What's so great about Philbin?

[Canadianfishfan]

Philbin is an average coach. As the team takes on the character of their coach... as will this team be average.

Regardless, I think the new GM will have to let Philbin ride out the next season, as he should, Philbin will have to make the playoffs or he'll be gone.

 

[SkapePhin]

Philbin is an average coach. As the team takes on the character of their coach... as will this team be average.

Regardless, I think the new GM will have to let Philbin ride out the next season, as he should, Philbin will have to make the playoffs or he'll be gone.

The problem is that the new GM will have no power to get rid of Philbin at all, only Ross does. That is the problem with this proposed talent structure. I don't trust Ross to make football decisions, and the decision to keep or fire a coach is the biggest decision of all. As long as Philbin manages an average record, he will stick around because Ross likes his "organizational skills".

I don't think Philbin is a championship coach.

 

[roy_miami]

The problem is that the new GM will have no power to get rid of Philbin at all, only Ross does. That is the problem with this proposed talent structure. I don't trust Ross to make football decisions, and the decision to keep or fire a coach is the biggest decision of all. As long as Philbin manages an average record, he will stick around because Ross likes his "organizational skills".

Thats pretty normal. And what makes Ireland qualified to judge the job the head coach is doing anyway? Its a conflict of interest for any GM to have that kind of power over the coach because of course the GM will say bad coaching is the reason for the teams deficiencies. Just like the coach will blame the GM.

They are (or at least they should be) equals in the power structure. If one has a lot more experience over the other then Ross would be well within his rights to trust that persons expertise if he so chooses but this idea that a GM must be a head coaches "boss" is wrong. I'm sure the GM has more sway in some cases and in other cases I'm sure the coach has more sway but people should give up on this idea that our team is being built the wrong way.

Ireland is the engineer/designer. Philbin is the driver. And Ross owns the car. If Ross wants to hire a new engineer and keep Philbin as his driver thats his prerogative, there is nothing right or wrong about it.

 

[SkapePhin]

Thats pretty normal. And what makes Ireland qualified to judge the job the head coach is doing anyway? Its a conflict of interest for any GM to have that kind of power over the coach because of course the GM will say bad coaching is the reason for the teams deficiencies. Just like the coach will blame the GM.

They are (or at least they should be) equals in the power structure. If one has a lot more experience over the other then Ross would be well within his rights to trust that persons expertise if he so chooses but this idea that a GM must be a head coaches "boss" is wrong. I'm sure the GM has more sway in some cases and in other cases I'm sure the coach has more sway but people should give up on this idea that our team is being built the wrong way.

Ireland is the engineer/designer. Philbin is the driver. And Ross owns the car. If Ross wants to hire a new engineer and keep Philbin as his driver thats his prerogative, there is nothing right or wrong about it.

The problem, that you aren't seeing, is that Ross is an absentee owner with 0 football knowledge. He isn't qualified to make calls on coaches or personnel guys. He needs a Czar type in the worst way so that there is true accountability and that Ross' own personal feelings don't taint the process.

The way it currently stands, Philbin will be Ireland redux, he will survive year after year on mediocrity simply because Ross doesn't know better and has taken a liking to him.

 

[roy_miami]

The problem, that you aren't seeing, is that Ross is an absentee owner with 0 football knowledge. He isn't qualified to make calls on coaches or personnel guys. He needs a Czar type in the worst way so that there is true accountability and that Ross' own personal feelings don't taint the process.
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Agree but I think he's getting plenty of advice from people behind the scenes. Personally, and this is just a theory, but I think Carl Peterson is basically running the team, he's just doing it from under the table.

 

[hammersmithlad]

I personally feel Philbin will end up being an ok/good coach in the NFL. However, I don't think he will be a great coach in the NFL. Given time he will steady the ship and get us an above average record but will struggle each time we make the playoffs, simply because he seems terrible at in-game adjustments, which in my view separates the good coaches from the elite ones.

A question to my fellow Phin fans is do you want a good coach or a great one? I really can't say or believe in years to come Philbin will be ranked alongside the Lombardi, Shula's or Harbaughs. So why is it we have to put up with an average coach, why not demand better, we've waited long enough.

 

[HoneyB]

I don't know what's so great about him. He interviews well, I'll give him that. He impressed the pants off of Ross, and he sounded great to me on tv. Big picture guy who is detail oriented.

But in retrospect, we really overlooked a lot. He's not really a leader, or a people person. He's a pencil pusher. But at the same time, you can be that and be accountable. What has he been accountable for, really, so far? He said the Incognito/Martin thing is not his fault and he didn't know. He said Ireland was apparently not getting him the players he wanted, otherwise he would have stood up for him. He had no problem firing Sherman, despite the nonsense reported in the media, because he agreed to fire him, period. Where does the buck stop?

Looking back at early, articles about him, there were red flags, things that didn't exactly fill you with confidence. In this article for example, which actually tries to sell Philbin's attributes, you don't find very many:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/s...ns-joe-philbin-didnt-call-plays-in-gre/nPs4Y/

Here's what I got out of that article:

1. In Green Bay, McCarthy called the plays, Philbin didn't.
2. In Green Bay, Philbin said he did the prep work, and talked to the offense in practice each day.
3. In Green Bay, Philbin said he did PowerPoint presentations, and was careful with grammar and spelling.
4. In Green Bay, Philbin split up his responsibilities with other staff, and went to a bunch of meetings.
5. In Green Bay, Philbin was up in the booth, not on the field.
6. In Green Bay, Philbin told McCarthy through his headset when to throw the red flag, and told him stuff about the defense so he could make the right calls on the field for the Green Bay offense.

None of that screams great offensive mind or great leader to me. And that stuff about the grammar in the powerpoint presentation and him being a stickler for certain unimportant things like that, make me understand why, in Miami, he's like that, too, picking up pieces of paper on the floor instead of guiding your players and earning their respect. Switching practice days, as if that's going to suddenly create more wins. Ridiculous.

This year, Philbin has a chance to prove himself. I do wish him all the success in the world...I want our fins to win! I just think that he's probably never going to be the main reason for the success of this ball club. It will be because of an OC, or the GM, or the players.

 

[roy_miami]

I personally feel Philbin will end up being an ok/good coach in the NFL. However, I don't think he will be a great coach in the NFL. Given time he will steady the ship and get us an above average record but will struggle each time we make the playoffs, simply because he seems terrible at in-game adjustments, which in my view separates the good coaches from the elite ones.

A question to my fellow Phin fans is do you want a good coach or a great one? I really can't say or believe in years to come Philbin will be ranked alongside the Lombardi, Shula's or Harbaughs. So why is it we have to put up with an average coach, why not demand better, we've waited long enough.

Tannehill will determine whether Philbin is a great coach or just an average coach. The thing people don't understand about halftime adjustments is if you're winning why would you change anything? The losing team has all the burden of making the necessary adjustments, it would be silly for the coach to say "great job guys, we're killing them. Now lets switch it up!!"

QBs that start slow and elevate their game in the late stages will make coaches look like great adjusters/motivators/finishers. QBs that start hot and choke in the fourth quarter will make their coaches look average -- think Mike Smith and Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons.

 

[hammersmithlad]

Tannehill will determine whether Philbin is a great coach or just an average coach. The thing people don't understand about halftime adjustments is if you're winning why would you change anything? The losing team has all the burden of making the necessary adjustments, it would be silly for the coach to say "great job guys, we're killing them. Now lets switch it up!!"

QBs that start slow and elevate their game in the late stages will make coaches look like great adjusters/motivators/finishers. QBs that start hot and choke in the fourth quarter will make their coaches look average -- think Mike Smith and Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons.

T-Hill will certainly play a part in Philbin's future, however, Philbin is the head coach of the Miami Dolphins and not an OC, so he also is in charge of his defense as well as his offense, so how the D plays next season with plenty of talented individuals will also be on him.

I wasn't specially talking about half-time adjustments, but more in game adjustments when things arn't going well or to plan. Someone Bellicheat always seem to have something up his sleeve when the chips are down, whilst Philbin so far hasn't shown to me that he can replicate this or at least get his co-ordinators to do this on his behalf. The motionless expression on the sidelines of the Tampa Bay game this season still haunt me.

 

[roy_miami]

T-Hill will certainly play a part in Philbin's future, however, Philbin is the head coach of the Miami Dolphins and not an OC, so he also is in charge of his defense as well as his offense, so how the D plays next season with plenty of talented individuals will also be on him.

I wasn't specially talking about half-time adjustments, but more in game adjustments when things arn't going well or to plan. Someone Bellicheat always seem to have something up his sleeve when the chips are down, whilst Philbin so far hasn't shown to me that he can replicate this or at least get his co-ordinators to do this on his behalf. The motionless expression on the sidelines of the Tampa Bay game this season still haunt me.

Yes Philbin is definitely a system guy vs an exploitative type like Belichick. This is why Philbin is not liked as a head coach around here imo, the exploitative guy is sexy, you can see the juking and jiving and the creativity with your own eyes. The system guy is no less creative though and a system can be just as effective. And an unexploitable system is unbeatable, so theoretically, the system guy could be closer to perfection than the exploitative guy.

I don't watch college football besides the National Championship game but it seems clear everybody is enamored with Gus Malzhan because of his adjustments and gameplanning. But, if Jimbo Fisher has an unbeatable system, rather than just much more talent, then Jimbo Fisher didn't get out-coached as many are claiming, he IS the better coach. Just not the sexy one.

 

[psfign]

I don't know what's so great about him. He interviews well, I'll give him that. He impressed the pants off of Ross, and he sounded great to me on tv. Big picture guy who is detail oriented.

But in retrospect, we really overlooked a lot. He's not really a leader, or a people person. He's a pencil pusher. But at the same time, you can be that and be accountable. What has he been accountable for, really, so far? He said the Incognito/Martin thing is not his fault and he didn't know. He said Ireland was apparently not getting him the players he wanted, otherwise he would have stood up for him. He had no problem firing Sherman, despite the nonsense reported in the media, because he agreed to fire him, period. Where does the buck stop?

Looking back at early, articles about him, there were red flags, things that didn't exactly fill you with confidence. In this article for example, which actually tries to sell Philbin's attributes, you don't find very many:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/s...ns-joe-philbin-didnt-call-plays-in-gre/nPs4Y/

Here's what I got out of that article:

1. In Green Bay, McCarthy called the plays, Philbin didn't.
2. In Green Bay, Philbin said he did the prep work, and talked to the offense in practice each day.
3. In Green Bay, Philbin said he did PowerPoint presentations, and was careful with grammar and spelling.
4. In Green Bay, Philbin split up his responsibilities with other staff, and went to a bunch of meetings.
5. In Green Bay, Philbin was up in the booth, not on the field.
6. In Green Bay, Philbin told McCarthy through his headset when to throw the red flag, and told him stuff about the defense so he could make the right calls on the field for the Green Bay offense.

None of that screams great offensive mind or great leader to me. And that stuff about the grammar in the powerpoint presentation and him being a stickler for certain unimportant things like that, make me understand why, in Miami, he's like that, too, picking up pieces of paper on the floor instead of guiding your players and earning their respect. Switching practice days, as if that's going to suddenly create more wins. Ridiculous.

This year, Philbin has a chance to prove himself. I do wish him all the success in the world...I want our fins to win! I just think that he's probably never going to be the main reason for the success of this ball club. It will be because of an OC, or the GM, or the players.

Not one single thing you said is based on any sort of reality.

 

[HoneyB]

Not one single thing you said is based on any sort of reality.

It's real, just not the reality you want.

The last two years weren't anything special. I'm happy to praise a person if they're deserving. I liked the hire very much, just from first impressions. But all Philbin has accomplished so far is an 8-8 season, dodging a major personnel crisis, and surviving a purge by Ross. That's all I see. If there's some other accomplishment I'm not aware of, please fill me in.

 

[NorFlaFin]

I think Philbin gets the big picture. A sorta CEO HC, hire assistant coordinators/coaches and let them coach.
Concentrate on building his version of the entire team not just one part.

 

[DeathStar]

7 points in 2 games against 2 bad teams is awesome.

No wonder the mediocrity homers love Philbin.

 

[FinHopeful]

Sure we can get all caught up in the numbers, which is what everyone hangs their hat on.

The only stat I care about are wins.

The playoffs is the only barometer for me to a successful season.

Tannehill **** the bed in the final 2 games. So yeah, regression.

That is the only stat you should care about as a fan, but we are talking about the best thing for continuing to improve the team. I am fine if you want to vent, but I am looking for reasonable evaluation and content.