Tua's Next. Be prepared.

[GatorFin73]

I personally think the way negotiations seem to be going is a positive thing. The club isn't just rolling out the next slightly higher contract but is negotiating hard which likely will result in a somewhat team friendly contract, however one defines that. It's true that we need Tua this year and next at minimum with a real chance to go deep into the playoffs and compete for a title given a strong roster on paper and it's true there are no other viable options at this point. If/when we need to start over that will be with a draft pick and you usually need a top pick for 50/50 odds even with a top pick so that takes a while to set up and get in position for typically.

It's also true though that signing Tua now with a big contract and guaranteed money/multiple years shifts the injury risk from the player to the club and for that reason and the generational wealth that comes with it for Tua, he needs the Dolphins. Classic negotiation where both sides need each other for their optimal outcome but both have certain leverage points to utilize in the negotiation. The fact they need each other and and are really having to work at this negotiation leads me to believe we will eventually see that somewhat team friendly contract get done and almost all will be happy with it at that point as we'll have our QB settled for the foreseeable future with a manageable contract and can just start focusing on football in what promises to be a pretty exciting year if nothing else.

 

[andyahs]

Technically? Yes.

Realistically? No.

The tag is projected at $42M next season, go look at the cap hits for next year and tell me who you are willing to cut and restructure to fit that $42M in before March. For reference, yet again I'm going to tell you that Tua counts as zero next season because he is not under contract.

People can keep burying their heads in the sand and say "let him play out this year and tag him next season" while this is absolutely the worst thing the team can do from a salary cap point of view. Not only does it mean they have to gut the roster just to fit the tag in under the cap by the start of the season they will then very likely have to pay Tua $60M a season to keep him while having gut the roster.

From a roster continuity perspective you either pay him this season or have plans to replace him next season. Either that or they will be in the salary cap hell that some fans think (wrongly) that they are in now.



Ah, cool. I get it now, you have no idea how the cap work, that's why you want to let him play then tag him.

The biggest saving is cutting Tyreek at $11M, then Armstead at $3.6. That $18M if Armstead retires is useless as that is a June 1st cut, you need to be cap compliant by the season start in March to tag someone. You can say "but I'm getting $18M in June, can I not just wait till then?"

So again, what are the Dolphins moves? Cuts aren't going to work unless you are cutting Tyreek and 10 other starters so we are down to restructures. Do you want to give new contracts to Tyreek, Ramsey, Chubb and Sieler until they are in their mid 30's with multiple void years on the end? No? Then guess what, Tua is walking as a free agent.

Holland also counts zero against the cap next year so if you are tagging Tua and cutting half the roster then Holland is walking as well.

Told you you would be explaining it again.

He still won't get it.

 

[NBP81]

The flaw in this stupid phrase “ the market is the market” is, I have to follow suit based on other GM’ s ability to evaluate and allocate money.
That’s a serious flaw in the system because, they may be bad at their job.

Following that business model without taking into account my own personal evaluations and variables of my own player, and issues of my Qb is nonsensical .

I mean just think about how ridiculous this is.

Here’s the business model that it’s saying, Well Trevor and Jared got paid 55 so I have to beat that, screw all my own data and context about what value I think my player should have relative to the cap, I’ve got to follow Gm’s that might get fired in a year.

No, screw that stupid phrase, I hope Grier stands by his own personal allocation and tells everyone to **** off.

He’s what we think your value is take it or play out your fifth.

Exactly what he did with Wilkins..

Wilkins is a DT, Tua is a QB. They're paid this high because they're the most important position on the field and the available replacement level players aren't likely to be starting material.

Grier: **** you play on your option.

Tua after playing on the option deal: **** you! I'm not signing your tag, trade me!

Then what?

 

[TannDaMan17]

Wilkins is a DT, Tua is a QB. They're paid this high because they're the most important position on the field and the available replacement level players aren't likely to be starting material.

Grier: **** you play on your option.

Tua after playing on the option deal: **** you! I'm not signing your tag, trade me!

Then what?

No thanks. You don't have to sign the tag, you're more than welcome to sit at home but we're not trading you unless we get a king's ransom that frankly we're not going to get with your resume.

There's also the non-exclusive Franchise tag to consider, even more options for the Miami Dolphins and even less leverage for you. If MVP Lamar can get the non-exclusive which helped the Ravens out, so can you.

Maybe you'll change your mind before week 1 or maybe not, either way we're prepared to move forward with or without you. Just like the Ravens and their MVP QB that they made available to the world, and he's actually won something significant...twice

You should probably fire your agent and get a new one that's going to compromise with us, because we're not budging until you prove your greatness as opposed to projecting it.

Bottom line, we’re not sold on you Tua. We like you but we don’t love you. If we loved you then you would have your money by now. You need to improve dramatically against real competition to be great, right now you aren’t there but we believe you can get there in due time. Take a team friendly deal and we’ll be happy to sign you. Want top dollar kick rocks.

 

[Fred Bear]

You think that 29 other teams would give up on their QB if they had a shot at getting Tua?

Wow man. If you had said 20.... I would have nodded...29... Come on man

I'll go with 20 If you nod your head.. just throwing it out there that a lot of teams would want him.

 

[Travis34]

Technically? Yes.

Realistically? No.

The tag is projected at $42M next season, go look at the cap hits for next year and tell me who you are willing to cut and restructure to fit that $42M in before March. For reference, yet again I'm going to tell you that Tua counts as zero next season because he is not under contract.

People can keep burying their heads in the sand and say "let him play out this year and tag him next season" while this is absolutely the worst thing the team can do from a salary cap point of view. Not only does it mean they have to gut the roster just to fit the tag in under the cap by the start of the season they will then very likely have to pay Tua $60M a season to keep him while having gut the roster.

From a roster continuity perspective you either pay him this season or have plans to replace him next season. Either that or they will be in the salary cap hell that some fans think (wrongly) that they are in now.



Ah, cool. I get it now, you have no idea how the cap work, that's why you want to let him play then tag him.

The biggest saving is cutting Tyreek at $11M, then Armstead at $3.6. That $18M if Armstead retires is useless as that is a June 1st cut, you need to be cap compliant by the season start in March to tag someone. You can say "but I'm getting $18M in June, can I not just wait till then?"

So again, what are the Dolphins moves? Cuts aren't going to work unless you are cutting Tyreek and 10 other starters so we are down to restructures. Do you want to give new contracts to Tyreek, Ramsey, Chubb and Sieler until they are in their mid 30's with multiple void years on the end? No? Then guess what, Tua is walking as a free agent.

Holland also counts zero against the cap next year so if you are tagging Tua and cutting half the roster then Holland is walking as well.

This doesnt seem hard to comprehend

But alas

 

[Mach2]

I'll go with 20 If you nod your head.. just throwing it out there that a lot of teams would want him.

At a top 3 contract? At what level of guarantees? That has to be included in a hypothetical too. I mean blanket generalities are too undefined for a legitimate discussion.

They're great for my bickering, though.

I'm not seeing 20 teams that would offer him what he has likely been offered here already. IMO looking around the league at where teams are at with their current situation, their current scheme, roster, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge Tua and his agent trying to get all they can.

 

[djphinfan]

Wilkins is a DT, Tua is a QB. They're paid this high because they're the most important position on the field and the available replacement level players aren't likely to be starting material.

Grier: **** you play on your option.

Tua after playing on the option deal: **** you! I'm not signing your tag, trade me!

Then what?

That all depends on Griers personal evaluation of Tua, it’s his team he’s responsible, if he thinks Tuas agent is strapping his salary cap and They are asking way over what he thinks his value is then it’s a decision he has to make.. the choices may not look positive atm, but what I’m saying is you cannot strap your team with a player that is asking over his value to the GM.

That’s why he’s the GM and that’s why there’s a cap, it’s the game within the game.

I believe you shouldn’t pay someone the same money just because other Gm’s are.

Make your own path, deal with any consequences that come your way and flip them into the positive

 

[Fred Bear]

What do you do pay

At a top 3 contract? At what level of guarantees? That has to be included in a hypothetical too. I mean blanket generalities are too undefined for a legitimate discussion.

They're great for my bickering, though.

I'm not seeing 20 teams that would offer him what he has likely been offered here already. IMO looking around the league at where teams are at with their current situation, their current scheme, roster, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge Tua and his agent trying to get all they can.

What do you do pay him the going rates? or franchise him where he doesn't give the effort

 

[Mach2]

That all depends on Griers personal evaluation of Tua, it’s his team he’s responsible, if he thinks Tuas agent is strapping his salary cap and They are asking way over what he thinks his value is then it’s a decision he has to make.. the choices may not look positive atm, but what I’m saying is you cannot strap your team with a player that is asking over his value to the GM.

That’s why he’s the GM and that’s why there’s a cap, it’s the game within the game.

I believe you shouldn’t pay someone the same money just because other Gm’s are.

Make your own path, deal with any consequences that come your way and flip them into the positive

Sounds great and rational in the abstract.

In reality, though, there's a nebulous middle ground because in this case the alternative to extending Tua, irrespective of the cost, is a roster purge, somehow get into the top of next year's draft for another QB, and another rebuild.

Sure, there's a point where that makes sense, but I certainly don't want to go down that path over a few million per, one way or the other.

 

[Fred Bear]

If 20 teams wouldn't want him where does that leave us
.holding up the rear I guess

 

[xSxPxHx]

So who ultimately wins in a negotiation? If Tua is looking for say 55mil a season, and ownership is not, then where is the middle ground? Seems like players always end up winning and getting their money, just makes me wonder then why the long process?

Im assuming how the money is paid out in Bonuses? Yearly Guarantees? etc?

Why let it drag out if in fact Tua will get that amount?

 

[Fred Bear]

Why don't we just sign Gardner Minshew with a air raid offense

 

[djphinfan]

Sounds great and rational in the abstract.

In reality, though, there's a nebulous middle ground because in this case the alternative to extending Tua, irrespective of the cost, is a roster purge, somehow get into the top of next year's draft for another QB, and another rebuild.

Sure, there's a point where that makes sense, but I certainly don't want to go down that path over a few million per, one way or the other.

yeah I get that factor.. what’s the difference in the two parties.

At some point a percentage of cap I would think comes into play, if the other party is over that then trouble arises.

Hey man, sometime you gotta say WTF.

 

[Mach2]

What do you do pay
What do you do pay him the going rates? or franchise him where he doesn't give the effort

That's a separate question. I'm not in favor of tagging him at all, but if he doesn't "give the effort", he's really hurting himself in the long run. His value plummets with a bad season. It's one thing to be insulted. It's quite another to be stupid.

You were talking about what other teams would be lining up for his services. I was just saying your statement was an oversimplification. There may be multiple teams that would be interested. How many would be interested at a top 3 contract is a different matter.

If I had to bet real $?

We will announce an extension. It will be a PR "event" when the time is right, and all parties will stand at the podium an smile ear to ear.