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We wont have to trade up to land our QB, and here’s why

AdamD13 said:
Tua's medicals have been reported today as extremely positive, as good as can be. Fracture fully healed and no signs of any dead cells (what happened to Bo Jackson's hip).
Assuming no setbacks before draft it would be shocking if he doesn't go top 3.
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Which is why I have no problem trading up
 
AdamD13 said:
Tua's medicals have been reported today as extremely positive, as good as can be. Fracture fully healed and no signs of any dead cells (what happened to Bo Jackson's hip).
Assuming no setbacks before draft it would be shocking if he doesn't go top 3.
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His seems to be healing well and has a pro day scheduled soon. That pro day performance will determine a lot. I did find Tua's comment about being mostly bionic pretty funny.
 
Atila said:
Worth noting: more unlikely than likely that Redskins draft a QB but I don't find it THAT crazy of an idea. Legit possibility.

The Lions could also easily draft a QB and trade Stafford to someone like the Colts etc...

Just some things to think about. I hope we don't get nervous and trade up.
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The Lions aren’t trading Stafford to anybody until the 2021 season at the earliest. If Stafford is traded, he counts for $32 million in dead cap hit for this season.

That would be 16% of their cap space and he wouldn’t even play for them!
 
It’s simple, if the love for Tua is true, they trade to 2/3 to get him (even if it costs 1A, 1C & 2B).

If Miami don’t draft Tua or try and trade up to do so, he never was their guy
 
Padfoot said:
I seriously doubt Tua makes it to 5. Unless there is a medical set back, some team (probably several but it only takes one) will see him being worth the value to trade up. Teams have given up more value for less.
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If there is any kind of medical setback Tua is not getting drafted in the first round.
 
I'm not comfortable hinging the Dolphins future at QB upon speculation of what numerous teams may or may not do. If we like a guy, we need to go get him.

Also, youre missing some teams, like the Bucs, The Bears, The Titans, or even the Pats.

Ill gamble with other positions, but when it comes to QB I'm buying the pot.
 
Kyndig said:
Assumptions, smoke screens, skullduggery, and nincompoopery are common this time of year. It’s the draft baby!

1st Assumption: A super talented QB with durability questions long term is someone that everyone is going to trade the farm for to jump in front of us to pick.

Not certain about that. I think that it’s possible that Herbert And Love without trading up and spending valuable draft resources/capital are better options for most teams, (including us) than trading up for Tua. Or, I’m cool with drafting Tua, if he falls to us without having to trade for him if the coaching staff thinks he’s the best available player/QB.

How many teams are a threat to trade in front of us, or take a QB before us?

Washington Redskins. Doesn’t make sense to give up on Dwayne Haskins yet. Their best option is to draft highest rated prospect on their board, which is probably Chase Young, and ride with Haskins for a full year at the helm. Either Haskins will show progress and instill confidence that he could be the guy, our he will implode, and the redskins will be in position to draft a QB 1 next year when Trevor Lawrence and others are coming out. % they draft a QB? Far more unlikely than likely. %chance someone trades for their pick to jump in front of them? Also low, the Lions and Giants picks can be had for a cheaper price, no need to jump in front of the Lions.

Lions. Management is under the gun to win immediately. Their best chance of winning is for Matthew Stanford to come back and for them to set him up with players who can help them win now. They need to either trade back and acquire more picks, or draft the best player available on their board who can help them win now Or they may be unemployed next year, and that stands for both Patricia and their GM.

New York Giants. Daniel Jones is their guy. They don’t need to draft a QB, they have many other holes they have to address here. They will either trade down, or draft the BPA.

So, who does that leave who is a threat to trade ahead of us?

San Diego Chargers. They draft behind us. They could trade up to 3 or 4 if they feel that strongly about Herbert. Doubt they would trade that far up for Tua who has the Durability risk when they can stay put and draft either Tua, Herbert, or Love (Whoever’s left) without trading any draft capital. This is because of an analysis of the following teams who need QB’s potentially badly enough to trade up:

Carolina Panthers. A possibility, but based on what I’ve heard, it is more likely that they roll with Cam Newton this year. Seems like they may be confident in him coming back from his injuries. Now, this could change, but there is a very realistic chance they stay put and draft one of the top QB prospects if they fall to them, or they could draft an incredible player if Bengals, Dolphins, & Chargers all draft QB’s in front of them, then they are left with a very impressive group of talented non QB Players. I believe they will roll with Cam next year And maybe draft a QB later, or sign a Free agent like Teddy Bridgewater or someone else to back up Cam Newton. Besides, at this point it is highly likely that either Love or Tua will be available, so someone can either trade up here or select one of them whoever is available without spending the draft capital to trade in front of us, including the Panthers.

Jaguars. A young prospect will come in handy, but with Foles contract and Minshew in the fold, I doubt it makes sense for them to pay the price it will take to move up ahead of the Dolphins to draft Herbert, or a Durability risk QB, or Jordan Love. I think they have to go one more year with Foles/Minshew and deal with a new QB later in the draft or next year.

Raiders. At this point the cost starts to get prohibitive to jump from 12 to 3 or 4, I.e. in front of us, and the Raiders still have Carr, not sure how they feel about him, they could trade him, not sure what they would get for him, they could go after Tom Brady, or another veteran to compete with Carr, Gruden historically doesn’t like rookie QB’s. but you never know.

Colts. They are built to win now. They will likely go Free agent route with Philip Rivers looking like a solid fit there, possibly even Brady. Unlikely to trade up for a rookie QB and pay the price that it would take from the 13th pick, but you never know.

Broncos. They are desperate for a QB. Elway has failed so much with his rookie QB’s I believe he would rather go the free agent route, but you never know if there is a prospect that he feels so strongly about that he would mortgage the next 2 drafts to move up from 15 to 3 (in front of us is all I’m concerned with) to draft.

Again, this is just analysis based on what information is out there, not pretending to know anything or have inside knowledge, just looking at each team’s situation and applying logic that seems reasonable to me. But, the draft is unpredictable, so we’ll see how it shakes out, but I don’t think we need to trade valuable assets that we traded good players for to get one of the top 4 QB prospects in this draft, and I think Tua still is promising but risky and unnecessary to trade valuable draft assets to select if we want him, and Herbert and Love might be more highly regarded amongst the teams picking than the rest of us think and that Tua’s durability risk makes is less likely that a team will trade too much for him, but you never know.
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it’s simple, we have to many needs, that’s why ;)
 
Kyndig said:
What makes you say that?
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Way too many assumptions to leave things to chance when it comes to the most Important position in all of sports. I guess if you want to settle for what's left of the top four QBs you may be able to stay where you are but every team in the league knows that Miami has to come away with a QB.
 
AdamD13 said:
Tua's medicals have been reported today as extremely positive, as good as can be. Fracture fully healed and no signs of any dead cells (what happened to Bo Jackson's hip).
Assuming no setbacks before draft it would be shocking if he doesn't go top 3.
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It's not just the injury though. The guy has an injury history and teams are going to worry about him being able to stay healthy in the NFL.
 
rickd13 said:
Way too many assumptions to leave things to chance when it comes to the most Important position in all of sports. I guess if you want to settle for what's left of the top four QBs you may be able to stay where you are but every team in the league knows that Miami has to come away with a QB.
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My thoughts are that the injury to Tua changes things regarding risk and that based on all the reasons I pointed out, there is a good chance he will be available to us without trading. Second points are that Justin Herbert may be higher regarded as a prospect by NFL front offices than on this board as well as Jordan Love, and in fact, the assumptions being made that I was trying to debunk are exactly the one you are making. However, it’s only an opinion, so maybe u will end up being right, but if this is a game of poker, then I think we can get a fine prospect without trading our chips away for one, especially if that one has demonstrated a durability risk going all the way back to high school.
 
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