What's so great about Philbin?

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

the reference to an abusive relationship was analogy. Meaning staying the course doesn't necessarily lead to success either. Well you'll get your 3 years at least. But this isn't college.

The college reference was a analogy too. Its a basic barometer of how to judge a coach, at every level. Or you can be the CLE Browns and fire someone after 1 season. And wonder why certain coaches are pulling away from your franchise.

And I'm not getting my 3 years. Philbin is getting his 3 years. Something, I think he deserves. You don't draft a young raw QB and say win a playoff game year 2 with said QB. You develop the kid and put your system in. This team was built on a smash mouth system prior to Philbins arrival. Are you telling me to switch from that type of philosophy to a more finesse pass happy offense is a 2 year project with a young QB? I don't.

 

[truedolfan57]

that's the other thing, the players had said they didn't like sherman...if there was an issue with philbin, don't you think the players would have said the same thing about philbin? i'm betting Ross has talked to the players, to see their thoughts on the coach. if the players still believe in philbin, then that's all that matters.

 

[andyahs]

And if Ireland's such a horrible drafter and FA signer, how can we say Philbin cant coach if he doesnt have good players? It seems to me, it cant be both. So which is it?


And the buffalo game. I fault the Oline completely. We couldnt do anything in the trenches in either game. Coaching wouldnt have mattered.

The players are to blame in general. How do you play so flat with the playoffs on the line?

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[DolfanDuBbZ~]

And if Ireland's such a horrible drafter and FA signer, how can we say Philbin cant coach if he doesnt have good players? It seems to me, it cant be both. So which is it?


And the buffalo game. I fault the Oline completely. We couldnt do anything in the trenches in either game. Coaching wouldnt have mattered.

This is the double speak I speak of. And the people doing it, can't see it.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

I agree, and we don't know if the new GM will have that say. IMO, it can work either way but only if the new GM and Philbin are on the same page. If the new GM wants to fire Philbin, knows he can't and accepts the job anyway, it won't work.

If the new GM doesn't feel it is necessary, then Philbin can stay and it may still work.

I don't want a GM that insists he must pick his own coach regardless of whether the HC is a problem. We don't need change for the sake of change.



Sherman had to go. The players had lost faith in him. So had the fan base.



This is true. Given his demeanor, I think he needs an OC that will light a fire under players.

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Then why did you post a lengthy tirade about Tannehill?

Just answering peoples questions and comments to me. Personally I like Tannehill. I just won't hang my hat on him.

Most people get excited about numbers. I want a QB to deliver wins. Take us to the next level. In doing so the numbers will come and everyone will be happy.

But to happy about numbers we may as well have Jay Culter who just ripped the Bears a new one on his big contract. Whats the argument everyone uses? "What has he won?"

So I'm not saying get rid of Tannehill. I'm saying lets see more.

When I see Luck, RGIII, Kaepernick, Wilson and Dalton all lead their teams to the post season, I believe we should all hold Tannehill to that standard as well.

Next year it's the playoffs or bust. No excuses. By the end of next year we'll know what we've got in him, and in Philbin.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

The players are to blame in general. How do you play so flat with the playoffs on the line?

Sent from my Nexus 7 FHD

I personally think, the Bills are a match up nitemare for MIA. To me its no different than the early 90s, and Marino/Shula being ass tagged by BUF on a yearly basis. Both teams then were quite better, but the match up was never a good one. BUF is a team with in the division that is built to cause problems. It just so happens that right now, they own the fronts on both sides of the ball.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

The college reference was a analogy too. Its a basic barometer of how to judge a coach, at every level. Or you can be the CLE Browns and fire someone after 1 season. And wonder why certain coaches are pulling away from your franchise.

And I'm not getting my 3 years. Philbin is getting his 3 years. Something, I think he deserves. You don't draft a young raw QB and say win a playoff game year 2 with said QB. You develop the kid and put your system in. This team was built on a smash mouth system prior to Philbins arrival. Are you telling me to switch from that type of philosophy to a more finesse pass happy offense is a 2 year project with a young QB? I don't.

Persoanlly, with Tannehill college experience, I was hoping Gerrard stayed healthy to Tannehill could've developed like Rodgers.

As for offensive philosophy, that's why Philbin was brought in, That's what he promised Ross and Phin Nation. It's his job to coach the talent to those results. While we were all drinking the juice through the first 4 weeks of the season, the fairy tale ended. So is it possible? Yes, the team itself proved it. it simply didn't sustain it. It is possible, Yes it is.

Our biggest let down was the Oline. I think the game is won in the trenches. Improve that we run the ball, we protect, we likely win 2 more games.

Incidentally, Philbin cut his teeth as an Oline coach. As did Sparano. Should we be surprised we're getting the same results. Ironic.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Just answering peoples questions and comments to me. Personally I like Tannehill. I just won't hang my hat on him.

Most people get excited about numbers. I want a QB to deliver wins. Take us to the next level. In doing so the numbers will come and everyone will be happy.

But to happy about numbers we may as well have Jay Culter who just ripped the Bears a new one on his big contract. Whats the argument everyone uses? "What has he won?"

So I'm not saying get rid of Tannehill. I'm saying lets see more.

When I see Luck, RGIII, Kaepernick, Wilson and Dalton all lead their teams to the post season, I believe we should all hold Tannehill to that standard as well.

Next year it's the playoffs or bust. No excuses. By the end of next year we'll know what we've got in him, and in Philbin.

And that is basically my argument. You are talking to someone, who didn't want Tannehill at #8. I thought that was too high for such a young raw QB, who along with Sherman, failed big time while at TAM. But once drafted, I said I would give him the time to mature and develop. I also was one of the few here, that said he must start day one game one. And I got blow back for that. I said then, that you need to learn by year 3 what you have. You don't want to be the NYJ and invest so much into such little talent at the QB spot. We here at FH seen Sanchez for what he was early on. But not that Jet fan base, they loved their wins. But once that OL got old and moved on....**** hit the fan.

 

[finfanaz]

All I can say is that the people in Philbin's corner are looking at the big picture and have a long term plan. Most fans can't see past next week, let alone identify good coaching candidates and then try to give them the necessary resources to reach their potential. I'm not saying Philbin is great - the jury is still out on him - but with the stories coming out about how he identified problems on the team, and the abrasive GM refused to address them, this guy deserves to have a shot. With a new OC and new GM, this guy has a pretty good chance to prove some people wrong.

Well said Zounds.

I'll add that Tanne progressed in year two despite playing behind the worst OLine in the NFL. And this team is a 10-6 team with even a middle of the road OLine. A lot of posters would be singing a different tune if that were the case.

I can't put the fact that we had an abhorred OLine and poor play at LB totally on Philbins head. He doesn't escape any blame at all, he is the HC afterall, but the brunt of that blame should go to Ireland... He prepares our players well, our trainings are always lauded as precise with little wasted time, we have a low amount of penalties weekly, high % on challenges. The players have always spoken highly of him and at no point did has it looked like they have bought out of what he is saying. You can say what you want about the last two weeks, our OLine was exposed by two top flight DLines and it hurt. These qualities make him a good HC, especially for all the young guys we have. After that, it's all personnel. This is a players league after all. In the end you have to have talent, especially when it comes to protecting your QB.

I'm not going to sit here and say he's already a great HC but I think we've progressed despite some terrible personnel groups.

Anyway, I'm not looking to convince anyone. It seems the non-Philbin supporters are firm in their stance. I just hope this doesn't divulge into a year round anti-Philbin circlejerk. Not much fun around here when there's constant negativity. He more than likely isn't going anywhere. So, going to have to deal with it.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Persoanlly, with Tannehill college experience, I was hoping Gerrard stayed healthy to Tannehill could've developed like Rodgers.

As for offensive philosophy, that's why Philbin was brought in, That's what he promised Ross and Phin Nation. It's his job to coach the talent to those results. While we were all drinking the juice through the first 4 weeks of the season, the fairy tale ended. So is it possible? Yes, the team itself proved it. it simply didn't sustain it. It is possible, Yes it is.

Our biggest let down was the Oline. I think the game is won in the trenches. Improve that we run the ball, we protect, we likely win 2 more games.

Incidentally, Philbin cut his teeth as an Oline coach. As did Sparano. Should we be surprised we're getting the same results. Ironic.

Well the reports coming out of Davie point to the Coach wanting more at LT and was denied. I wasn't there, so I don't know. With firings, you will always have these leaks that try to make one side look better than the other.

Side note: While Alberts would have been a upgrade, he isn't worth what he thinks he is worth. His upcoming contract will be stupid.

 

[psfign]

Persoanlly, with Tannehill college experience, I was hoping Gerrard stayed healthy to Tannehill could've developed like Rodgers.

As for offensive philosophy, that's why Philbin was brought in, That's what he promised Ross and Phin Nation. It's his job to coach the talent to those results. While we were all drinking the juice through the first 4 weeks of the season, the fairy tale ended. So is it possible? Yes, the team itself proved it. it simply didn't sustain it. It is possible, Yes it is.

Our biggest let down was the Oline. I think the game is won in the trenches. Improve that we run the ball, we protect, we likely win 2 more games.

Incidentally, Philbin cut his teeth as an Oline coach. As did Sparano. Should we be surprised we're getting the same results. Ironic.

But it's been said that Philbin didnt want Martin at LT, he wanted Albert and Ireland overuled him.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Well said Zounds.

I'll add that Tanne progressed in year two despite playing behind the worst OLine in the NFL. And this team is a 10-6 team with even a middle of the road OLine. A lot of posters would be singing a different tune if that were the case.

I can't put the fact that we had an abhorred OLine and poor play at LB totally on Philbins head. He doesn't escape any blame at all, he is the HC afterall, but the brunt of that blame should go to Ireland... He prepares our players well, our trainings are always lauded as precise with little wasted time, we have a low amount of penalties weekly, high % on challenges. The players have always spoken highly of him and at no point did has it looked like they have bought out of what he is saying. You can say what you want about the last two weeks, our OLine was exposed by two top flight DLines and it hurt. These qualities make him a good HC, especially for all the young guys we have. After that, it's all personnel. This is a players league after all. In the end you have to have talent, especially when it comes to protecting your QB.

I'm not going to sit here and say he's already a great HC but I think we've progressed despite some terrible personnel groups.

Anyway, I'm not looking to convince anyone. It seems the non-Philbin supporters are firm in their stance. I just hope this doesn't divulge into a year round anti-Philbin circlejerk. Not much fun around here when there's constant negativity. He more than likely isn't going anywhere. So, going to have to deal with it.

Its already here, the echo chamber wants change and they want their change. The Failbin moniker on FH has already taken root by the bobbleheads. And will lead to more of the same from this fan base and this website.

Do you see Hayden stopping his weekly assault on Philbin changing? I don't. Some here remain butthurt and will not be happy until they get their change.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

And that is basically my argument. You are talking to someone, who didn't want Tannehill at #8. I thought that was too high for such a young raw QB, who along with Sherman, failed big time while at TAM. But once drafted, I said I would give him the time to mature and develop. I also was one of the few here, that said he must start day one game one. And I got blow back for that. I said then, that you need to learn by year 3 what you have. You don't want to be the NYJ and invest so much into such little talent at the QB spot. We here at FH seen Sanchez for what he was early on. But not that Jet fan base, they loved their wins. But once that OL got old and moved on....**** hit the fan.

I actually was okay with the pick. I think Tannehill career so far as been too hinged on Sherman. My comments in general happens to be about Tannehill. Or it could be about any QB we drafted or started. I think he's do better even next year. But it's the make or break year for him. We'll know what Ryan will be by this time next year.

Okay.. sorry got to get back to work. Thanks for the discussion!

 

[finfanaz]

But it's been said that Philbin didnt want Martin at LT, he wanted Albert and Ireland overuled him.

Hope that's true. Never know for sure though...

I'll say this though, our team would've preformed a lot better with a great vet LT like Albert.

 

[finfanaz]

Its already here, the echo chamber wants change and they want their change. The Failbin moniker on FH has already taken root by the bobbleheads. And will lead to more of the same from this fan base and this website.

Do you see Hayden stopping his weekly assault on Philbin changing? I don't. Some here remain butthurt and will not be happy until they get their change.

You're probably right. Unfortunate...