“Tua throws like a lillll bitch”

TrogdorTheBurninator · Oct 20, 2023

gd, i cannot wait for this game!

EJay · Oct 20, 2023

Durango2020 said:
He's a classic pocket passer. If the pocket collapses fast he'll get overwhelmed, and that's why we need the OL to play great as well as establish run game.
BTW, where did you get those numbers from?

What were his numbers last season from the games when he wasn't injured or coming off concussion?

As I said above, he seemed to handle pressure as well as any QB could his first two seasons when he started behind one of the worst lines in the NFL. And didn't have the play makers he has now.

Also, unless something has changed recently, I seem to recall Tua posting some of the better Q4 numbers in recent history. I'm pretty confident the pressure didn't suddenly stop altogether once Q4 started in every game.

Rowdy1972 · Oct 20, 2023

EJay said:
Funny, but Tua seemed to handle consistent pressure as well as any QB could during his 1st two seasons -- you know, when the Dolphins o-line was really a sieve and among the worst rated in the league. He had a winning record as a starting QB at 13-8 IIRC.

That's a larger sample size than just the 6 games this season. And, again, the o-line was far worse than it is now. And he had far fewer weapons.

So I'm not worried.

I agree that's why I was surprised. Honestly it has to be the concussion scare. One more and its probably the end of the season or his career. Probably a good thing for his survival.

rafael · Oct 20, 2023

Rowdy1972 said:
He is right that Tua hasn't handled pressure well. He's 32 out of 35 qualifying QBs when pressured. He's been pretty damn terrible. But from a clean pocket he kills you.

Could you provide a reference for that contention? It doesn't match what I've seen.

Best Qbr Under Pressure | StatMuse

Aaron Rodgers has the highest career passer rating, with a 103.6 rating.

www.statmuse.com

INTERPRETED AS:

best qbr with a minimum of 14 passing attempts per team game by a player under pressure this regular season

NAME	SEASON	TM	GP	RATE	CMP	ATT	PCT	YDS	AVG	YDS/G	TD	TD%	INT	INT%	SCK	SCKY
Tua Tagovailoa	2023	MIA	6	114.1	140	197	71.1	1,876	9.5	312.7	14	7.1	5	2.5	6	42
Brock Purdy	2023	SF	6	111.9	110	163	67.5	1,396	8.6	232.7	10	6.1	1	0.6	11	59
Jared Goff	2023	DET	6	105.1	141	203	69.5	1,618	8.0	269.7	11	5.4	3	1.5	10	61
Josh Allen	2023	BUF	6	102.8	147	205	71.7	1,576	7.7	262.7	13	6.3	6	2.9	9	36
Justin Herbert	2023	LAC	5	101.7	125	182	68.7	1,333	7.3	266.6	9	4.9	2	1.1	10	87
Kirk Cousins	2023	MIN	6	100.6	158	235	67.2	1,679	7.1	279.8	14	6.0	4	1.7	15	97
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/player/russell-wilson-22621

Rowdy1972 · Oct 20, 2023

rafael said:
Could you provide a reference for that contention? It doesn't match what I've seen.

Best Qbr Under Pressure | StatMuse

Aaron Rodgers has the highest career passer rating, with a 103.6 rating.

www.statmuse.com

INTERPRETED AS:
best qbr with a minimum of 14 passing attempts per team game by a player under pressure this regular season

NAME SEASON TM GP RATE CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG YDS/G TD TD% INT INT% SCK SCKY
Tua Tagovailoa 2023 MIA 6 114.1 140 197 71.1 1,876 9.5 312.7 14 7.1 5 2.5 6 42
Brock Purdy 2023 SF 6 111.9 110 163 67.5 1,396 8.6 232.7 10 6.1 1 0.6 11 59
Jared Goff 2023 DET 6 105.1 141 203 69.5 1,618 8.0 269.7 11 5.4 3 1.5 10 61
Josh Allen 2023 BUF 6 102.8 147 205 71.7 1,576 7.7 262.7 13 6.3 6 2.9 9 36
Justin Herbert 2023 LAC 5 101.7 125 182 68.7 1,333 7.3 266.6 9 4.9 2 1.1 10 87
Kirk Cousins 2023 MIN 6 100.6 158 235 67.2 1,679 7.1 279.8 14 6.0 4 1.7 15 97
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/player/russell-wilson-22621

This is just showing his season long QBR of 114. This isn't highlighting under pressure even though the "interpreted as" leads you to believe. I heard it on a betting podcast.

rafael · Oct 20, 2023

Rowdy1972 said:
This is just showing his season long QBR of 114. This isn't highlighting under pressure even though the "interpreted as" leads you to believe. I heard it on a betting podcast.

No. His season long QBR is actually a hair lower at 113. This is his under pressure QBR.

circumstances · Oct 20, 2023

rafael said:
Could you provide a reference for that contention? It doesn't match what I've seen.

Best Qbr Under Pressure | StatMuse

Aaron Rodgers has the highest career passer rating, with a 103.6 rating.

www.statmuse.com

INTERPRETED AS:
best qbr with a minimum of 14 passing attempts per team game by a player under pressure this regular season

NAME SEASON TM GP RATE CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG YDS/G TD TD% INT INT% SCK SCKY
Tua Tagovailoa 2023 MIA 6 114.1 140 197 71.1 1,876 9.5 312.7 14 7.1 5 2.5 6 42
Brock Purdy 2023 SF 6 111.9 110 163 67.5 1,396 8.6 232.7 10 6.1 1 0.6 11 59
Jared Goff 2023 DET 6 105.1 141 203 69.5 1,618 8.0 269.7 11 5.4 3 1.5 10 61
Josh Allen 2023 BUF 6 102.8 147 205 71.7 1,576 7.7 262.7 13 6.3 6 2.9 9 36
Justin Herbert 2023 LAC 5 101.7 125 182 68.7 1,333 7.3 266.6 9 4.9 2 1.1 10 87
Kirk Cousins 2023 MIN 6 100.6 158 235 67.2 1,679 7.1 279.8 14 6.0 4 1.7 15 97
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/player/russell-wilson-22621

this matches my eyes more closely than what Rowdy heard.

Rowdy1972 · Oct 20, 2023

rafael said:
No. His season long QBR is actually a hair lower at 113. This is his under pressure QBR.

No his season long QBR is 114. His under pressure QBR is definitely not higher than his season long QBR. I mean passer rating. QBR is ESPN's measurement.

Avigatorx · Oct 20, 2023

rafael said:
Could you provide a reference for that contention? It doesn't match what I've seen.

Best Qbr Under Pressure | StatMuse

Aaron Rodgers has the highest career passer rating, with a 103.6 rating.

www.statmuse.com

INTERPRETED AS:
best qbr with a minimum of 14 passing attempts per team game by a player under pressure this regular season

NAME SEASON TM GP RATE CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG YDS/G TD TD% INT INT% SCK SCKY
Tua Tagovailoa 2023 MIA 6 114.1 140 197 71.1 1,876 9.5 312.7 14 7.1 5 2.5 6 42
Brock Purdy 2023 SF 6 111.9 110 163 67.5 1,396 8.6 232.7 10 6.1 1 0.6 11 59
Jared Goff 2023 DET 6 105.1 141 203 69.5 1,618 8.0 269.7 11 5.4 3 1.5 10 61
Josh Allen 2023 BUF 6 102.8 147 205 71.7 1,576 7.7 262.7 13 6.3 6 2.9 9 36
Justin Herbert 2023 LAC 5 101.7 125 182 68.7 1,333 7.3 266.6 9 4.9 2 1.1 10 87
Kirk Cousins 2023 MIN 6 100.6 158 235 67.2 1,679 7.1 279.8 14 6.0 4 1.7 15 97
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/player/russell-wilson-22621

Those are his full season stats.

No way he has 1800 yards under pressure yada yada yada.

I AM curious what the true numbers are though. Pretty sure they arent as bad as last in the NFL.

Avigatorx · Oct 20, 2023

Rowdy1972 said:
I agree that's why I was surprised. Honestly it has to be the concussion scare. One more and its probably the end of the season or his career. Probably a good thing for his survival.

I feel like you are making **** up bro.

ScottySpades · Oct 20, 2023

bward6460 said:
That's just Philly, man. Been in this area my entire life and this is what I deal with when trying to have a rational sports discussion. They're buffoons.

Sounds like Buffalo lol.

rafael · Oct 20, 2023

Avigatorx said:
Those are his full season stats.

No way he has 1800 yards under pressure yada yada yada.

I AM curious what the true numbers are though. Pretty sure they arent as bad as last in the NFL.

I was mislead by the wording in the "interpretation".

But I'm still not sure the claim that Tua is bad under pressure is accurate. I saw this stat recently:

PFF MIA Dolphins

@PFF_Dolphins

Tua Tagovailoa vs. the Carolina Panthers blitz:
14/19
151 passing yards
2 TDs
0 turnover-worthy plays
131.7 passer rating

There is a stat that said Tua had more potential interception throws according to one subjective source, but that's not the same as being bad under pressure. He also makes a ton of great throws. And overall he's really good under pressure. I'm guessing that whatever betting show he listened to was just cherry picking that potential INT stat.

Avigatorx · Oct 20, 2023

rafael said:
I was mislead by the wording in the "interpretation".

But I'm still not sure the claim that Tua is bad under pressure is accurate. I saw this stat recently:

PFF MIA Dolphins
@PFF_Dolphins

Tua Tagovailoa vs. the Carolina Panthers blitz:
14/19
151 passing yards
2 TDs
0 turnover-worthy plays
131.7 passer rating

There is a stat that said Tua had more potential interception throws according to one subjective source, but that's not the same as being bad under pressure. He also makes a ton of great throws. And overall he's really good under pressure. I'm guessing that whatever betting show he listened to was just cherry picking that potential INT stat.

Totally agree.

I think even last year he was middle of the road under pressure.

I searched and couldnt find any rankings for this year, but Im sure its far better than 32 out of 35.

Rev Kev · Oct 20, 2023

Avigatorx said:
I feel like you are making **** up bro.

Someone has to have the bookmark prophecy of Tua’s doom

JamesWsenior · Oct 20, 2023

Avigatorx said:
Totally agree.

I think even last year he was middle of the road under pressure.

I searched and couldnt find any rankings for this year, but Im sure its far better than 32 out of 35.

"Just win baby" swear I heard this before.

“Tua throws like a lillll bitch”

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