1982 3 6 0 .333 11th in NFC - - - -
SF 1983 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC West 1 1 .500 Lost to Washington Redskins in NFC Championship Game.
SF 1984 15 1 0 .938 1st in NFC West 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XIX Champions.
SF 1985 10 6 0 .625 2nd in NFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to New York Giants in NFC Wild-Card Game.
SF 1986 10 5 1 .656 1st in NFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to New York Giants in NFC Divisional Game.
SF 1987 13 2 0 .867 1st in NFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to Minnesota Vikings in NFC Divisional Game.
SF 1988 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC West 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XXIII Champions.
SF Total 92 59 1 .609 10 4 .714
Total[13] 92 59 1 .609 10 4 .714
 
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