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Whole damn organization=pathetic and embarrassing
Who is to blame more, Stephen Ross, Jeff Ireland or Joe Philbin?
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Piecing together rosters over multiple years is always a little depressing for every team. But, the reality is that it includes hindsight and unrealistic cap numbers not to mention conflicting egos and systems. I would caution you about going down that road, because what we inevitably find there is really just a mirage.
Yes, Ireland accumulated a pretty good roster of talent. Similarly, Tampa Bay did as well. If you want to play that game in Miami, I would encourage you to also do it with the Bucs roster at a minimum to add a bit of perspective to the exercise. The realitiy is that Ireland was good at finding DL, DB, pass rushers and he was good at it in both the 34 and the 43. But, there were other areas where he was less successful and his only shot was to bring in an established veteran because he could not really spot talent very well. Ireland isn't the best or the worst, but those saying he stunk are under-selling it a bit IMHO.
Yes, Ireland accumulated a pretty good roster of talent. Similarly, Tampa Bay did as well. If you want to play that game in Miami, I would encourage you to also do it with the Bucs roster at a minimum to add a bit of perspective to the exercise. The realitiy is that Ireland was good at finding DL, DB, pass rushers and he was good at it in both the 34 and the 43. But, there were other areas where he was less successful and his only shot was to bring in an established veteran because he could not really spot talent very well. Ireland isn't the best or the worst, but those saying he stunk are under-selling it a bit IMHO.
All 3 have different responsibilities. All 3 failed massively at their responsibilities. Ross' responsibility is to place capable people in positions of power, so the failures of Ireland and Philbin are obviously an extension of his failures. Ireland was a failure on so many levels none of us have the time to count them all. Philbin's a failure because his role is to oversee the team and the enormous mess from the oline shenanigans reflects entirely on him. Ireland gave him an idiotically composed volatile mix of characters, but Philbin should have had a better grip on it and made changes before it escalated.
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Everyone:
Ross for his continuous blunders of running this franchise from the day he bought it (remember Jim Harbaugh). For his failure to clean house at the conclusion of this season.
Ireland: He picked the players
Philbin: He picked to coaches and the expectations for players in season and out.
Ross for his continuous blunders of running this franchise from the day he bought it (remember Jim Harbaugh). For his failure to clean house at the conclusion of this season.
Ireland: He picked the players
Philbin: He picked to coaches and the expectations for players in season and out.
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Are you kidding? Martin, Incognito, Jerry, Clabo, Ellerbe, Wheeler, Thomas....that just the bottom...the next level up pretty much sucks too...this roster has actually gotten worse since 2008.
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Every GM misses on just as many players as he hits on. Ireland's job as a GM, is to put players in place for his HC, OC & DC. I believe JI made a lot if mistakes 2013, but you have to look at that roster and state it was loaded with playoff competing talent.
You have to judge a GM by the players he brought in.
A HC by how he performed with the players at his disposal.
An owner by the success of his employees.
Ross is more to blame, followed by Philbin.
Mike McCoy got 9 wins with San Diego, one of them the last game vs. KC b/c Succop misses a field goal that would've ended the game. Why would you assume he'd win 10 with Miami?
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How is the Buffalo game on the coaching staff? What is Philbin supposed to do with having the ****tiest OL in team history? Run the ball more?
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That's a Fact Jack.
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Ummm…I don't know how about having the team actually motivated to play on the road with the playoffs on the line? How about actually adjusting to a corner blitz? How about knowing the Bills were going to pound the rock and do whatever was necessary to stop the run?
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SD got 9 wins, with a rookie WR, not the best O'line, no pass rush and ageing corners. Granted they had Philip Rivers but McCoy has to take some credit for his comeback year.
Also I do believe that that roster outplayed in OP is far better
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The problem with the Buffalo game wasn't the fact that we lost it, we are a mediocre warm weather team playing in poor conditions on the road with a young QB, we were slight dogs that game and rightfully so, but the problem was Tannehill got hurt which I believe caused the Jets loss also. So whoever is at fault for Tannehill getting hurt is also the one at fault for the 2 losses to finish the season. I believe if Tannehill had not gotten hurt at all we probably beat the Jets but the irony is if had he gotten hurt enough to not play week 17 we probably beat the Jets with Matt Moore also. The nagging knee injury (which I believe was as bad as Flacco's) was the worst case scenario for us. It was just ka.
What difference does all this make now? Our team is a mess and it has been for a long time.
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Wrote this a while ago
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They were/are all complicit in this mess of an organization. Ireland is gone, so forget him now. Philbin is an OBVIOUS hindrance to this team. But it all starts at the top. Ross is Mr. Magoo and his various missteps have really harmed this team.