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FinSinceBirth said:
Speaking of curses and the number 13, maybe the reason Dan never won a superbowl was because he was number 13. To think, if he was 14 he'd have won a superbowl or two.
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Wow, to think that some QBs don't win the Super Bowl because of a number, while others never get to it because they suck (like Fiedler).
 
A couple people have already mentioned it but in the Mario era I think there are 2 main reasons that the fins didn't win @ least one SB under the helm of Dan, management of the game, a very mediocre defense throughout his entire career and partially the lack of consistent running game to manage the game.
 
Sirspud said:
Wow, to think that some QBs don't win the Super Bowl because of a number, while others never get to it because they suck (like Fiedler).
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I wasn't actually serious. Unless you believe in curses.
 
man i have alread cracked my brain open going over this many, many times...

i think a lot of it was coaching..we had some horrible defense some of those years and horrible coordinators..i think shula was too loyal to his assistants and stuck with the status quo for too long...

marino would not have been marino had he had a dominant running game...the fact that he had to put the team on his shoulder is what made him what he was..catch 22 if you ask me..i'm done being sad about this and just appreciate marino for the excitement he brought every week..

i've met many phin fans from out of state who have never been to florida and i ask what made them a dolphins fan..9 out of 10 times the response is marino..it's great to hear..sb ring or no sb ring..
 
SCall13 said:
Just my opinion, but the reason Marino didn't win a SB was because of a coach and Don Shulas lack of desire to get rid of him. Tom Olividatti's defensive philosophy was the biggest joke I'd ever seen. Probably the laughing stock of the league. I feel Olividatti caused Marino not to get a ring and in turn it was Shulas fault for not letting him go and showing too much loyalty to bad defensive coach. There were several years that we had some good players, but the philosophy was a joke. This is not exactly on the thread patern. But i thought of it anyway so I typed it.
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If Shula had enticed Arnsbarger to stay on instead of letting him go to LSU, Marino would have 10 rings.
 
i say thanks for sharing this with the lower ranks of dolphin fans who won't spend the $24.00 to be a very special dolphin fan
 
Phinz1972 said:
I posted this in the VIP and got great responses to it, and felt that everyone on the board could have some insightful thoughts on the subject too, so here we go:

When Marino was playing and even there after he was done playing, people always said, "Marino never got a ring because he had no runningback to compliment his passing game." Was that really true? I ask because when Fiedler was here, he was an average QB and we did having a running, but got no ring or anywhere close to it.

So what has it been that has stopped us from getting to the promise land again? I personally think it was a combo of positions on the team(including coaching staff). I mean, we had a superstar QB that everyone loved and we couldn't gameplan around him, he had to be the gameplan(marino), we had a superstar RB that everyone wanted to see crush the other team's defence, and he was our gameplan(Ricky), we had superstar WRs(Irving, O.J., etc...), and so on. But Nick Saban seems to be taking the play of the Patriots by not going out and paying for highpriced superstars, instead, he is gathering a group of players that are out to prove something, players that compliment eachother at their positions, overall not great, but good enough to be starters....that way we don't have one player being the star of the team, but having a group of stars instead.

Your thoughts?
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One simple answer. SALARY CAP. Look at the Steelers of the 70's, the 49ers of the 80's, and the Cowboys of the 90's. All of these teams had multiple superstars. The Dolphins didn't. The Dolphins had a few, but Marino was the big man.

Now-adays you can't afford to pay for Montana, Young, Rice, Craig, and Dwight all on the same team. The times are different. Marino never won a bowl because Miami never drafted well. That was it, draft good players, bring in all the talent you want.

Now you lose players left and right. With that in mind the idea of stars is no longer the way to go. The Billy B era supports the team philosophy. You need a team to win now. A bunch of above average players, who not only play well together. But want to play together. You need guys who put the superbowl before their salary (ala Bruschi). Then you need the whole team to buy into the coach's philosophy.

Comparing these two situations is a bad idea. Because the two different eras offer two different styles of team management. Marino would probably never win a bowl in today's era... see Manning. Not enough money to go around. He was in the perfect era, but just didn't get any luck...

Piss poor running game, and continually weak defense. Losing 46-45 won't get you a bowl. Then when playoffs roll around defenses have 7 guys back. Marino was the team, too much dependance on him.
 
ruddyone said:
i say thanks for sharing this with the lower ranks of dolphin fans who won't spend the $24.00 to be a very special dolphin fan
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I was tempted to say this... but I chose not to. Damn I got a laugh from that though. :rofl3::rofl3:
 
I was trying to be nice and get the input from you guys and see what you all thought from the thread i did in the VIP area, but some want to mock the thread and so on...

you guys are taking this VIP thing way too personal and to heart....if you can't get it, save for it, if you don't want to pay for it, then stop bringing it up.

Leave the thread at its topic title, if you want to complain and moan about the VIP thing, do it in the VIP thread.
 
Super star WR.. Not! Good. Maybe very good. Not super stars!! Marino lost a good receiver and still posted #s'. The wr never posted crap again. That includes Mark and Mark!

I do feel coaching is part of it! Talent on D was far far to inferior. Drafting was not Shula's forteit! Unfortunately.
 
SCall13 said:
Tom Olividatti's defensive philosophy was the biggest joke I'd ever seen. Probably the laughing stock of the league. I feel Olividatti caused Marino not to get a ring and in turn it was Shulas fault for not letting him go and showing too much loyalty to bad defensive coach.
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But his prevent defense was the best! :rolleyes:
 
Phinz1972 said:
I was trying to be nice and get the input from you guys and see what you all thought from the thread i did in the VIP area, but some want to mock the thread and so on...

you guys are taking this VIP thing way too personal and to heart....if you can't get it, save for it, if you don't want to pay for it, then stop bringing it up.

Leave the thread at its topic title, if you want to complain and moan about the VIP thing, do it in the VIP thread.
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i agree. everyone is taking this VIP thing to far. I think this is a good thing to think about and to disscus. This is a really interesting topic and one of the most interesting post i seen, Great points, it makes u rethink about why he never won a superbowl. Great post!
 
Phinz1972 said:
I was trying to be nice and get the input from you guys and see what you all thought from the thread i did in the VIP area, but some want to mock the thread and so on...

you guys are taking this VIP thing way too personal and to heart....if you can't get it, save for it, if you don't want to pay for it, then stop bringing it up.

Leave the thread at its topic title, if you want to complain and moan about the VIP thing, do it in the VIP thread.
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You're absolutely correct. Lets face it, some people thing they deserve everything for free. Little do they realize that someone actaully had to PAY for the domain name www.finheaven along w/a server (if not more than one) to handle all this data. And don't forget, people have donated their time to construct and maintain the site.

But yet they still complain.........cheap *****.
 
I agree with the thought about having stars at QB for a time and then RB. I just look at the best teams of the last 20 some years. San Fran had Montana, Rice, and even Craig, then it was Young, Watters, and Rice, then in Dallas you had Smith, Aikman, and Irvin. Denver had Elway, Smith, and Davis. Plus they all had great defenses in the years that they won. We had Marino and the Marks and no D and No runner. This hurt us because we were one dimensional. Then we had a great d and Ricky but no Qb. QB is the most important player on the field and that hurt us because when it came time to "get paid" Fieldler would screw it up. Defense can win with a efficient offense. Doesn't mean it has to be great but efficient we did not have a efficient offense, teams would stack the line and make fieldler beat them, this never could happen.

Marino was screw by his defenses over the years. The other team would put up so many points that he felt the pressure everytime he touched the field. "He was hurt by his own success", I agree but when your defense lets other teams, the Bills, score at will on you, what is he suppose to do? Pass up the 40 yard touchdown because his D is Tired. As much as they may have been tired from Marino leading quick drives, they also sucked. They gave up tons of big throws and running plays every game. I don't think they were on the field long enough to get tired. 3 plays and the other team had scored. Then Marino would come out and score as quickly as he could to even the score. he hated to trail.
That's what I think.
 
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