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Tua doesn’t have the arm strength

The problem isn’t that the guy can’t throw the ball 50 or 60 yards. I’m sure he can. The problem is against NFL DBs he can’t throw the ball that far in the super tight windows bc NFL DBs break on the ball a lot faster than in college.

No offense to those who keep saying well I saw him throw deep in college (especially no disrespect meant to SF) but y’all go watch Bryce Young for Bama this year. Go watch Mac Jones last year. Watch Jalen Hurts at Bama. EVERY Bama QB throws deep balls and hits them. That’s not something that just Tua himself was doing. Every Bama QB since Saban embraced the spread throws deep balls and completes tons of them. It’s easy to do when you out talent every single team you play.

Tua as well as the coaching staff and every team we play KNOWS he either can’t or won’t throw that opposite hash deep out route or that deep in pattern in the middle of the field or those deep seam routes down the middle of the field.

The guy can throw the football. He just can’t throw it with zip or at least enough zip to make those throws on patterns from the wide hash or really any throw that requires zip to beat NFL DBs that break on routes and jump them. Once again I’ll say it he’s limited. Certain things he can do well not elite. But he’s a top 5 pick. Why should we lower the standard for a guy selected that high? I just don’t understand why everyone wants to lower their standards.

The biggest thing for me is if he were on any other team and we were playing that team everybody here would be chalking it up as an automatic win and I can only imagine the things people here would say about how bad he is.

For Christ sakes we have people here that actually put down and bash Justin Herbert but will defend Tua with everything they got. If any fans of other teams were to read some of this we see on here daily at how people defend Tua they would laugh so hard they’d pass out. We play Houston this week... go read their board about the game and look at the things they say about Tua. Go read the things Buffalo fans say about him or NE or he’ll even the Jets. When we play Baltimore go read their board. It’s every other teams fans that all think the same thing about Tua and that’s that he’s no good.

And I’m sure the usual suspects will jump in here and say who the hell cares what other fans think and I’m not saying I do. I’m simply saying how can it be possible that everybody else thinks he’s no good and we’re the only ones that think he is? Are people really going to try and tell me that our little slice of the pie in our fan base is right while the other 31 teams fan bases combined are all wrong?
This is nail on the head. Perfectly stated.

As for the part in bold, bro, I am a phins fan and I laugh so hard I pass out sometimes when reading this stuff from Tua apologists. Think about it. These guys come on here and belittle other posters with words and labels such as "QBWinz," "Average fans," and more. Never mind the fact that up until this season they apologized for Tua by touting his record in games he started. Also, never mind that some of those games were won thanks to Fitzpatrick coming in at the end after Tua stunk the joint up. Now, one who points out Tua's record is a "QBWinz guy" who doesn't know football. It is beyond hysterical watching these clowns sniff their own farts and pretend to be superior football fans who possess deep knowledge of the game while not even realizing that Tua absolutely sucks. These are the same people who are on here criticizing Tom Brady's arm strength and comparing him to Tua. These people obviously have no clue what is transpiring on the football field. It is beyond hilarious.

Tua is a bust. Full stop. He is at best a backup QB. He isn't a backup you would want to turn to for a full season either. He's a guy you could try and get by a month or so starting if your good QB gets injured. If you have to count on Tua for a full season, your season is over.
 
Not your vision. It looks like that for me too.
maybe it is your vision as you seem not to see that our Oline is not good and Tua has barely any time to set his feet. Balls get there quicker when you can plant your feet.
 
Yes it's called learning Brady has played 346 games in his career Tua has played 13 so is he supposed to know the NFL Defenses like Brady does now?
I noticed you felt the need to only quote half of what I said.

That's fine.

It isn't about what's possible. It's about what is probable.

It's possible I win the Lotto. It's also very unlikely.

It isn't likely any specific individual reaches the level of an all time great. Thats just cold hard fact.

I'll stand by my statement.
 

LMAO! First, Tua has ALL DAY to throw on that play. He is literally playing with a team full of NFL players against Mizzou. You just won't get that much time to survey the field in the NFL more than once or twice per game maybe. Second, when he sees it, the WR had already clearly beaten the amateur DB by several steps. He is beyond wide open. So Tua has time to then step into that throw and release it way down field to a player he knows will be even more open by the time the ball arrives. John Beck could have had a monster statistical season as the Alabama QB.
 
You guys are acting like concerns about Tua’s arm strength are new and not something that was brought up predraft.

“His arm strength is his only real on-the-field concern of note. It isn’t a red flag, but he doesn’t quite have the arm strength as some of the other top quarterback prospects in the 2020 NFL Draft. Sometimes defenders are able to make up ground on the outside because of the lack of velocity Tua can throw with to those areas.”

 
Something looks off to me in his mechanics. I’m not an expert on this when it comes to QBs but I did play baseball my whole life and it looks as if he throws whiteout putting his body into the ball. His feet are rarely set, I don’t see a follow through and the most obvious one to me is how he throws with his hips opening too early. Kind of as if he’s throwing the ball across his body. Maybe Idk what the F I’m talking bout but that’s what I’m seeing

No, you're 100% right. Especially drifting to his right or throwing back right, he hardly ever sets his feet. Which is incredibly odd for a guy who doesn't have the arm to get away with it. Thats usually a bad habit guys with top arms fall into because they can get away with it until the pros.
 
What1? The Dolphins OL is suspect? Stop the presses.
Yeah, they don't dominate NFL DL's the way Alabama's OL filled with 1st and 2nd round picks dominates a bunch of amateurs from Missouri. Let me know when you find an NFL OL that does that. Maybe Tua can go play there.

This is another thing that kills me. The "fix the OL" crowd. It has been an excuse for every garbage QB that has rolled through here the past 20 years. I am not claiming that we have some incredible OL. But, watch other NFL games. Almost all the OL's struggle these days. I highly suspect it is because of spread offenses being so prevalent at lower levels and linemen just aren't asked to sustain blocks the way they used to be.

At any rate, the line play isn't great. But, its the NFL. The difference in these QBs is who can make plays from time to time when there isn't a clean pocket. All of these guys on NFL rosters can throw up sick numbers if the line does a perfect job on every play. What separates them is who makes more plays when the conditions are tough. It is just like in basketball. Go to an NBA game or even a top level college game. Watch warm ups. Any legit shooter will stroke 3s in warm ups. With no one guarding them they can hit like 95%. They're pros. They shoot all the time. The difference is who can drain the clutch ones with someone guarding them. Who can drain one in someone's eye. Who has the special skill set. Who has the quick release like Reggie Miller to rise up with a man right on him and BANG, nail the clutch shot.

A perfect example of this that comes to mind is just last week at Hard Rock Stadium. I'm sitting there watching so I thought of this play as an example. Go check that final drive, the game winner, that Matt Ryan produced. Check that throw down the sideline to that stud TE they drafted. Now, it is a great catch, but it is also an absolute dime of a throw. What is most impressive about it is that the throw was executed by Ryan as he back pedals and has a defender right in his face. And this wasn't a case where he held the ball and the pocket broke down or he scrambled into pressure the way a lot of QBs do these days. No. This was a free rusher came right in as soon as it was snapped. Ryan drops and absolute dime, 30 yards down the sideline, to lead the game winning drive. Clutch and right in a guy's eye. It was right in a couple of poster's mouths.

Tua's rating under pressure is a big problem. You cannot expect clean pockets for multiple seconds very often in the NFL. You have to have a QB who can make a play every now and then.

When we get a real QB, the OL will magically be "fixed" and we won't hear much from the "fix the OL" crowd. You get the QB first, then you tailor the OL and the rest of your offense to his abilities. We still don't have the QB. 20+ years and counting.
 
So, he can throw the ball 50 yards, as any NFL QB can do. What you are missing with this post are the complaints about him. Everything needs to be perfect. Perfect pocket, 4+ seconds to throw, receiver about as wide open as you can get. All factors point toward any QB worth their salt making that throw. What does he do when he's not allotted 4+ seconds and has receivers that are covered? Those are what make great NFL qbs. Tom Brady puts it where he wants it no questions asked. Same with Brees, same with all the greats. He's not that guy.

He has a ton of pretty throws in college that made him look better than he really was. The problem is our scouting didn't take into account the amount of times he took that time in the pocket for granted and got himself hurt because of it. They also didn't take into account that his numbers were piled on against really bad teams. His big game performances were eh after the Georgia game his freshman year. Look at what Georgia, Clemson, and LSU did to him in the two years following that game. The only one of those games he had respectable numbers in was the LSU game, which was in the bag already when he started getting his numbers. Can't blame the talent around him because it was tops in the country.

Now go take a look at Joe Burrow's game logs against top teams. I won't even talk about the Oklahoma game (493 7td, 0int), because they have proven year after year they can't stop you and me. Georgia game - 349 4td, 0int...Clemson in NC game - 463 5td, 0int. Taking average talent and making it better is no different than taking great talent and absolutely shredding teams. The great ones make others better around them.

This is why people need to stop showing highlights of Tua from college. It means nothing at this point. He's proven he's a nice, accurate thrower inside of ten yards but does NOT throw the deep ball with accuracy at this level.
Truly outstanding post. Nice to see not everyone is completely lost.
 
One thing I noticed, with Tua, maybe it is because I'm watching on TV but looks like the ball takes forever to get to the WR's. Not sure if this is Tua's arm strength or the strength of my vision.

Its why we have no yards after catch most plays.

By the time Tua gets the ball there, even on the right read with anticipation, the DB is generally able to close the gap and has momentum while the WR slows down through or stops for the ball.
 
Yeah, they don't dominate NFL DL's the way Alabama's OL filled with 1st and 2nd round picks dominates a bunch of amateurs from Missouri. Let me know when you find an NFL OL that does that. Maybe Tua can go play there.

This is another thing that kills me. The "fix the OL" crowd. It has been an excuse for every garbage QB that has rolled through here the past 20 years. I am not claiming that we have some incredible OL. But, watch other NFL games. Almost all the OL's struggle these days. I highly suspect it is because of spread offenses being so prevalent at lower levels and linemen just aren't asked to sustain blocks the way they used to be.

At any rate, the line play isn't great. But, its the NFL. The difference in these QBs is who can make plays from time to time when there isn't a clean pocket. All of these guys on NFL rosters can throw up sick numbers if the line does a perfect job on every play. What separates them is who makes more plays when the conditions are tough. It is just like in basketball. Go to an NBA game or even a top level college game. Watch warm ups. Any legit shooter will stroke 3s in warm ups. With no one guarding them they can hit like 95%. They're pros. They shoot all the time. The difference is who can drain the clutch ones with someone guarding them. Who can drain one in someone's eye. Who has the special skill set. Who has the quick release like Reggie Miller to rise up with a man right on him and BANG, nail the clutch shot.

A perfect example of this that comes to mind is just last week at Hard Rock Stadium. I'm sitting there watching so I thought of this play as an example. Go check that final drive, the game winner, that Matt Ryan produced. Check that throw down the sideline to that stud TE they drafted. Now, it is a great catch, but it is also an absolute dime of a throw. What is most impressive about it is that the throw was executed by Ryan as he back pedals and has a defender right in his face. And this wasn't a case where he held the ball and the pocket broke down or he scrambled into pressure the way a lot of QBs do these days. No. This was a free rusher came right in as soon as it was snapped. Ryan drops and absolute dime, 30 yards down the sideline, to lead the game winning drive. Clutch and right in a guy's eye. It was right in a couple of poster's mouths.

Tua's rating under pressure is a big problem. You cannot expect clean pockets for multiple seconds very often in the NFL. You have to have a QB who can make a play every now and then.

When we get a real QB, the OL will magically be "fixed" and we won't hear much from the "fix the OL" crowd. You get the QB first, then you tailor the OL and the rest of your offense to his abilities. We still don't have the QB. 20+ years and counting.
LOL. Ryan Tannehill says "Hi". He has played behind a mediocre pass blocking line for the last 3 seasons in Tenn. It just isn't a train wreck like the Dolphins.

The issue with the Dolphins is not the QB. Tannehill's success with the Titans should have shown that.
 
LOL. Ryan Tannehill says "Hi". He has played behind a mediocre pass blocking line for the last 3 seasons.

The issue with the Dolphins is not the QB. Tannehill's success with the Titans should have shown that.

I disagree with this take.

I knew Tannehill was a good QB while he was here, and not the problem with our team.

I don't see that same thing in Tua.
 
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