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What's so great about Philbin?

roy_miami said:
I think this may turn out to be a problem for Philbin.

I've had a long standing theory that stupid coaching decisions undermine a football team. Not all players have rocks for brains so when they see a coach do something stupid it takes some of the wind out of their sails, even if its just a little its probably enough to ensure the team will fail. Andy Reid with his terrible clock management against the Colts has probably doomed that team until he's gone now for instance.

I've had an epiphany this week after a season of arguing strategy with the feeble minded, I think Philbin might have the same problem with his team being undermined by stupidity but for the exact opposite reason. I hope I'm wrong but he's probably just too progressive for the average football player.

All,

When the first man claimed the earth was round for the first time, do you think he was considered a genius by his peers or a moron?
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This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Except Philbin's coaches make stupid decisions.
 
I think Joe has some redeeming qualities for setting up an elite team. I like his plan, of a west-coast passing offense. Our red-zone efficiency went up big-time from the past coaching regime.

His obvious issues, to me, are:
way too hands-off in just about everything
not utilizing his QB's strengths, and covering his weaknesses
not getting guys fired up enough, or challenging his players and staff mid-game to perform better

That being said, he's also had a lot of external issues working against him:
Sherman, who he had plenty of faith and respect in as his mentor, but clearly underperformed.
Coyle not getting enough out of Ellerbe and Wheeler to diagnose and stop the run.
Ireland blowing up the LB spot, not addressing the OL, and overpaying for Wallace who's not a superb fit.

TL;DR:
Joe would be a formidable head coach if he has a premiere staff already in place. Without that though, he doesn't seem to have the prerogative to constantly upgrade the team from his own command. He relies too much on others, and expects a lot from his players as he stands by idly.
If he continues to be hands-off, then I think it's nail in the coffin for him. Honestly, it almost seems like he's back in Green Bay still. Gives the game-plan for the team, rest of the team is handled by others, and he just stands by giving small advice here and there. That just doesn't work for a HC in the NFL unless you're Belicheck or like Jon Harbaugh who has/had tons of talented players, coordinators, and hardworking GM's and owners.
 
Not much of a difference between him and the fist pump guru. Both were o-line coaches who when elevated to the top job failed to have even average o-lines. Both have fired o-coordinators to save their hides. Both have/will be fired the next season. The betting is now on whether Joe Spock makes it through the regular season. I say he goes to the gallows between week 11 and 13.
 
Canadianfishfan said:
You guys are all talking about how a 1 game improvement is something we should all be happy about.

Over achievement? ****ing monumental collapse. Lack of leadership. Lack of putting players in a position to succeed. Lack of motivating this team to win one ****ing game to change the fortunes of this franchise.

All the **** we're going through today isn't signs of progression.

Unless you've grown so accustomed to mediocrity, you hang your hat on the teeniest bit of change.

We're not in the playoffs. We could've have been. But this team clearly regressed when all the chips on the table. Who cars about beating NE when you stink vs Buffalo and NYJ.

You play to WIN.. Period. You play to get into the playoffs and win championships.

No, one more game means nothing. Means just the same **** different day.
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whoa, calm down there. No one is saying they are happy. I just don't see Tannehill regressing. I think he's one of the bright spots on this team. And i don't think getting a new GM and OC is a "teeniest bit of change". Pretty big change.
 
roy_miami said:
I think this may turn out to be a problem for Philbin.

I've had a long standing theory that stupid coaching decisions undermine a football team. Not all players have rocks for brains so when they see a coach do something stupid it takes some of the wind out of their sails, even if its just a little its probably enough to ensure the team will fail. Andy Reid with his terrible clock management against the Colts has probably doomed that team until he's gone now for instance.

I've had an epiphany this week after a season of arguing strategy with the feeble minded, I think Philbin might have the same problem with his team being undermined by stupidity but for the exact opposite reason. I hope I'm wrong but he's probably just too progressive for the average football player.

All,

When the first man claimed the earth was round for the first time -- do you think he was considered a genius by his peers or a moron?
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In what ways do you see him being too progressive?
 
Nighthawk said:
Not much of a difference between him and the fist pump guru. Both were o-line coaches who when elevated to the top job failed to have even average o-lines. Both have fired o-coordinators to save their hides. Both have/will be fired the next season. The betting is now on whether Joe Spock makes it through the regular season. I say he goes to the gallows between week 11 and 13.
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I'm game, how much do you want to bet on that?
 
Joe isn't going anywhere....that has been made pretty obvious by now, so it might be time to move on.

When I look at the last two games of the season, all positions including Tannehill were a disappointment. When I look at the season as a whole, I don't see Tannehill regressing....in fact, I see the opposite, I think he progressed this year. Our lack of a running game and o-line issues were extreme and difficult to overcome, yet we were still in a position to finish 10-6 with two weeks left to go. We all know that didn't happen, but for the same reason everyone is blaming Philbin for the last two weeks, you also have to give credit for the first 14 games.

Also, it appears that Ross has confidence in Philbin and feels he is the right guy for the job.

For those pointing to Philbin saying that Sherman was a good coach.......I'm not exactly what you expected him to say as Sherman is heading out the door? I respect the fact that Philbin didn't blame Sherman or criticize him in anyway during the season or after he was fired......that is how leaders are supposed to act. Who knows what the conversations were behind closed doors.......but Philbin isn't the kind of guy that is going to share anything publically.
 
dolphinswin said:
guy is a complete moron and just has no clue, thinks Sherman is a great coach says it all. He is out of touch has no intensity just a statue on the sidline, get rid of this bum
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This is completely unfair to Philbin. When have you ever heard a coach call his OC/former OC a worthless piece of **** who sucks at this job at any point in his career?
 
dolphinswin said:
guy is a complete moron and just has no clue, thinks Sherman is a great coach says it all. He is out of touch has no intensity just a statue on the sidline, get rid of this bum
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And the correlation between "head coaches' sideline intensity" and winning is?
 
truedolfan57 said:
whoa, calm down there. No one is saying they are happy. I just don't see Tannehill regressing. I think he's one of the bright spots on this team. And i don't think getting a new GM and OC is a "teeniest bit of change". Pretty big change.
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What people here are advocating to a degree is the coaching carousel that Alex Smith endured. They want to change every few years until they get the guy THEY want.

This is why I'm all in for Philbin. If you want this franchise to succeed, you have to hope his work with Tannehill produces results.

As for alot of other posters here. They damn Ireland for over paying Wallace, but would of been the first to damn him for not bringing in 'splash' FAs. Ireland had his faults, but with this fan base, no one will ever meet expectations here. To many fair weather fans and die hards living out the glory years of the 70s.

And if you look at a lot of the talk here. There is some double speak going on.
 
I am not against Philbin - Because I get it that the Dolphins last 2 consecutive seasons of FAIL under his head coaching was maybe due to many extenuating circumstances.

Nor am I a big supporter because 7-9 sucks as bad as 8-8! Those records are completely unacceptable!

I would be fine keeping him if he showed Dolphin fans (me) something big, impressive, meaningful...Like Shula letting Strock come in the game when Woodley was stinking it up. Or getting a player like Crash Jensen to play 14 different positions well enough to make the highlight reel.
Or drafting a Dan Marino. Or refusing to allow the team to get punked by Buddy Ryan. Or radically changing his schemes to fit his talent.

But honestly I have seen nothing - Two years is enough to see.

And I am not into the automatic canning of Philbin - but I am not at all into restricting our future trajectory because of his "plan".

The Dolphins are a FAIL!

Trust me - I live in Raven country and the media and the Ravens are calling this season a FAIL and they are mad as hell about it.

Philbin DOES NOT get the benefit of the doubt and DOES NOT deserve the position IF it truncates the possibility of a better opportunity!

Ross is a loser and will lose all if he does not understand that people like me CANNOT take it anymore!

We have talent, we have cap room and we have draft picks! Fix this F...ing thing NOW!
 
raving said:
Philbin DOES NOT get the benefit of the doubt and DOES NOT deserve the position IF it truncates the possibility of a better opportunity!
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How long would the new guy get the benefit of the doubt with you? It would seem silly to write a new guy off after just a season (to me anyway) and 2 seasons is too long for you so how long do coaches have to prove it or be fired if you were running things?

And more importantly, what coach worth his weight in salt would come to a team with the prerequisite he get in the playoffs by year 2 or be fired?
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
What people here are advocating to a degree is the coaching carousel that Alex Smith endured. They want to change every few years until they get the guy THEY want.

This is why I'm all in for Philbin. If you want this franchise to succeed, you have to hope his work with Tannehill produces results.

As for alot of other posters here. They damn Ireland for over paying Wallace, but would of been the first to damn him for not bringing in 'splash' FAs. Ireland had his faults, but with this fan base, no one will ever meet expectations here. To many fair weather fans and die hards living out the glory years of the 70s.

And if you look at a lot of the talk here. There is some double speak going on.
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Alex Smith is the beneficiary of that carousel. New Coach in KC and look how he's thriving.

I think for every argument there's a counter argument. There will always exceptions to the rule.

Of course all of us aren't employed by NFL teams so our opinions go so far.

Ireland had his faults. I actually thought he did a good job this year. Indeed when he got his extension many were happy.

Philbin though... tough. To me it boils down to the last 2 weeks of the season. You could just feel where things where headed. You could just feel the loses coming. Like a massive tornado raging towards your house and there is nothing you can do.

Philbin doesn't need to be a raging lunatic on the sideline like Sparano. He doesn't need to be the enforcer like Belichick.

He just needed to find a way to lift this team to a win. Through scheme, through adjustments, through motivation. I don't care how he does it, but that is the purpose of coaching.

Good assembled teams have players to execute the plays (on Ireland). Well coached teams put their players in the best position to make those plays (Philbin).

I don't see where these players will fight for Philbin. I think the players are taking on the attitude of this FO where everyone is looking out for themsevles.

You hear Patriot players talk about "the Patriot Way."

Does "the Dolphin Way" get us very excited right now?

There was a time (I'm dating myself) where not making the playoffs was a failure. That was the barometer.

Now it's an achievement instead of a step on the path to the real goal.

And that is disappointing.
 
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