Tua Tale of the Tape

[hoops]

Unless you can come up with any kind of concept where its profitable to send guys out on routes vs twice as many defenders back in coverage, on half your passing plays, you're just babbling at this point...

When you can actually post a gif play and tell me what’s happening pre to post snap on both sides of the ball let me know.

Til then tbis stills crap is the definition of amateur hour

 

[hoops]

"There’s a reason drew Brees road record and results in the playoffs were always a let down. Lack of controlled physical environments that a home dome provides.

Trips to Buffalo in all or nothing games in January eegads"

Ok fine you didn't say size or arm strength. So what ever you were implying about Bree's (pretty much everyone knows it was size/arm strength related) was straight up proven wrong by his numbers in the road playoff games. Brees was still great now his running game and D was not.

Still interested is what physical environments Bree's couldn't had and why? I mean his facts were so bad that when he farted in the wind it distracted his OL from run blocking?

What is these physical environments that Brees couldn't handle in the playoffs and why couldn't he?

Your gonna have to admit to me or let me know better what carried drew Brees game in the pros at such a high clip for such a long time. Cause what carried his is largely what’s gonna have to carry tua.

In terms of ceiling. Of course it remains to be seen if tua is even gonna be allowed to show it in Miami at least.

I was referencing physical limitations ie arm largely but that was more drew Brees later in his career relative to what tua has shown to date. Athletically though very similar. Both ceilings driven in their minds over their physical gifts although if Miami ran an offense similar to New Orleans witb peyton and Brees we’d get a lot more much needed answers on tua at a much faster clip.

And again anyone who is disregarding Buffalo setting in January with tuas to date physical limitations and Josh allens level of play and ever evolving game is a flat moron

 

[NBP81]

When you can actually post a gif play and tell me what’s happening pre to post snap on both sides of the ball let me know.

Til then tbis stills crap is the definition of amateur hour

You've become lazy Hoops...

 

[Crump]

You've become lazy Hoops...

he called game

 

[Marino2.0]

So is basically the premise of the last 3 pages that we should build our team around playing in windy, rainy, freezing conditions in Buffalo in January?

Man, what a bummer it’d be if we happen to play a road playoff game against the Bills (something we’ve done 4 times in the last 50 years, and not since 1998–a game we won), and it happens to be a sunny day.

 

[hoops]

So is basically the premise of the last 3 pages that we should build our team around playing in windy, rainy, freezing conditions in Buffalo in January?

Man, what a bummer it’d be if we happen to play a road playoff game against the Bills (something we’ve done 4 times in the last 50 years, and not since 1998–a game we won), and it happens to be a sunny day.

Nah but you should build it personnel wise completely with an eye on getting past Buffalo given their in the division.

That may be where tua fails us already.

 

[Kamelion4291]

Are we pretending that one of the best passers ever in Drew Brees was limited and that's what we're using as ammunition against Tua now?

I wish Tua could be as limited as Drew Brees...

And to top it all off, this real argument that apparently isn't satire comes in the form of a smug attitude?

Big yikes. It would be embarrassing if Dunning-Kruger wasn't already at play.

 

[djphinfan]

I think Josh Allen is pretty much unstoppable, Ball control is the way to go..good punter..

 

[BigNastyFish]

In terms of divisional races -- it sure seems the team with the dominant QB wins the prize most times.

Buffalo lucked out with Allen. Sure he was a great athlete in college with a rocket arm. But no one saw him

coming on so strong so soon. He's in a class by himself in the AFCE. And could conceivably become the undisputed

top QB dog in the NFL in '22. The odds of us finding a prospect that can compete straight-up with Allen is zero.

So we need a fundamentally better team architecture and a cohesive balance that offsets the QB gap.

It can be done. But it's a very tall order.

 

[dan the fin]

Your gonna have to admit to me or let me know better what carried drew Brees game in the pros at such a high clip for such a long time. Cause what carried his is largely what’s gonna have to carry tua.

In terms of ceiling. Of course it remains to be seen if tua is even gonna be allowed to show it in Miami at least.

I was referencing physical limitations ie arm largely but that was more drew Brees later in his career relative to what tua has shown to date. Athletically though very similar. Both ceilings driven in their minds over their physical gifts although if Miami ran an offense similar to New Orleans witb peyton and Brees we’d get a lot more much needed answers on tua at a much faster clip.

And again anyone who is disregarding Buffalo setting in January with tuas to date physical limitations and Josh allens level of play and ever evolving game is a flat moron

The simple answer is Drew Brees was more physically gifted then 99% of the QBs. Accuracy is a physical gift. Josh Allen can throw 1000 times a day for the rest of his life and never be as accurate as Brees. But Brees could also lift weights do everything know to man to gain arm strength and never be able to throw as fast or as far as Allen.

That is the short answer. I will expand on it when I get time.

 

[hoops]

The simple answer is Drew Brees was more physically gifted then 99% of the QBs. Accuracy is a physical gift. Josh Allen can throw 1000 times a day for the rest of his life and never be as accurate as Brees. But Brees could also lift weights do everything know to man to gain arm strength and never be able to throw as fast or as far as Allen.

That is the short answer. I will expand on it when I get time.

I’ll disagree on the physical gifts part. His process was special. And he found the right guy to bring it out of him. He didn’t have that in San Diego.

Right marriage of qb and offensive mind basically.

Tua and mcdaniel if the offense is anything like San frans to date under garrop etc it’s fixing to be very qb friendly and you all should expect high level execution from the qb ask. Hell you should demand it. Cause if that’s what we run and we can run the ball anything less is unacceptable. There’s nothing special about that qb ask and Miami should be wary of ever paying it like it is.

A Sean Payton Brees ask now that’s another level. And worth more and much harder to find. No doubt.

But again until Miami even allows us to sniff tuas ceiling from a process stand point all we are gonna end up with is more unanswered questions.

I’ll just have to see how we go about things with tua and mcdaniel this year. I know the first 2 years was very limited pocket read ask and lots of built ins and predetermined primarys even. Basically did nothing to open tbings up and let the qb drive. That may have been driven in oline play issues or or may have been qb driven. Right now it feels like some combo of both. I started getting bad tua vibes late in the year. In terms of his process ceiling and limitations with what you can ask him to do from the position.

If you aren’t building on concepts at the qb position and with the offense something is wrong. Very wrong. The yellow flags are out

There’s also the lack of faith from the head coach in the qb and I get that but still the vibes I get i don’t like

 

[Marino2.0]

Nah but you should build it personnel wise completely with an eye on getting past Buffalo given their in the division.

That may be where tua fails us already.

I think this current roster is more than capable of beating Buffalo in Miami. In Buffalo? That’d be a big ask. It’d be a big ask for anyone. Buffalo is very good. There might not be another team in the NFL that can beat this current iteration of Buffalo in Buffalo in the playoffs.

I don’t think it makes sense to build with one team in mind. Maybe our path to the Super Bowl goes through Buffalo. Maybe it goes through Kansas City. Maybe it goes through Los Angeles or Cincinnati.

Seeing as how we haven’t won a playoff game in 20 years, let’s just worry about getting there first.

 

[Mach2]

I think this current roster is more than capable of beating Buffalo in Miami. In Buffalo? That’d be a big ask. It’d be a big ask for anyone. Buffalo is very good. There might not be another team in the NFL that can beat this current iteration of Buffalo in Buffalo in the playoffs.

I don’t think it makes sense to build with one team in mind. Maybe our path to the Super Bowl goes through Buffalo. Maybe it goes through Kansas City. Maybe it goes through Los Angeles or Cincinnati.

Seeing as how we haven’t won a playoff game in 20 years, let’s just worry about getting there first.

Unless we can win the division, our road has a good chance of going through Buffalo even if it isn't the first week of the playoffs. I do agree that you can't build with one team in mind.

 

[Marino2.0]

Unless we can win the division, our road has a good chance of going through Buffalo even if it isn't the first week of the playoffs. I do agree that you can't build with one team in mind.

This year, I agree. Long term, you never know. Wouldn’t be the craziest thing for Buffalo to fade out as a contender now that Allen and Diggs have gotten paid and Daboll has moved on. Not every good team ends up being the Patriots for 15 years.

 

[hoops]

This year, I agree. Long term, you never know. Wouldn’t be the craziest thing for Buffalo to fade out as a contender now that Allen and Diggs have gotten paid and Daboll has moved on. Not every good team ends up being the Patriots for 15 years.

That’s called lack of faith in Josh allens staying power to which Id say…

Good luck with that