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Tua's Next. Be prepared.

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waylon said:
He could decide the risk is to great to play with no future contract and sit out . I would hope he wouldn`t do that myself but some on here seem to think that`s what he`ll do
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I doubt it, and hope it doesn't come to that.

Sitting out is not a good way to prove your worth to other teams. When has that ever worked to the player's advantage? Maybe Watson, but there is only one Browns.
 
Archaeopteryx said:
I don’t think most people in this thread (aside from a few people who really seem to have lost the plot) who are OK with letting him play out this season unsigned want to move on from Tua or are taking him for granted. We’re simply not bothered with the idea of letting it play out that way if that’s what the organization decides to do.
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It's almost like there is a plan in place or more likely, negotiations are ongoing out of public view and it makes people nervous because there are no real leaks.
 
Mach2 said:
I doubt it, and hope it doesn't come to that.

Sitting out is not a good way to prove your worth to other teams. When has that ever worked to the player's advantage? Maybe Watson, but there is only one Browns.
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Sitting out would be disastrous, I think. Tua finally has a real pass catching TE threat and a WR3 who at least has the potential to be a difference maker. Him not getting the chance to build familiarity with them in camp, preseason, etc, as they learn a new and intricate offense would seem like it would be detrimental.

Edit: A key word.
 
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Mach2 said:
I'm not talking about the "cap #". I'm talking about actual cost. Just because you defer the money until a later year doesn't mean it's less.

There is a small advantage to the team as far as cap % due to an increasing cap, but it isn't enough to make or break a potential deal.
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the cap number is the only one that matters. Reducing his cost to say $15 million in 2024 and $25 million allows you to keep the team together now and better absorb the higher costs later. Signing now would be less than half than you would pay with the option plus the tag over the next 2 years which seems like a big advantage to the team
 
rent this space said:
the cap number is the only one that matters. Reducing his cost to say $15 million in 2024 and $25 million allows you to keep the team together now and better absorb the higher costs later. Signing now would be less than half than you would pay with the option plus the tag over the next 2 years which seems like a big advantage to the team
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That is a very short term view, IMO.

As I have said, there are those who believe all in now is the preferred course (I assume you're in this group) and there is nothing wrong with that philosophy.

By the same token, there's nothing wrong with a longer term outlook either. It's just two different perspectives.
 
Golphindolphin said:
The contract and the framework are in Shore's hands, do you have a problem with reading comprehension in addition to being a blatant troll? I was replying to a guy who said it only gets done if Grier says so, that is simply not the case. Further, Ross does not negotiate or meddle in the framework, he certainly gives final approval, most certainly on an historic contract such as this. Ross is not negotiating with anybody, Shore presents proposals and proceeds with Ross' input and/or final approval. Again, the CONTRACT and it's structure are in Brandon Shore's hands.
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You are assuming Mr. Ross is interested in discarding the existing contract and offering Tua a new one.
My take is that it's very possible Mr. Ross is satisfied with the current contract and not interested in discussing a new one until the conclusion of the 2024 season.
If and when Mr. Ross is interested in offering Tua a new contract you are correct he will not be involved with the mundane housekeeping details of dotting i's and crossing t's.
 
Induperator said:
Like I said before and I will say again. Tua needs the Dolphins more than the Dolphins need Tua.

We can let him play out his contract for 23 million this year and then either tag him or negotiate a new contract.

Tua is the only one that has the most to lose
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Truth!
 
Archaeopteryx said:
We’re simply not bothered with the idea of letting it play out that way if that’s what the organization decides to do.
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Let’s call this minority group the “we favor ambiguity and uncertainty in the future” group.

I have seen that group. In middle school, they met at the back of the cafeteria to compare notes on why the earth was flat.

Not a good formula for running a business. Prone to disaster.
 
rent this space said:
the cap number is the only one that matters. Reducing his cost to say $15 million in 2024 and $25 million allows you to keep the team together now and better absorb the higher costs later. Signing now would be less than half than you would pay with the option plus the tag over the next 2 years which seems like a big advantage to the team
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No, what matters is winning playoff games and Superbowl (s).
Your perspective seems to be that it's been decided Tua should be the Dolphins QB for years to come, but I doubt Mr. Ross or Grier have that conviction.
 
Aquapride2 said:
You are assuming Mr. Ross is interested in discarding the existing contract and offering Tua a new one.
My take is that it's very possible Mr. Ross is satisfied with the current contract and not interested in discussing a new one until the conclusion of the 2024 season.
If and when Mr. Ross is interested in offering Tua a new contract you are correct he will not be involved with the mundane housekeeping details of dotting i's and crossing t's.
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Teams are inevitably going to stand up to the outrageous pace of growth for QB contracts. It's nothing personal on Tua - it just doesn't make economic sense when trying to build and entire team. Maybe the dolphins are starting that trend...
 
Archaeopteryx said:
Yes. That doesn’t mean it’s not an option.
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It means it's a TERRIBLE option. Contract cap hits can be manipulated to be smaller with all kinds of methods. Tags CANNOT.

Ye gods, this silliness is killing my brain cells.
 
mekadave said:
It means it's a TERRIBLE option. Contract cap hits can be manipulated to be smaller with all kinds of methods. Tags CANNOT.

Ye gods, this silliness is killing my brain cells.
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I never stated otherwise, yet we see teams do it all the time. If you have to use it, and you feel you have no other choice, then you use it, right? Especially if it comes down to losing a player you don’t want to lose and hope you can eventually come to terms with.
 
Where do you all think his deal stands vs the Lawrence deal?? I could see Tua wanting similar to that deal because he’s been better than Lawrence and I as a fan would be cool with that. More than that starts to feel like a little much and we have some big name talent on this roster we need to keep or try to at least.

I don’t mind the Phins playing a bit of hard balll because I don’t feel like Tua has totally proven himself yet. I would however like to see a deal get done because having a 26 year old possibly coming into his prime sounds a lot better than starting over at QB. It’s an always a risk no matter the player really. Then we can all move on and watch some ball and argue about that

FINS TF UP!
 
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