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UPDATE: Stadium proposal APPROVED/Ross will sign a 30 year lease with Miami-Dade

That renovation in 2003 when seating capacity changed, about 10 years prior to the NFL even considering hosting Super Bowls in cold weather outdoor stadiums. When those renovations were made, a Super Bowl in Chicago was an impossibility.

True, but I followed that situation closely, there was a faction that brought up the fact that for slightly more money, the stadium could be made Super Bowl ready with enough seating and a retractable dome, but they were were rebuffed...
 
LMAO@the hard-wired crowd of panties bunchees and disco-duck retrogrades

This kind of bull**** is beneath you, Vaark.

who are condemning Ross for what's in reality his going even further than the proverbial extra mile. Compare that to fellow billionaires including Arthur Blank and Ziggy Wilf who've had the taxpayers underwrite their brand new stadiums while Ross has been thwarted at every step locally and state-wise, essentially paying the price for the city's stupidity over getting bamboozled by Jeffrey Loria. Ross has bent over backwards to accommodate Miami and its taxpayers including a reassuring 30 year guarantee of staying put. Under severe limitations, he is doing the best he can but must be thinking "why are these others getting free rides?"

Did Ross say from the beginning that he thought we needed a new stadium? No. Did he even say he thought it needed an upgrade? No. He listed it as a positive. As an asset. He's been wrong about this from the beginning.

It wasn't until Roger Goodell pointed out to Ross the flaws inherent in the stadium that the ol' light bulb went off over his head. And even then it was for the wrong reasons. Ross hasn't shown even once that he understands that stadium design and stadium location are competitive issues... that they affect wins and losses. All he's ever showed he cares about relative to the stadium is upgrades for hosting Super Bowls. Not winning them. But hosting them.

If he had showed that he had the right concept of the problem from the beginning, I'd be much more willing to give him a pass for not succeeding, had that been the outcome. But he didn't even try. He doesn't even recognize the problem.

The only upside to this is that virtually no public money is involved. That potentially leaves the door open down the road for a private/public partnership on a new stadium.
 
... that they affect wins and losses.

I've heard lots of excuses of why we lost games. Ive even heard of ridiculous (and hilarious) excuses like blaming it on the fans. But blaming it on the stadiums? The takes the cake. I cant wait for you to spin this one...
 
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Well it would seem that way at first glance. But it really isn't the same thing. For instance, the upper Bowl is not getting closer. Nothing reflecting noise is any closer. The incline of fans I not getting any closer. Literally nothing is changing. It's exactly like they are adding a few rows of foldable expensive seats between the bench and the fan section.

If they moved a stand inward all of those seats would be closer. All of the stuff making noise would be closer and everything reflecting that noise down onto the field would be closer.

Sent from my phone, so please forgive any typos.

What do you want them to do? Obviously they can't physically move the existing seats closer to the field. So they're adding seats closer to the field. I don't see how this is a bad thing.
 
Below is the email that was sent.



Dolfans,

We have an important announcement regarding the home of your Miami Dolphins: following today's Miami-Dade County Commission vote, Mr. Ross will be privately funding the moderization of Sun Life Stadium and we will be breaking ground in the next few weeks. Upon completion, Sun Life Stadium will be a first-class facility, which will bring Super Bowls, College Championships, international soccer and concerts to South Florida for decades to come.

Be a part of this exciting evolution - click here to book your Membership tour today or call us at 1-888-FINS-TIX!

New features will include:


Open air canopy to provide shade/cover

Brand new seats in the entire stadium

Completely renovated concourses and concessions

Brand new suites

Several brand new/unique seating & club options for fans, businesses and families

4 new high-definition video boards in each corner of the stadium
The stadium will be modernized in phases, in a manner that will not impact any football games. Many of the renovations will be done for the 2015 season and the remainder will be completed by the 2016 season.

All of this makes me wonder why they didnt just build a new stadium. Leave that dump standing and let the canes play in it.
 
I'm glad they are changing the seats, not merely painting them to get rid of the empty orange impression when the stadium is barely occupied. Those seats are aged and poorly designed, along with being simply too small. I assume a lessened seating capacity means the seats can now be slightly larger.

Bathrooms and refreshment stands are similarly in need of significant improvement. I'm referring to upper deck, where I sit for Canes games. I prefer low upper deck in that venue.

I hope they replace the escalators. I walk up and down the ramps, trying to maintain any semblance of the wondrous Orange Bowl. But in recent years with elderly relatives there have been numerous issues with the escalators. Often they are completely out. Sometimes they'll be functioning at the outset of the game but not when everyone is leaving. The yellow clad marshals have to stand at the top of the escalators and wave disbelieving fans toward the ramps.

Obviously these issues don't make headlines. It's one of the reasons I have to laugh when posters try to pretend the rooftop and other changes will make it the equivalent of a new stadium. At the Canes spring game I had plenty of time and space to walk the building and evaluate. It's a drab place with problems everywhere, a 27 year old structure that looks every bit of that. The inside club level has been patched to La Quinta lobby caliber, allowing the franchise big shots to enter and exit that area only, happy to look away and pretend the rest of the facility is not nearly as dull and overmatched as it really is, compared to new stadiums.

The original design was such a disaster on so many levels. If a new stadium were constructed, it would have considerably higher percentage of lower bowl seating, and those seats would be tighter to the field. Instead, we are indeed patching. They aren't removing those upper deck sections because Ross is a swell guy and determined to allow fans to watch big screen high definition replays. They want to get rid of upper deck lower cost seating so the big screens are the solution. The Canes have tarped over those sections for years. The TVs replace the tarps. With fewer upper deck seats they can charge more for upper level seats in general. The new field level seats will be many times as expensive as the upper deck seating that is eliminated, allowing the bottom line to remain essentially the same, if not higher, despite the considerable drop in overall capacity. Besides, fans in those lower seats are more likely to spend higher amounts on parking and concessions and merchandise. Everything has an agenda, not always obvious.
 
I'm glad they are changing the seats, not merely painting them to get rid of the empty orange impression when the stadium is barely occupied. Those seats are aged and poorly designed, along with being simply too small. I assume a lessened seating capacity means the seats can now be slightly larger.

Bathrooms and refreshment stands are similarly in need of significant improvement. I'm referring to upper deck, where I sit for Canes games. I prefer low upper deck in that venue.

I hope they replace the escalators. I walk up and down the ramps, trying to maintain any semblance of the wondrous Orange Bowl. But in recent years with elderly relatives there have been numerous issues with the escalators. Often they are completely out. Sometimes they'll be functioning at the outset of the game but not when everyone is leaving. The yellow clad marshals have to stand at the top of the escalators and wave disbelieving fans toward the ramps.

Obviously these issues don't make headlines. It's one of the reasons I have to laugh when posters try to pretend the rooftop and other changes will make it the equivalent of a new stadium. At the Canes spring game I had plenty of time and space to walk the building and evaluate. It's a drab place with problems everywhere, a 27 year old structure that looks every bit of that. The inside club level has been patched to La Quinta lobby caliber, allowing the franchise big shots to enter and exit that area only, happy to look away and pretend the rest of the facility is not nearly as dull and overmatched as it really is, compared to new stadiums.

The original design was such a disaster on so many levels. If a new stadium were constructed, it would have considerably higher percentage of lower bowl seating, and those seats would be tighter to the field. Instead, we are indeed patching. They aren't removing those upper deck sections because Ross is a swell guy and determined to allow fans to watch big screen high definition replays. They want to get rid of upper deck lower cost seating so the big screens are the solution. The Canes have tarped over those sections for years. The TVs replace the tarps. With fewer upper deck seats they can charge more for upper level seats in general. The new field level seats will be many times as expensive as the upper deck seating that is eliminated, allowing the bottom line to remain essentially the same, if not higher, despite the considerable drop in overall capacity. Besides, fans in those lower seats are more likely to spend higher amounts on parking and concessions and merchandise. Everything has an agenda, not always obvious.

Hard to believe that someone that compares the orange bowl to god's kitchen would complain about bathrooms , concession stands and escalators. I have been attending sun life since it opened it doors and have never had an issue with the escalators other than the lines. Personally, I think they need to add about four more. They also have elevators around the stadium which your elderly relatives could use. A bathroom is a bathroom, what exactly are you looking for in there?

I think the upper deck sight lines are good for the price you pay compared to a lot of the newer stadiums being built. Look at the Jets and Cowboys upper decks, Might as well be sitting on the moon. I saw pictures of the new 49ers stadium and it looks like their upper deck is built considerably further back than the lower deck. I agree there should be more lower deck seats though.
 
Poor Ross and the NFL I mean the mere thought of them paying for their own stadium. How dare we intrude on the billions that they make as a whole. I mean all they want to do is provide entertainment for almost nothing to adoring fans while giving all their riches to charity. Kind of funny also that no one is upset that the people had no chance to vote on anything regarding this. I thought this is what Ross was so upset abut last time. Hypocrisy knows no bounds from these millionaires. As long as the elected officials do what the owners want its all good but if not somehow they care about what the people think lol.
 
Poor Ross and the NFL I mean the mere thought of them paying for their own stadium. How dare we intrude on the billions that they make as a whole. I mean all they want to do is provide entertainment for almost nothing to adoring fans while giving all their riches to charity. Kind of funny also that no one is upset that the people had no chance to vote on anything regarding this. I thought this is what Ross was so upset abut last time. Hypocrisy knows no bounds from these millionaires. As long as the elected officials do what the owners want its all good but if not somehow they care about what the people think lol.

you must not like politics lol

all of this doom and gloom about a stadium renovation is pretty sad. here we are, on a forum of miami dolphins fans, and our owner fights to improve the stadium and keep our team here for 30 years, and people still find ways to bitch about it. is it the perfect solution? no, ideally of course, we want a new stadium in a more effective location. is it better than leaving the stadium as it stands and just letting it continue to fall apart? yes. We have an attendance issue, and frankly a problem of team pride, and I think Ross and his people are trying to do whatever they can to help solve it.
 
I am all for the upgrade, and it looks good. I can't figure out though how they will get the seats closer to the field, which IMO is a big problem.
 
For anyone who is complaining about the renovations, I've been to SunLife a bunch of times. I've sat lower level mostly but once in the upper bowl. I thought my seats were fine each time, it was plenty loud even for one of the games that wasn't completely filled.

Overall I thought the stadium was fine and I enjoyed my time there. So if its not that bad to begin with (of course only my opinion), this will only improve the fan experience.
I agree the stadium is hardly the best by modern standards and needs help, but I don't really get people talking as if it were the worst facility ever built.
 
you must not like politics lol

all of this doom and gloom about a stadium renovation is pretty sad. here we are, on a forum of miami dolphins fans, and our owner fights to improve the stadium and keep our team here for 30 years, and people still find ways to bitch about it. is it the perfect solution? no, ideally of course, we want a new stadium in a more effective location. is it better than leaving the stadium as it stands and just letting it continue to fall apart? yes. We have an attendance issue, and frankly a problem of team pride, and I think Ross and his people are trying to do whatever they can to help solve it.

Attendence is not going to be solved by renovation, just a decade a go they averaged over 70,000 fans. The sharp decline in attendance has been because our owner cannot field a winning team.
The team wasn't going anywhere, I have no real issue with the plan although I just get tired of the dishonesty from people that claim to have been so bothered about a vote that he never wanted to happen in the first place.

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I agree the stadium is hardly the best by modern standards and needs help, but I don't really get people talking as if it were the worst facility ever built.

Its not even as bad as many claim. Im not really sure what people expect when they go to a football game.
 
Attendence is not going to be solved by renovation, just a decade a go they averaged over 70,000 fans. The sharp decline in attendance has been because our owner cannot field a winning team.
The team wasn't going anywhere, I have no real issue with the plan although I just get tired of the dishonesty from people that claim to have been so bothered about a vote that he never wanted to happen in the first place.

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Its not even as bad as many claim. Im not really sure what people expect when they go to a football game.

It's not about settling or having some perceived expectations of what you should experience, it's about what could be done to inspire the senses, and infuse the cultures with an impactful shot of tradition and pride, it's about capitalization of a theory that is 100 percent guranteed, all the while making boatloads of money and giving your team a competitive advantage..

There is no risk, only reward..

They have no vision...poor bastards.
 
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