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What is the difference between the Dolphins and Jets?

I would normally agree that the AFC North is a tough division, but 09 was a down year for that division. Cincinnati has been terrible, and their 08 season (4-11-1), and 10 season (4-12) show what type of team they really were.



Missed field goals count, but the fact is SD missed 2 easy field goals that cost them the game. The final score was 17-14 Jets. SD makes those field goals, and its 20-17 Chargers. Yes, the Jets missed 2 field goals against the Colts in the AFCC game, but the final score was 30-17 making those missed field goals irrelevant.



An incomplete pass? You can't be serious! Take a good look at 4:23 again.

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Perfect coverage? Again, you can't be serious! 3:47 mark if you would like to look at it again.

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Jackson is in front of Revis, and he drops the ball. Yes, Revis pulling on his right arm had something to do with the drop, but the crazy part is when it bounced off his foot right into the lap of Revis. It was good concentration by Revis, but very lucky that the ball ended up in his lap.



Jets fan's certainly don't care that the Colts were banged up, and neither would I had the Dolphins been the ones playing them. The fact is they were not the same Colts team and the Jets were fortunate that they were banged up. Had they not been, the Jets don't get passed round 1.

Are you really going to compare losing Lito Shepard and Shonn Green in 09/10, to the Colts injuries in 10/11? It is not even close. The Colts could have gone undefeated in the 09/10 regular season had they not rested their starters. The Colts were clearly the better team in 09/10, and would have beaten the Jets even if they had Green and Shepard the whole game.




What if SD made those 2 field goals and the Jets lost? Would that change your opinion of the Jets as an elite team? What if Indy was healthy in the 10/11 playoffs, and beat the Jets. Would that change your opinion of the Jets as an elite team? Those things did not happen, but not becasue of anything the Jets did, but becasue of the other teams bad luck. SD missing 2 easy field goals, or Indy being decimated by injuries does not make the Jets elite. You can argue that the Jets still would have beaten Indy had they been healthy, but since they only beat them by 1 point, I would disagree.

Without good fortune, the Jets lose at SD in 09/10, and lose to Indy in10/11. A good team and good seasons, but not even close to elite in my opinion.

How was '09 a down year? Bal and Pitt both had winning records and Bal made the div round. The reason neither won the div was b/c both got swept by Cincy.



It's easy to look at the final score and say they msised 2 easy FGs BUT it was 17-7 and the Jets went into prevent mode, if it is 17-10 or 17-13 they don't and when we werne't in prevent our D dominated SD all game long.

His arm was going forward, it was a borerline call that could easily have gone either way. if they called it incomplete on the field they never would have reversed it.

Revis was right on him and made a great play on the ball, give the man some credit.

Rivers was blitzed and forced to throw early forcing jackson to alter his route but revis was right there w/ him and his arm knocking Jackson's arm had everything to do w/ why he didn't catch it. a GREAT play.

If we have kris Jenkins, Jim Leonhard, a healthy damien Woody things could have been different too. In '09 if we didn't lose Jenkins, Leon, the DBs, Shon Greene,... It's part of the game. Indy didn't have them and they lost.

We were in cotnrol of the '09 title game until we lost a couple of DBs(you think you need DBs when facing manning?) we had the lead at halftime when Greene went down. That was a HUGE loss.

Yeah IF SD beats us and IF NE neats us we don't make the title games and we aren't elite but we DID beat those teams. I can say what iof Greene doesn't get hurt? what if that long pass at the end of the 1st half at Indy in the title game doesn't get completed(it was completed by an inch), what if we don't get stuffed at the 1 or they call the Sanchez play incomplete? There are what ifs in every game, we won some and lost others- all deserving. We can also play the what if game for the SB teams the last 2 years and all successful teams, it's silly to do so. The Jets clearly have been an elite team the last 2 years, now let's see if they can remain elite and final;ly break through to the SB.
 
How was '09 a down year? Bal and Pitt both had winning records and Bal made the div round. The reason neither won the div was b/c both got swept by Cincy.

Cincinnati was the division winner with only 10 wins. Both Pitt and Bal were 9-7. Much different than the records both teams had the year prior (Pitt 12-4) (Bal 11-5), and the year after (Pitt 12-4) (Bal 12-4)
Cincinnati was the worst team in the 09 playoffs, and it is not even debatable.


It's easy to look at the final score and say they msised 2 easy FGs BUT it was 17-7 and the Jets went into prevent mode, if it is 17-10 or 17-13 they don't and when we werne't in prevent our D dominated SD all game long.

I disagree. You can look at it how you like, but the fact is the Jets won that game based on SD mistakes /bad fortune.

His arm was going forward, it was a borerline call that could easily have gone either way. if they called it incomplete on the field they never would have reversed it.

:lol: His arm was going forward, but the ball was not in his hands. Look at the film! It is indisputable.

Revis was right on him and made a great play on the ball, give the man some credit.

Rivers was blitzed and forced to throw early forcing jackson to alter his route but revis was right there w/ him and his arm knocking Jackson's arm had everything to do w/ why he didn't catch it. a GREAT play.

I gave Revis credit for pulling on Jackson's arm causing him to drop the ball, but the part where it bounced off his foot and landed in his lap was clearly a stroke of luck. Listen to the commentators on the film, even they say how lucky of a play it was.


If we have kris Jenkins, Jim Leonhard, a healthy damien Woody things could have been different too. In '09 if we didn't lose Jenkins, Leon, the DBs, Shon Greene,... It's part of the game. Indy didn't have them and they lost.

We were in cotnrol of the '09 title game until we lost a couple of DBs(you think you need DBs when facing manning?) we had the lead at halftime when Greene went down. That was a HUGE loss.

The Jets are not on the same level as a healthy Colts team. I don't think the loss of Shepard, Strickland, and Green were as big as you are making it out to be. Outside of Green, those guys are not exactly all pro. I don't care if you had Cromartie in 09, the Jets were not going to beat that team.


Yeah IF SD beats us and IF NE neats us we don't make the title games and we aren't elite but we DID beat those teams. I can say what iof Greene doesn't get hurt? what if that long pass at the end of the 1st half at Indy in the title game doesn't get completed(it was completed by an inch), what if we don't get stuffed at the 1 or they call the Sanchez play incomplete? There are what ifs in every game, we won some and lost others- all deserving. We can also play the what if game for the SB teams the last 2 years and all successful teams, it's silly to do so. The Jets clearly have been an elite team the last 2 years, now let's see if they can remain elite and final;ly break through to the SB.

It makes a BIG difference to me (With any other team besides the Dolphins:chuckle:) if a team wins a game, or if the other team loses the game or is at a competitive disadvantage. It helps me judge what type of team they really are. I hear all the time that the only reason the Dolphins won the division in 08 was becasue Brady was injured. Is that a fact, or is it an excuse? How about when Holmes dropped that easy TD against the Dolphins in the 2nd game last season. Is the corner that covered him any better or worse? Are the dolphins any better or worse because he dropped that pass? In the standings yes, but in reality, no.


The Jets did win those games, but only based on the other teams mistakes / bad fortunes. The Jets had nothing to due with SD missing those 2 easy field goals, or Indy being banged up, and are no better or worse becasue of it. SD would have won had they hit the field goals, and Indy would have won had they been healthy. Just becasue they did not / were not, does not make the Jets elite. Maybe they can become elite, but I will base that on how good they play, not on the mistakes / bad fortunes of the other teams.
 
Cincinnati was the division winner with only 10 wins. Both Pitt and Bal were 9-7. Much different than the records both teams had the year prior (Pitt 12-4) (Bal 11-5), and the year after (Pitt 12-4) (Bal 12-4)
Cincinnati was the worst team in the 09 playoffs, and it is not even debatable.




I disagree. You can look at it how you like, but the fact is the Jets won that game based on SD mistakes /bad fortune.



:lol: His arm was going forward, but the ball was not in his hands. Look at the film! It is indisputable.



I gave Revis credit for pulling on Jackson's arm causing him to drop the ball, but the part where it bounced off his foot and landed in his lap was clearly a stroke of luck. Listen to the commentators on the film, even they say how lucky of a play it was.




The Jets are not on the same level as a healthy Colts team. I don't think the loss of Shepard, Strickland, and Green were as big as you are making it out to be. Outside of Green, those guys are not exactly all pro. I don't care if you had Cromartie in 09, the Jets were not going to beat that team.




It makes a BIG difference to me (With any other team besides the Dolphins:chuckle:) if a team wins a game, or if the other team loses the game or is at a competitive disadvantage. It helps me judge what type of team they really are. I hear all the time that the only reason the Dolphins won the division in 08 was becasue Brady was injured. Is that a fact, or is it an excuse? How about when Holmes dropped that easy TD against the Dolphins in the 2nd game last season. Is the corner that covered him any better or worse? Are the dolphins any better or worse because he dropped that pass? In the standings yes, but in reality, no.


The Jets did win those games, but only based on the other teams mistakes / bad fortunes. The Jets had nothing to due with SD missing those 2 easy field goals, or Indy being banged up, and are no better or worse becasue of it. SD would have won had they hit the field goals, and Indy would have won had they been healthy. Just becasue they did not / were not, does not make the Jets elite. Maybe they can become elite, but I will base that on how good they play, not on the mistakes / bad fortunes of the other teams.

Cincy had 10, Bal & Pitt had 9 each. That's 28 wins among the top 3 teams in the division. last year the top 3 had 29, in '08 27. It's right in line, the reason Pitt and Bal only had 9 wins was b/c they got swept by Cincy. If each sweeps Cincy they both end up w/ 11.

The Jets won the game b/c they made big plays and they shut down a high powered offense.

His arm was already coming forward when the ball was knocked loose.

Sure it was a lucky bounce after a great play and it showed great concentration on revis' part and the part you are missing is that it was 3rd and long, they would have had to try a really long FG(giving us better FP if he missed) or punted, we would have gotten the ball back anyway in similar FP.

The jets are absolutely on the same level as a healthy Colts team, there isn't a team above the Jets. They are in the mix for the best team in the league.

The dolphins winning wasn't ONLY b/c Brady got hurt, that was factor #1 but us and Buf had the same chances and we blew it. Miami took advantage of the break, that is what good teams do.

The Jets won those games b/c they were the better team on those days, they made plays to win.

I can't buy injury excuses when our best playmker on O was hurt in 2009 and our dominant force at NT was not in. In 2010 our dominat NT was out again along w/ the QB of our defense. No excuses.
 
Cincy had 10, Bal & Pitt had 9 each. That's 28 wins among the top 3 teams in the division. last year the top 3 had 29, in '08 27. It's right in line, the reason Pitt and Bal only had 9 wins was b/c they got swept by Cincy. If each sweeps Cincy they both end up w/ 11.

When Cincy only wins 4 games last year and 4 games in 08, it kind of skews the numbers of the top 3 teams. The difference between a 12-4 team and a 9-7 team is significant. Pitt and Bal only had 9 wins and lost to Cincy twice because they were not as good. It was a down year for that division.

His arm was already coming forward when the ball was knocked loose.

:crazy: I doubt that you could find one person other than a Jets fan that would agree with that. Did you watch the clip again, or are you going from what you remember seeing in the game? The ball hits Ike Taylor's helmet and starts to come loose before his arm comes forward. I don't know how you can miss that.


Sure it was a lucky bounce after a great play and it showed great concentration on revis' part and the part you are missing is that it was 3rd and long, they would have had to try a really long FG(giving us better FP if he missed) or punted, we would have gotten the ball back anyway in similar FP.

They already showed that Kaeding had the leg for a 58 yard attempt, so whose to say he doesn't finally make 1 that is several yards closer. It was only a 3 point win for the Jets, and that play was a big turnover.


The jets are absolutely on the same level as a healthy Colts team, there isn't a team above the Jets. They are in the mix for the best team in the league.

The dolphins winning wasn't ONLY b/c Brady got hurt, that was factor #1 but us and Buf had the same chances and we blew it. Miami took advantage of the break, that is what good teams do.

The Jets won those games b/c they were the better team on those days, they made plays to win.

I can't buy injury excuses when our best playmker on O was hurt in 2009 and our dominant force at NT was not in. In 2010 our dominat NT was out again along w/ the QB of our defense. No excuses.

I didn't say that the Dolphins were not better than the Jets and Bills in 08 because they clearly were. Would they have won the division if the Patriots had Brady? Jets and Pats fans say no. Why is that? It is just an excuse right?

SD missing 2 easy field goals was factor #1 for the Jets winning that game, not the Jets being elite. That is not an excuse, it is a fact. The amount of injuries Indy had this past season was ridiculous.

WR1: Anthony Gonzalez (IR)
WR2: Austin Collie (IR)
TE1: Dallas Clark (IR)
CB1: Jerraud Powers (IR)
CB2: Kelvin Hayden (IR)
Safety1: Bob Sanders (IR)
Safety2: Melvin Bullitt (IR)


Those are just a few. Comparing those injuries to Jenkins who only played in 5 games in 2 years is silly. You also still had T. Jones (a 1400 yard rusher that year) when Greene got injured, so it was not like you didn't have a RB.

You are normally somewhat fair with your assessments, but The part I put in bold is way off. The Jets are a good team, and maybe they can become elite, but as of right now, they are not. There are several teams above the Jets.
 
I believe they are the exact same team,
but I do believe this years Miami team is flying under the radar, it all depend on the playmakers around henne whether to settle for a 3 yard gain or a 20 yard gain, they need to make plays like they're down by 20 points.
 
The Jets have been a better team the past 2 years.

Next question...
 
[QUOTEThe Jets are a good team, and maybe they can become elite, but as of right now, they are not. There are several teams above the Jets.[/QUOTE]

Just out of curiosity, who exactly are those several teams? Jets are top 4-5 easily.
 
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Just out of curiosity, who exactly are those several teams? Jets are top 4-5 easily.

Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Philly, Pats, and Saints are all better teams. I think SD, ATL, and Colts do better than the Jests as well. And Miami will finish higher... Just **** the Jets.
 
When Cincy only wins 4 games last year and 4 games in 08, it kind of skews the numbers of the top 3 teams. The difference between a 12-4 team and a 9-7 team is significant. Pitt and Bal only had 9 wins and lost to Cincy twice because they were not as good. It was a down year for that division.



:crazy: I doubt that you could find one person other than a Jets fan that would agree with that. Did you watch the clip again, or are you going from what you remember seeing in the game? The ball hits Ike Taylor's helmet and starts to come loose before his arm comes forward. I don't know how you can miss that.




They already showed that Kaeding had the leg for a 58 yard attempt, so whose to say he doesn't finally make 1 that is several yards closer. It was only a 3 point win for the Jets, and that play was a big turnover.




I didn't say that the Dolphins were not better than the Jets and Bills in 08 because they clearly were. Would they have won the division if the Patriots had Brady? Jets and Pats fans say no. Why is that? It is just an excuse right?

SD missing 2 easy field goals was factor #1 for the Jets winning that game, not the Jets being elite. That is not an excuse, it is a fact. The amount of injuries Indy had this past season was ridiculous.

WR1: Anthony Gonzalez (IR)
WR2: Austin Collie (IR)
TE1: Dallas Clark (IR)
CB1: Jerraud Powers (IR)
CB2: Kelvin Hayden (IR)
Safety1: Bob Sanders (IR)
Safety2: Melvin Bullitt (IR)


Those are just a few. Comparing those injuries to Jenkins who only played in 5 games in 2 years is silly. You also still had T. Jones (a 1400 yard rusher that year) when Greene got injured, so it was not like you didn't have a RB.

You are normally somewhat fair with your assessments, but The part I put in bold is way off. The Jets are a good team, and maybe they can become elite, but as of right now, they are not. There are several teams above the Jets.

This wasn't 2008 or 2010. Was Miami bad in 2008 b/c they won 1 game in 2007 and 7 in 2009? That's silly.

Pitt would have been in the playoffs(and using your logic they must have been good since they won the SB in '08 and made the SB in '10) if not for Cincy and Bal made the div rd.

It was an incredibly close play, if called incomplete on the field they wouldn't have overturned it. The point is plays are made, bad calls happen, bad plays happen. Good teams make fewer mistakes and overcome the few mistakes thye make.

Yes, the man who missed from 36 & 40 was going to hit from 58, the same guy who missed GW kicks against the Jets in '04 and NE in '06 in postseason?

There's no chance Miami wins in '08 if Brady plays, they won on a tiebreaker. It's safe to say NE would ahve won at least one more game if the best QB in the game played 16 games for them. That's not a knock on Miami, it is reality.

The only big losses from that bunch were Clark, Sanders(who is ALWAYS hurt so they should expect that) and Bullitt. They averaged 31 PPG the last 5 games and we held them to 16. No excuses.

Jenkins is a dominant player when healthy, Jones was banged up at the time too, Greene was carrying our ground game. In postseason '09 Greene averaged 5.6 YPC while Jones averaged 2.6- you don't think 3 yds per is much of a difference?

When you are the only team in the league to make the title game the last 2 years that makes you elite. Things change in a hurry, we could break through and make the SB OR we could struggle and go 6-10 but going into 2011 we are one of the elite teams based on what has been accomplished the last 2 seasons.
 
How about we just say the dolphins are the best team ever and will go 19-0 this year, isnt that what the homers on here want to hear? You guys really need to take off those homer glasses! You'd think the phins have won the last 3 superbowls reading this these posts
 
How about we just say the dolphins are the best team ever and will go 19-0 this year, isnt that what the homers on here want to hear? You guys really need to take off those homer glasses! You'd think the phins have won the last 3 superbowls reading this these posts

You would think the Jets have too and that is the point of the debate. In 09 the Jets were 7-7 and needed help to get in. Yes in 2010 they earned the spot but they almost lost it going 2-3 down the stretch, the Jets hardly coasted into the playoffs in 2010 and while every team needs to catch breaks during the season in terms of luck and injury, the Jets were 2 OT wins away from going 9-7 and some really close games from being even worse. You can make the case that if Miami caught some breaks they would have been 9-7 as well (blown call and 4 points more).

The Jets are not that different from Miami, the luck factor has been on the Jets side and that is the case for most successful teams, they catch some breaks during the season to help them along the way, a ball bounces off a foot, a call goes their way, an interception dropped.

It is was it is but one thing is certain the Jets better come to play this season when they line up against the Fins, records and talent seem to go out the window when the two teams play.
 
You would think the Jets have too and that is the point of the debate. In 09 the Jets were 7-7 and needed help to get in. Yes in 2010 they earned the spot but they almost lost it going 2-3 down the stretch, the Jets hardly coasted into the playoffs in 2010 and while every team needs to catch breaks during the season in terms of luck and injury, the Jets were 2 OT wins away from going 9-7 and some really close games from being even worse. You can make the case that if Miami caught some breaks they would have been 9-7 as well (blown call and 4 points more).

The Jets are not that different from Miami, the luck factor has been on the Jets side and that is the case for most successful teams, they catch some breaks during the season to help them along the way, a ball bounces off a foot, a call goes their way, an interception dropped.

It is was it is but one thing is certain the Jets better come to play this season when they line up against the Fins, records and talent seem to go out the window when the two teams play.

We earned the spot in '09 too then proved we belonged once in postseason. teams get breaks, good ones take advantage and we did that.

In '10 we clinched in week 16 so how did we almost lose it?

We were 2 OT wins from '9-7 and 2 dropped Tds by Holmes from 13-3- what is the point?

Theree is a difference, one has been on the doorstep of the SB thr last 2 years and the other hasn't even been a playoff contender- that's a pretty big difference, right?
 
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