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Fin-Loco said:
For what reason? Go back and look at the larger QB deals and when they get signed. Often before and even after TC starts. Our impatience doesn't create new facts.
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Darlington says they arnt offering Tua a contract in the ballpark of Goff or Lawrence.

Tua was better statistically than both of them and at least wants a comparable "market" level contract.

Were at a stalemate in negotiations and I dont think it's just a couple million difference. It's probabaly substantial, like 10 mil per year apart. I don't see either side budging if this is the case.

I also think Ross has a wondering eye and if Tua doesn't deliver next year, Ross wants to move on anyway.

If I had to put money on it, Tua doesn't get a contract extention this year. They are gonna make him play out his rookie deal and if he doesn't impress Ross, he's gonna make a play at a different QB.
 
MrChadRico said:
I also think Ross has a wondering eye and if Tua doesn't deliver next year, Ross wants to move on anyway.

If I had to put money on it, Tua doesn't get a contract extention this year. They are gonna make him play out his rookie deal and if he doesn't impress Ross, he's gonna make a play at a different QB.
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This is actually a pretty salient point. For better or worse, Ross has historically shown that he is constantly trying to attain what he perceives as an improvement over what he has. Usually it seems like he has the right idea, but his approach is garbage.
 
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MrChadRico said:
Darlington says they arnt offering Tua a contract in the ballpark of Goff or Lawrence.

Tua was better statistically than both of them and at least wants a comparable "market" level contract.

Were at a stalemate in negotiations and I dont think it's just a couple million difference. It's probabaly substantial, like 10 mil per year apart. I don't see either side budging if this is the case.

I also think Ross has a wondering eye and if Tua doesn't deliver next year, Ross wants to move on anyway.

If I had to put money on it, Tua doesn't get a contract extention this year. They are gonna make him play out his rookie deal and if he doesn't impress Ross, he's gonna make a play at a different QB.
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Goff and Trevor Lawrence don’t have Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle. I agree with the rest of what you said especially about Stephen Ross and his wandering eye.
 
Mr Fan said:
Its because if I tag him its only to trade him, otherwise we sign him because we would believe he is the future @ QB.

If we tag its only a short term transitory and transactional move (trade), vs signing at best a question mark player to mega deal with long term implications.

If you fervent believers in Tua are correct there should be quite the hot market thus a line of teams willing to make a trade.
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Tag n trade is not a realistic option. It takes a very specific set of circumstances for 3 seperates parties. That's why it rarely happens at all, and it's even more rare with contracts of this magnitude.

If that's the idea, let it go.
 
I know this is going to rattle the cages a bit... and as much as I hate to have to defend myself from people saying I am trolling.

It has been mentioned that Tua's numbers are better than Goffs

I went and looked and they are so close it is uncanny.

Tua completed 69% Goff 67
Tua had 29 touchdowns Goff 30
Tua 14 picks Goff 12
Tua has just over 4600 yards Goff just under 4600 yards.

I mean come on? Their stat lines are about as close as you could get.

Tua is three years younger so I guess you could argue he is a better investment for the future. ( Not sure how that plays out when signing someone to a 4 or 5 year deal and they are both still under the age of 30)

But I am not seeing an argument that shows Tua is better than Goff... Not really.

Goff has already had several seasons where he has thrown for 4500+ yards. He has had seasons of 28,29,30, and 32 touchdowns He had back to back QB ratings above 100... The point I am making is that Goff's numbers last year were not a fluke. He has turned in solid numbers multiple years. Playing at that the level of last year... So he is consistently a good QB

If Tua's agent came to me and said that he deserves more than Goff I would tell him to pound sand.
 
Mach2 said:
Agreed.

The questions then become has something dramatically changed? Assuming that has not happened, which one do you believe has more credibility, and why?

Is it simply a case of one believing what they want to believe, as opposed to something they don't?

I have no idea if either are accurate. It could very well be one leak came from the agent, the other came from the team, and the "truth" is somewhere in the middle.

My point is I don't think either of those reporters make things up out of thin air.
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im so freakin tired of this negotiation Mach.

I just hope Tua is not taking some hard stance that’s all.

I’ll be pissed if we find out he is.
 
Induperator said:
I know this is going to rattle the cages a bit... and as much as I hate to have to defend myself from people saying I am trolling.

It has been mentioned that Tua's numbers are better than Goffs

I went and looked and they are so close it is uncanny.

Tua completed 69% Goff 67
Tua had 29 touchdowns Goff 30
Tua 14 picks Goff 12
Tua has just over 4600 yards Goff just under 4600 yards.

I mean come on? Their stat lines are about as close as you could get.

Tua is three years younger so I guess you could argue he is a better investment for the future. ( Not sure how that plays out when signing someone to a 4 or 5 year deal and they are both still under the age of 30)

But I am not seeing an argument that shows Tua is better than Goff... Not really.

Goff has already had several seasons where he has thrown for 4500+ yards. He has had seasons of 28,29,30, and 32 touchdowns He had back to back QB ratings above 100... The point I am making is that Goff's numbers last year were not a fluke. He has turned in solid numbers multiple years. Playing at that the level of last year... So he is consistently a good QB

If Tua's agent came to me and said that he deserves more than Goff I would tell him to pound sand.
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Tua's numbers are better than Goffs... and the difference between 8.3 and 7.6 in YPA is a big ass difference, especially for such an important metric.
 
Induperator said:
I know this is going to rattle the cages a bit... and as much as I hate to have to defend myself from people saying I am trolling.

It has been mentioned that Tua's numbers are better than Goffs

I went and looked and they are so close it is uncanny.

Tua completed 69% Goff 67
Tua had 29 touchdowns Goff 30
Tua 14 picks Goff 12
Tua has just over 4600 yards Goff just under 4600 yards.

I mean come on? Their stat lines are about as close as you could get.

Tua is three years younger so I guess you could argue he is a better investment for the future. ( Not sure how that plays out when signing someone to a 4 or 5 year deal and they are both still under the age of 30)

But I am not seeing an argument that shows Tua is better than Goff... Not really.

Goff has already had several seasons where he has thrown for 4500+ yards. He has had seasons of 28,29,30, and 32 touchdowns He had back to back QB ratings above 100... The point I am making is that Goff's numbers last year were not a fluke. He has turned in solid numbers multiple years. Playing at that the level of last year... So he is consistently a good QB

If Tua's agent came to me and said that he deserves more than Goff I would tell him to pound sand.
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Unless I’m mistaken, the point in debate isn’t that Tua should make MORE than Goff. It’s that he should make as much.

So…are you now agreeing that Tua should be paid as much as Goff?
 
NBP81 said:
Tua's numbers are better than Goffs... and the difference between 8.3 and 7.6 in YPA is a big ass difference, especially for such an important metric.
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Goff has varied in that department... He has had 8.4 yards per throw back to back years of 8 yards per throw.

I think that is a stat that can very widely... and a lot of it depends on who you are throwing to...

Tua throws a lot of short passes... and Waddle and Hill do the heavy lifting getting those extra yards.

I could have easily made the argument that Miami had better talent around Tua and Detroit had around Goff... (But I did not)

Overall I think a Goff and Tua comparison is more than fair. I do not expect Miami fans to prefer Goff over Tua... But come on... They are peers.. .They are contemporaries. There is a strong argument that Tua should be in the same pay range as Goff.
 
djphinfan said:
im so freakin tired of this negotiation Mach.

I just hope Tua is not taking some hard stance that’s all.

I’ll be pissed if we find out he is.
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I firmly believe that it isn’t Tua, it’s his agent, who Tua has trusted to negotiate.

I cannot, at this point in time, fault any agent for lobbying to get as much money as is humanly possible.
 
The Goat said:
Unless I’m mistaken, the point in debate isn’t that Tua should make MORE than Goff. It’s that he should make as much.

So…are you now agreeing that Tua should be paid as much as Goff?
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I am merely responding to the Reports from ESPN and other sites that Tua and the Dolphins were close to a new contract and then Goff and Lawrence got their deals and then Tua and his agent demanded more.

And as I stated posters here typed that Tua has better numbers than Goff. And I showed that is really not true....(I would say they are about the same.)

So it seems to me you are trying to change my argument for me.

Please do not do that.
 
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