What is the difference between the Dolphins and Jets?

[NY8123]

We earned the spot in '09 too then proved we belonged once in postseason. teams get breaks, good ones take advantage and we did that.

In '10 we clinched in week 16 so how did we almost lose it?

We were 2 OT wins from '9-7 and 2 dropped Tds by Holmes from 13-3- what is the point?

There is a difference, one has been on the doorstep of the SB thr last 2 years and the other hasn't even been a playoff contender- that's a pretty big difference, right?

If earning the spot is the equivalent of playing all your starters in a pre-season games for 4 quarters while the other team rests theirs then I guess you earned it in 09.
2010 the Jets started out hot, real hot but then faded losing 3 of 5, not really the way you want to head into the playoffs.

The Jets could have easily had the same amount of playoff appearances as Miami has had in the last three seasons. - 1.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

So bitter and childish. When you take away your 2008 div title we'll take away our 2009 run to the title game.



We have won 6 more games in the reg season and 10 ttoal inclduing postseason in the last 2 years.


We are AHEAD of the Pats the last 2 years and on their level going into 2010. Did you miss the time we manhandled them in their building in the div rd earlier this year?

because in 08, we still went 11-5, a very respectable record to make the playoffs and win a division.

i understand brady was out, but we still split with them which we do a decent amount of times, and the one time we beat them, they could have had dan marino as their qb, they were so surprised by our wildcat, they couldnt stop it. we were winning that game with or without brady.

you can say how the dolphins had an easy schedule in 08. ok fine, but heres the difference. although many of the teams they played were not that good, those teams were still playing their first stringers and trying their hardest to win those games.

in 09, the jets got to play 2 of the better teams on their schedule when they were resembling a team that would have picked top 5 in the nfl draft the following year, and yet with those 2 wins they still only went 9-7, which is usually not good enough to make the playoffs.

i really didnt want to bring up and argue about that year again, but you brought it up so i couldn't resist.

 

[Kdawg954]

The biggest difference right now is the offensive line and coaching. I'd give both advantages to the JEST.

They have an advantage in the secondary, but it isn't huge. TE they have the advantage.

Our biggest advantage is on the DLine . . . Jets got some young guys looking to prove themselves, the Fins have young guys who have proven themselves.

I'd say we have the advantage in the kicking game and at LB (factoring in the elite pass rusher they don't have).

At Running back, they have a slight edge, but the wildcard is Reggie Bush and his explosion. Jets lost Brad Smith and Leon Washington the last 2 years, so they definitely have lost some of that "explosion" they have shown the past 2 years.

Quarterback you give to Sanchez based on history, but I could see Chad easily proving to be the better QB this season . . . slight edge to the Jets based on history, edge Dolphins based on potential.

WR I'll lean slightly to Miami. Marshall is the best WR in the division. Holmes is the #2 guy. Davone Bess is a better slot WR than Kerley. It really depends on Plaxico Burress. If he is anything ike Plax of the past, he would be a better guy than Hartline . . . but Hartline is no slouch. I also think Miami has a few young guys while the Jets keep trotting out Patrick Turner. Edge Miami if Plax struggles . . . slight edge Miami if he plays well.

For Miami to draw even . . . Sparano needs to prove his value as a coach and get this OLine fixed. It reflects bad on the team that your speciality is the #1 liability on the team. He also needs to show that his team can run a proper 2 minute offense and not take silly timeouts. Winning helps to make a coach look better . . . Tony needs to hope his team starts winning this year . . . meaning more wins than losses. I think Miami is as talented as the Jets overall, maybe even a little more, but it needs to come together.

 

[nyjunc]

If earning the spot is the equivalent of playing all your starters in a pre-season games for 4 quarters while the other team rests theirs then I guess you earned it in 09.
2010 the Jets started out hot, real hot but then faded losing 3 of 5, not really the way you want to head into the playoffs.

The Jets could have easily had the same amount of playoff appearances as Miami has had in the last three seasons. - 1.

Indy rested starters for a qtr and a half not 4 qtrs, we got a break but we took advantage just like Miami playing all those JV teams to end 2008. You got a break and took advantage.

You like to play the "could have" game, we also easily could have(and should have) won the div title in 2008 had Favre not melted late and then you'd have zero playoff apps since 2002 but that didn't happen and you won. We can play what if games all day but let's stick to what actually happened.

because in 08, we still went 11-5, a very respectable record to make the playoffs and win a division.

i understand brady was out, but we still split with them which we do a decent amount of times, and the one time we beat them, they could have had dan marino as their qb, they were so surprised by our wildcat, they couldnt stop it. we were winning that game with or without brady.

you can say how the dolphins had an easy schedule in 08. ok fine, but heres the difference. although many of the teams they played were not that good, those teams were still playing their first stringers and trying their hardest to win those games.

in 09, the jets got to play 2 of the better teams on their schedule when they were resembling a team that would have picked top 5 in the nfl draft the following year, and yet with those 2 wins they still only went 9-7, which is usually not good enough to make the playoffs.

i really didnt want to bring up and argue about that year again, but you brought it up so i couldn't resist.

against a creampuff sched then once in postseason you were humiliated at home in the WC round.

Those teams weren't playing their first string QBs and many were playing out the season trying to get to the offseason. You beat 5-6 dead teams BUT you did what you had to do. Miami deserved the dic title in 2008 just like we deserved the WC spot in '09.

 

[JB1089]

You would think the Jets have too and that is the point of the debate. In 09 the Jets were 7-7 and needed help to get in. Yes in 2010 they earned the spot but they almost lost it going 2-3 down the stretch, the Jets hardly coasted into the playoffs in 2010 and while every team needs to catch breaks during the season in terms of luck and injury, the Jets were 2 OT wins away from going 9-7 and some really close games from being even worse. You can make the case that if Miami caught some breaks they would have been 9-7 as well (blown call and 4 points more).

The Jets are not that different from Miami, the luck factor has been on the Jets side and that is the case for most successful teams, they catch some breaks during the season to help them along the way, a ball bounces off a foot, a call goes their way, an interception dropped.

It is was it is but one thing is certain the Jets better come to play this season when they line up against the Fins, records and talent seem to go out the window when the two teams play.

You seem to have forgotten about the breaks the Dolphins caught.

As bad as the Jets were in the 2nd Jets-Dolphins game, the Dolphins were much worse. You had 3 turnovers to our 2, and gained 131 yards to our 280. If Holmes doesn't drop a wide open pass in the endzone, you lose that game.

You won a game against the Vikings, in which you were outgained by 150 yards, by 4 points on a goalline stand.

You won an OT game against the Packers in which Clay Matthews didn't play (the only game he missed all year).

Every fanbase has a "woe is me" attitude. They see all the breaks that go against their team, and none of the ones that are in their favor.

Yes, you could have been 9-7 last year, but you also weren't very far from being 4-12. That's how it goes in the NFL. Thus Bill Parcells' oft-quoted line: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE.

The Miami Dolphins are a mediocre team, until proven otherwise.
The New York Jets are a very good team, until proven otherwise.

 

[finfan54]

just cover moss. game over.hit that ***** when he comes across on slant.

 

[MDFINFAN]

On paper this year, what are the differences (throw out years past)?

The difference, right now Defense.. I think the Jet's are just a little better at this point. And what I mean by that is execution...not talent.

 

[The New Guy]

This wasn't 2008 or 2010. Was Miami bad in 2008 b/c they won 1 game in 2007 and 7 in 2009? That's silly.

It is not silly at all. If no major changes were made to the Dolphins roster from 08 to 10 and they went from winning 1 game to 11 games to 7 games, I would say that yes, they were a bad team. In 07 when the Dolphins only had 1 win the starting qbs were Trent Green (5 games), Cleo Lemon (7 games), and John Beck (4 games) The leading receiver for the team was Marty Booker. Ronnie Brown only started 7 games and Ricky only played in 1 game. That is a very different roster from 07 to 08. In 09 we lost Pennington after week 3. My point is, major key players changed from year to year which made the win / loss record change like it did. The Dolphins are a good team that needs more consistent QB play. If we had a healthy Pennington in 08, 09, 10. The Dolphins are easily a 10 win team each year. They were not because they did not have consistent qb play, not becasue they are / were a bad team.

The Bengals on the other hand have been nothing but average / bad for a very long time. From 09 to 10 it could be argued that the Bengals upgraded their roster, and still only won 4 games. In 09 the Bengals only beat 1 team (outside their own division) with a winning record.

You can think that it was some great accomplishment for the Jets to beat them, but they were bad! They were the weakest team in the playoffs, AFC or NFC.

It was an incredibly close play, if called incomplete on the field they wouldn't have overturned it. The point is plays are made, bad calls happen, bad plays happen. Good teams make fewer mistakes and overcome the few mistakes thye make.

First let me say that it was the correct call, and I believe it is so clear that had it been ruled an incomplete pass, it would have easily been overturned.

In regards to bad calls, I strongly disagree. Sometimes the Refs bad calls cost the deserving winner the game. If that happens, you can't just say, well yeah it was a bad call, but the better team won becasue they made the plays they needed to earlier in the game. No! They won the game becasue the Ref blew it. (See Miami vs Pitt) I look at the game in reality. Sure I enjoy a win no matter how it came to pass, but the reality is sometimes you win because of lucky breaks and bad calls. It is just funny to me when a team / fans beats their chest over those kinds of wins.

Yes, the man who missed from 36 & 40 was going to hit from 58, the same guy who missed GW kicks against the Jets in '04 and NE in '06 in postseason?

I think it would have been a 53 or 54 yard attempt, and he was not that far off on a 57 earlier in the game. He has a career long of 57, and made a 54 yard field goal in week 15 against Cincy. I agree that he has always choked in the playoffs, and that kind of proves my point that the Jets were fortunate to face them.

There's no chance Miami wins in '08 if Brady plays, they won on a tiebreaker. It's safe to say NE would ahve won at least one more game if the best QB in the game played 16 games for them. That's not a knock on Miami, it is reality.

I'm glad you finally said that. If you see that as reality, why can't you see the Jets run to the AFCC games in reality?

When you are the only team in the league to make the title game the last 2 years that makes you elite. Things change in a hurry, we could break through and make the SB OR we could struggle and go 6-10 but going into 2011 we are one of the elite teams based on what has been accomplished the last 2 seasons.

Wrong. How you get to the AFCC game the last 2 years makes you elite or fortunate / lucky. Elite teams only change in a hurry if the nucleus changes, or a major injury to a key player happens. If the Jets go 6-10 without any major injuries, it would just prove that they were never elite.

against a creampuff sched then once in postseason you were humiliated at home in the WC round.

Had the Jets faced Bal instead of a bad Cincy team in 09, they also would have been humiliated.

You seem to have forgotten about the breaks the Dolphins caught.

As bad as the Jets were in the 2nd Jets-Dolphins game, the Dolphins were much worse. You had 3 turnovers to our 2, and gained 131 yards to our 280. If Holmes doesn't drop a wide open pass in the endzone, you lose that game.

You won a game against the Vikings, in which you were outgained by 150 yards, by 4 points on a goalline stand.

You won an OT game against the Packers in which Clay Matthews didn't play (the only game he missed all year).

Every fanbase has a "woe is me" attitude. They see all the breaks that go against their team, and none of the ones that are in their favor.

Yes, you could have been 9-7 last year, but you also weren't very far from being 4-12. That's how it goes in the NFL. Thus Bill Parcells' oft-quoted line: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE.

The Miami Dolphins are a mediocre team, until proven otherwise.
The New York Jets are a very good team, until proven otherwise.

Wait a minute....are you saying that the Dolphins were fortunate / lucky that Holmes dropped that pass? Are you saying that the Dolphins would not have won had that not happened? Are you saying that the Jets were better and should have won?

How do I reply to that nyjunc? I think it goes something like, the dolphins were the better team. Vontea Davis was screaming loudly at him which had everything to do with him dropping it. The great teams get those kind of breaks and....I can't remember the rest.

 

[Kdawg954]

The difference, right now Defense.. I think the Jet's are just a little better at this point. And what I mean by that is execution...not talent.

I can agree with that, I actually think we may be a little more talented on defense, but the Jets have executed better and though I love Mike Nolan nobody can deny Rex Ryan and what his defense have accomplished.

 

[finfan54]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...obs-fb-conner-hurt?module=HP11_headline_stack

take a look at the last paragraph. raised my eyebrows.

and on NFLN with a few ex-players who i think know there stuff, say they are wondering who the third WR is going to be for the jets. They dont really know who is going to be that guy.

 

[finfan54]

The Miami Dolphins are a mediocre team, until proven otherwise.
The New York Jets are a very good team, until proven otherwise.

dolphins 3-1 vs. rexy jets

now we just need to take care of the rest of the league.

 

[nyjunc]

It is not silly at all. If no major changes were made to the Dolphins roster from 08 to 10 and they went from winning 1 game to 11 games to 7 games, I would say that yes, they were a bad team. In 07 when the Dolphins only had 1 win the starting qbs were Trent Green (5 games), Cleo Lemon (7 games), and John Beck (4 games) The leading receiver for the team was Marty Booker. Ronnie Brown only started 7 games and Ricky only played in 1 game. That is a very different roster from 07 to 08. In 09 we lost Pennington after week 3. My point is, major key players changed from year to year which made the win / loss record change like it did. The Dolphins are a good team that needs more consistent QB play. If we had a healthy Pennington in 08, 09, 10. The Dolphins are easily a 10 win team each year. They were not because they did not have consistent qb play, not becasue they are / were a bad team.

The Bengals on the other hand have been nothing but average / bad for a very long time. From 09 to 10 it could be argued that the Bengals upgraded their roster, and still only won 4 games. In 09 the Bengals only beat 1 team (outside their own division) with a winning record.

You can think that it was some great accomplishment for the Jets to beat them, but they were bad! They were the weakest team in the playoffs, AFC or NFC.





First let me say that it was the correct call, and I believe it is so clear that had it been ruled an incomplete pass, it would have easily been overturned.

In regards to bad calls, I strongly disagree. Sometimes the Refs bad calls cost the deserving winner the game. If that happens, you can't just say, well yeah it was a bad call, but the better team won becasue they made the plays they needed to earlier in the game. No! They won the game becasue the Ref blew it. (See Miami vs Pitt) I look at the game in reality. Sure I enjoy a win no matter how it came to pass, but the reality is sometimes you win because of lucky breaks and bad calls. It is just funny to me when a team / fans beats their chest over those kinds of wins.




I think it would have been a 53 or 54 yard attempt, and he was not that far off on a 57 earlier in the game. He has a career long of 57, and made a 54 yard field goal in week 15 against Cincy. I agree that he has always choked in the playoffs, and that kind of proves my point that the Jets were fortunate to face them.



I'm glad you finally said that. If you see that as reality, why can't you see the Jets run to the AFCC games in reality?




Wrong. How you get to the AFCC game the last 2 years makes you elite or fortunate / lucky. Elite teams only change in a hurry if the nucleus changes, or a major injury to a key player happens. If the Jets go 6-10 without any major injuries, it would just prove that they were never elite.



Had the Jets faced Bal instead of a bad Cincy team in 09, they also would have been humiliated.




Wait a minute....are you saying that the Dolphins were fortunate / lucky that Holmes dropped that pass? Are you saying that the Dolphins would not have won had that not happened? Are you saying that the Jets were better and should have won?

How do I reply to that nyjunc? I think it goes something like, the dolphins were the better team. Vontea Davis was screaming loudly at him which had everything to do with him dropping it. The great teams get those kind of breaks and....I can't remember the rest.

In 2009 the Bengals only played 5 teams w/ winning records outside of their division, in all they went 5-4 against teams w/ winning records and 3-2.

No one is hulimiating the Jets in a postseason game the way Miami was and we played a better game against Indy than Baltimore did so to say they would have humiliated us is wishful thinking.

 

[dainfamusgc]

Jets suck they wont win more than 2 games this year and dolphins will win 14 and the superbowl

 

[The New Guy]

In 2009 the Bengals only played 5 teams w/ winning records outside of their division, in all they went 5-4 against teams w/ winning records and 3-2.

And they went 1-4 against those winning teams outside their division. Yes, in all they went 5-4 against teams with winning records but 4 of those wins came from only 2 teams (Pitt and Bal) which were both only 1 game above .500. Doesn't this show that 2009 was a down year for Pitt and Bal?

No one is hulimiating the Jets in a postseason game the way Miami was and we played a better game against Indy than Baltimore did so to say they would have humiliated us is wishful thinking.

Yeah, cause there is no way Sanchez could ever throw 4 picks against a great defense.

I am talking about the 08 Ravens which made the AFCC game. (That makes them elite right?) Had the 09 or 10 Jets faced the 08 Ravens, the result would have been the same, if not worse. The 09 Ravens were not as good, but I still think that they beat the Jets by more than 10 points.


The 08 Mia / Bal game was an 11 point game early in the 4th, so you can call it being humiliated, but an 18 point loss is not much different than a 13 point loss. Especially when you consider that the team that lost by 18 had 5 turnovers, and the team that lost by 13 only had 1.

 

[nyjunc]

And they went 1-4 against those winning teams outside their division. Yes, in all they went 5-4 against teams with winning records but 4 of those wins came from only 2 teams (Pitt and Bal) which were both only 1 game above .500. Doesn't this show that 2009 was a down year for Pitt and Bal?




Yeah, cause there is no way Sanchez could ever throw 4 picks against a great defense.

I am talking about the 08 Ravens which made the AFCC game. (That makes them elite right?) Had the 09 or 10 Jets faced the 08 Ravens, the result would have been the same, if not worse. The 09 Ravens were not as good, but I still think that they beat the Jets by more than 10 points.


The 08 Mia / Bal game was an 11 point game early in the 4th, so you can call it being humiliated, but an 18 point loss is not much different than a 13 point loss. Especially when you consider that the team that lost by 18 had 5 turnovers, and the team that lost by 13 only had 1.

who cares if they were div teams or not? they went 5-4 against teams w/ winning records which includes the game they supposedly layed down against us, right?

Sanchez has 3 INts total91 in garbage time) in 6 playoff games so yeah I don't see him throwing 4 in one game.

'08 Bal was elite, they have made the div rd 3 straight years- I might even consider than elite at least in the AFC.

The '08 Ravens were good but let's not make them out to be the '00 Ravens, they beat an overmatched team in the WC rd and then beat a team the '08 jets humiliated in late November in the div rd. The '09 & '10 jets would have had a great chance to beat the '08 Ravens.

You can make all the excuses you want but Miami was never in that game. It was 20-3 entering the 4th, window dressing made it 20-9 but you were never in that game.